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Last edited by rooster470; 10-12-2008 at 04:42 PM.
Yes once, at Scores LV.
Anyway, I appreciate your indignation. But you say tipping/sitting at the stage isn't the norm. I've never been to this club, so it sounds like there aren't any real seats around the stage. If that's the case I'm curious as to why you would insist on sitting at the stage if this is not how the club is set up? Or why even continue to visit the club if you prefer sitting at the stage. Aren't there other clubs in NYC where you can sit at the stage?
I understand they've let you sit at/or near the stage in the past, but if that's not the norm at this club, it was probably only a matter of time before you weren't allowed to do so.
At any rate, it sounds like you need a club that fits your style better.




Sounds like VIPS Chicago, a table is 40 bucks no matter how many are with you. I hated that shit. The guys then always felt that they didn't have to tip once they paid for the table.
But during day shift the tables were free, and the guys that did sit there...tipped.
Sucks that they did that to you.![]()
as damp as a cellar. . . all mildewy I'm as damp as a cellar. . . all mildewy
Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. At my club the fill the club from front to back. Why would the front seats be for bottle service? Don't they have a special area for that? Morons...
Sorry about this. Wish I could help you out with a new club, but I'm unfamiliar with the NYC clubs.
It's too bad Hustler has alienated a good customer. Personally, I've about had it with all this bottle service, VIP, ultra-lounge, grease my palm for a seat bullshit. I can understand setting aside a few seats for high-rollers, but these places want every working stiff, average Joe to tip a substantial amount for a seat.
At some point customers are going to say enough is enough; they aren't going to spend $20 or $40 to tip a shaved-head goon to walk a few feet and show them a table. It's absurd, even if you have the money to spend.
Good luck finding a new club. I'm sure there's a club in NYC that will suit your tastes.
This sucks, sorry to hear about that.
It seems most of the clubs in NYC are really grody and extras-filled and/or trying to be "exclusive" and pulling stunts like the one you just mentioned. If you DO find a decent club where you're treated well, see the dancers treated well and isn't skeezy, do share.
I don't plan on ever dancing in NYC again, but I like going to clubs as a customer sometimes.
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Ernest Hemingway on writer, aviation pioneer and horse trainer Beryl Markham





Wow. that's absolutely moronic... I'm so sorry this happened! Definitely the club's loss. I wish you luck in finding a club that treats its clientele with more dignity and respect.
I'm sorry they treated you like that!!
My club has bottle service tables, but they always allow people to sit there unless it's busy. If it's busy and someone without bottle service is sitting in the bottle service tables, they will relocate the non-bottle service custies and seat the higher paying/tipping custies.





I was going to say the same thing sophia. They are anal about those tables at vips. Maybe next time tip at least a twenty and say I want that table. Dont ask if you can sit there. Though they may be reserving them for larger parties.




My only experience with the reserved tables (this is before vips had bottle service) was just that they wanted the tips. And they knew they could get more out of customers if there were more than 1 to a table. really shady and I always felt it fucked us over.
I don't know about hustler but at my old work they did it not only the first row of tables but at least 2 rows back! You had to sit against the wall or out in left field if you didn't pay the 40 bucks. And the club isn't that big at all
as damp as a cellar. . . all mildewy I'm as damp as a cellar. . . all mildewy
Never been there and now I probably never will. No club that treats their customers like living breathing ATMs will ever earn a dime from me. I liked Rick's Caberet in Minneapolis when I visited and I know they opened one last year in the Time's Square area.





