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    The last few weekend nights at my upstate NY club we've had these street prostitutes coming in to the club. They pay the cover as customers and then get up close to the stage and dance around and trying to hit on our customers and arrange for OTC meetings. They're generally very unattractive women. We all know who they are and what they do but nobody confronts them. I'm glad they're not working as dancers, and I do think they're making an intelligent business decision with this tactic, but I also think it's ridiculous and annoying and it makes the club look trashy. Does this happen anywhere else?
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    Most of the clubs out here won't allow women to come in unescorted by a man. That usually helps cut down on the prostitution. I've seen it happen only once at one of my clubs but I had no idea she was a whore until she left with a customer. I alerted a bouncer so they could keep an eye out for her if she dared to show up again.

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    Yeah, it happens. I fnd usually they try and work at the club rather than come in as custys but either way it stinks.

    The only time I have a personal problem with pros is if they are peddling their services in a stripclub. There is a time and place for that kind of thing and in the club is not it.
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    This is a huge reason why most SC's dont let unescorted women in. You should suggest that to management. Or call the cops on the prostitutes if you know for sure who they are and ask what you should do. They prob wont care honestly because in many cops eyes stripper and hooker are the same but its worth a shot.Just do it anonymously in case of backlash if the club finds out.

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    At my first club there was a night manager who would let these two pimps pay him to bring girls in as customers. He would bring in 3-4 girls and they would all sit at a table in their little skirts while the pimp would go around and point them out to the customers. Then after they left almost half the guys would follow. That is one reason why I left.

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    I've seen this before a few times. In my experiences, if the prositute acting like a customer, is talking to a real customer at the stage and distracting him, we would complain to management and get them kicked out because it was messing with our money. I have met a few cool women who have come in alone to strip clubs because they really just enjoyed the environment but really I don't think it should be allowed. Although down here, I have also met pimps who come in with their girls so not allowing nonescorted women might not always help.

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    It happens in my club. There's a girl who comes into my club and she acts really flamboyant and tips the girls, unbuttons her shirt and stuff and "makes friends" and eventually leaves with one of them. I've talked to her before and because of some of the things she says, I know that she's a prostitute--she doesn't just come out and say it, though. I also know of a pimp that regularly brings one of his girls in and she picks up her tricks there. It kinda pisses me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysteriousMisty View Post
    Most of the clubs out here won't allow women to come in unescorted by a man.
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    This is a huge reason why most SC's dont let unescorted women in. You should suggest that to management.
    That is discrimination; I doubt there are many places where it is legal to deny entry based on sex. I mean, it certainly isn't here. I'm always a little freaked that you guys are okay with this, since you are all women and all. I appreciate it is inconvenient sometimes when women come into the club but come on - would you like to be denied entrance to say, a 7-11 or an Appleby's because you were an unescorted woman? I think it is safe to say discrimination is bad. That said, the clubs around here have come up with something very simple; they id all the women, regardless of perceived age. Street workers don't tend to carry id (working the street up here is illegal). In addition, there are, in most clubs, already rules about customers keeping their clothes on, dancing around the bar, etc that they can just apply to women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    That is discrimination; I doubt there are many places where it is legal to deny entry based on sex. I mean, it certainly isn't here. I'm always a little freaked that you guys are okay with this, since you are all women and all. I appreciate it is inconvenient sometimes when women come into the club but come on - would you like to be denied entrance to say, a 7-11 or an Appleby's because you were an unescorted woman? I think it is safe to say discrimination is bad. That said, the clubs around here have come up with something very simple; they id all the women, regardless of perceived age. Street workers don't tend to carry id (working the street up here is illegal). In addition, there are, in most clubs, already rules about customers keeping their clothes on, dancing around the bar, etc that they can just apply to women.
    Its common here. Men arent allowed in male strip clubs either in many places(unless its a gay club). Men arent allowed in womens only gyms, etc...

    No I dont have a problem with it. Too many women coming in to cause trouble..either looking for their man(I've seen women come in and rip their bf out of the club beating his ass the whole way), protitutes coming in to get clients...it just isnt worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CKXXX View Post
    Its common here. Men arent allowed in male strip clubs either in many places(unless its a gay club). Men arent allowed in womens only gyms, etc...

    No I dont have a problem with it. Too many women coming in to cause trouble..either looking for their man(I've seen women come in and rip their bf out of the club beating his ass the whole way), protitutes coming in to get clients...it just isnt worth it.
    That is also discrimination. Gyms and spas are frequently considered a "hygiene" exception (the same reason you don't have to have coed bathrooms). No offence, CK, but I think you might be suffering small picture syndrome. Like I said - inconvenient. However, I'm not willing to set back the human rights movement in North America by 40 years because I'm annoyed that civilian chicks get attention in a strip club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    That is also discrimination. Gyms and spas are frequently considered a "hygiene" exception (the same reason you don't have to have coed bathrooms). No offence, CK, but I think you might be suffering small picture syndrome. Like I said - inconvenient. However, I'm not willing to set back the human rights movement in North America by 40 years because I'm annoyed that civilian chicks get attention in a strip club.
    It isnt just inconvenience though...it was causing violent problems in some places for awhile.

    A womens only gym was sued once for discrimination...the ruling was basically that a privately owned company can refuse the right to service from anyone they choose.

    Had it been a racial issue..I bet the outcome would have been different. But this is deemed ok.

    Just like a girl cant be a boy scout and vice versa. There are men/women only organizations everywhere. And in a SC..they dont say women CANT come in...just not unescorted.

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    ^^Actually, girls can be scouts now. They changed the rules.

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    At the club I am at now they do allow unescorted females in on certain days. Usually they come in groups. So the end result is female customers talking to other customers that they did not come into the club with. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it must be a duck. The prostitute then leaves with the custy. I have seen this happen soooo many times in my few years in the industry. Legally female custys coming in and soliciting customers places the club at higher risk for busts. Word travels fast via the internet many customers will go onto various websites saying that they found prostitutes at a club. Then vice will find this and come into the club and give dancers ( who are just dancing) tickets. But unfortunantly today most clubs will not throw these prostitutes out of the club. As long as they are buying drinks most managers do not care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKXXX View Post
    A womens only gym was sued once for discrimination...the ruling was basically that a privately owned company can refuse the right to service from anyone they choose.
    There are very few places that is true. It is not a private owned company, but a private club that is generally excluded from human rights legislation. And there is generally criteria on what constitutes a private club. I don't plan to look up every state's human rights code, but every province has legislation prohibiting discrimination from