It's amazing how strip clubs even survive when so many are run by clueless mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging pre-reptilian fucktard douchbags like this.
Anyway, I'm very sorry to hear your story. I would say I'm surprised that these guys didn't recognize you as a regular, but that would presume actual frontal lobe neural firing.
To answer your question, no I've never left a club because management was a bunch of dicks. Management tends to be extremely good to me because I feed them peanuts.![]()
I understand having a few tables reserved for bottle service, but if they are demanding you can't sit within 50 feet of the mainstage unless you are having a party or buying out their Crystal collection, then it's time to have a personal word with the manager. The genius probably thinks that he's just being more "exclusive," while he's really just chasing money like yours right out the door.
Hustler has been trying desperately to become more upscale, and this is probably just their latest gimmick. They have a VIP black card program (I swear) where they actually have a little ceremony where they hand you a wrapped black box, complete with red ribbon, which contains the card. They say there is some minimum spend to get a card like this, but of course that's BS -- the whole thing is completely idiotic. But there is a number on the back you can call to get the manager's ass chewed out, I suppose.![]()
Look, you did the right thing. I feel badly for the dancers and on that basis I would have been in the manager's face, but nothing beats walking out with all your money.
Exclusive my ass.
Hmm, what are the alternate clubs in NYC?
Flashdancers, and their 2 chains (Private Eyes and NY Dolls)
PEC... please...is it worth it? Talk about high room prices. ANd how much % of that does the girl get? Be interested to know...
Lace chain, which I've never visited.
Rick's, no cover before certain times or at all if you have the "card" that they pass out everywhere. Drinks are $8 until 8o'clock. $10 lunch specials. And hot ass girls being hired as we speak. The rooms are not so badly priced, and the dancer gets most of that $$$, anyway. Inside can be cozyish, especially on a slower night: Sun, Mon, ex.
Um, OH I KNOW!!! Sin City in Bx, Rooster!![]()
Now THAT'S your type of place!
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What about Tens? How are they doing now? I remember it being nice inside, like, 2-3 years ago...
What do you think of those suggestions, Rooster?
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I'm sorry this happened to you, but please don't make the dancers pay for the bouncers actions. Would you stop coming to a club if just one dancer rubbed you the wrong way? Go back to Hustler. Give them another chance and understand that you're there to be entertained by the dancers, not to be given royal treatment by bouncers.
There are a few things I can point out to defend the actions of the bouncers. If you're a regular, how did you get free admission tickets? Staff treats people who pay thier way in with a lot more courtesy than people who always look for freebies, especially regulars. And there are seats by the stage, NOT for the stage. these seats can rotate in any direction, so they are NOT reserved for people who want to tip at the stage. If tables are for botttle service only, then respect their rule. It's thier club and you shouldn't tell them how to run it. Would you pitch a fit if they let you sit there after they told you thier rule, and then made you get up because a bottle reso showed up? Sounds like you would, so to avoid any drama, the bouncers thought it was better to just not let you sit down. Maybe they remember you arguing with the waitress about when you got up to go to the ATM and lost your seat. That's not cool. If you are allowed to sit, and you get up, leave your drink there and place a napkin over it, or just get your waitresses attention and let her know you will be back. Not everyone is watching your every move, so don't expect them to think you will be back... And handing $5 to the bouncer is not enough to pursuade them to seat you. Do you know how many whales walk in there handing hundreds to them? $5 is less than minimum wage, hardly enough for them to even consider you a VIP to be seated. I'm sorry, but you have to compete with custies too. You want to have fun in an upscale SC, you should tip like an upscale custie.
Hope you can come back and give us a shot again. I fly in next week to work there....
"Where there is love there is life"-Mahatma Gandhi
"Be The Best, F!ck The Rest"- P.P.
Perhaps copy n paste this whole thread and email it to HUSTLER. Post a link to this thread on various strip club conversation sites, TERB and the like, you surely arent the first to be disrespected and I dont think it was personal inasmuch as just asinine but you can put a dent in their bottom line by word of mouth...and reroute their traffic.
Just a thought.
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Rooster,
I'm sorry you took my suggestions on custie ettiquette as critism. You are angry and don't expect you too see any positive ways to change what happened to you around. Go to private eyes and all those other hole in the wall clubs, you're better off. Remember, you get what you pay for. Upscale clubs command upscale custies who are DRAMA FREE. You're asking for way too much on your small SC budget. The hole in the wall places will suit you best.
"Where there is love there is life"-Mahatma Gandhi
"Be The Best, F!ck The Rest"- P.P.
He's asking for too much? The man had $400 to spend, that's a fair amount. I would have been turned off by that too.
I really don't see the sense in setting up a club in a way that makes it virtually impossible to enjoy a stage show at the beginning, and tip for it. He was potentially a good customer and they drove him away.
omg, did he just say he is looking for a clean club? what a nice gentleman. Im sorry that happened what a bunch of jerks!! thats why i dont work at an upscale place anymore, becuz managers tend to be such assholes





If you are against FD because its is not a "clean" club and you think Hustler is, please allow me to tell you that you have nothing to worry about. Hustler isn't "clean" either.
I don't have enough fingers and toes combined to count the number of times I've been lain or blown at HC-NY. Same for PEC-NY. I hardly think I am alone in that regard. It is simply a matter of getting to FoM status and having the right $$$. No talent or special skills required.
If the fact that there is sex in the champagne room is your reason for avoiding a club in NYC there are very, very, few clubs you are going to feel OK about attending.
Just keeping it real, as they say.
Last edited by Golden_Rule; 07-21-2008 at 08:46 AM.
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?





Totally agreed.
Except for a visit with a friend from Florida a few weeks back, because he wanted to go, I haven't hit HC-NY or PEC-NY for awhile now.
My real problem with it is the truly plastic veneer. I just can't deal with the utter hypocrisy of it.
Its not that I am intolerant of sleaze. I just disdain it when it tries to pass itself off as something else. At this point in my life I prefer things that call themselves what they are and act accordingly. If its grotty, than god damn it be grotty. Own your grottiness.
Gentleman's Clubs. HA! What a concept. Like there is anything approaching a gentleman in the place. Myself included. If you throw raw ground chuck on a plate and sprinkle it with parsley that doesn't make it steak tartar.![]()
Give me a good, old fashioned, strip-club that isn't afraid to be precisely what it is every time.
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?





See, TOO knows the secret to FoM status. It's not like it's rocket science. I'd dare say he's gotten "special treatment" [which isn't all that special when anyone who wants it and knows how can have it] at HC-NY. {dopey grin}
Absolutely, and when they started with this meridra is when they lost me as a regular customer. As dopey as the Larry Flynt concept of life and how to live it is I truly appreciated Hustler Clubs more when they were less pretentious.Hustler has been trying desperately to become more upscale, and this is probably just their latest gimmick.
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?





You see, that isn't actually true at all.
When I was there a few weeks ago, as I said, it was with friends and there were six of us. Three of which had FoM status. I hadn't been there in awhile. When we came through the door it was, "Nice to see you gentleman tonight. Mr G_R! Nice to have you back.". We were comped in and shown to a table down front right next to the stage on a Friday night.
The reason for that is about what kind of money is spent AFTER we sit down at the table. It means nothing for a club to comp six of us in if they know the fact that we get comped keeps us coming back and running up $3k-$4k tabs. And $500 - $750 each isn't even all that much. Another small group of guys I use to go to PEC with regularly were good for about $1k minimum/each any time they showed up and it was frequently more. Even so some folks make it sound like you had to be an NBA star and drop $10K to get treated like that. You just had to be a REGULAR source of income at a specific level. After all whose worth more to the club, an NBA star who comes in once a year and drops $10K or a regular who comes in 20-30 times a year and drops $1-2K a pop?
Such is the way to FoM status and 'special treatment'.Comped in and discounts at Robert's was the norm. Being pointed toward specific new talent was a special perk.
It's simply good business. Lose a little up front to make much bigger bucks on the back end.
Like I said though, its not that this kind of money being thrown around is such a waste [no matter how much cash you have] that it offends me - though it does offend me - that's not the issue with me. It is that it leads to a level of ostentatious bull shit that sets my teeth to grinding. It's just not me. Though I don't begrude it to anyone whose into it. To each their own.
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Oh my. Thank you for the belly laugh. You truly made my day.![]()
{ah, that was good. I need to get back in my chair now}
There is more honesty in the old Dumbartons, as sleazy as it was, than in HC and PEC combined. It was what it was and didn't pretend to be other than what it was.
HC and PEC are as much bordellos as Dumbartons was. They simply pretend at being better with an "upscale" [ugh, what a word] veneer.
Last edited by Golden_Rule; 07-21-2008 at 09:34 AM.
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?
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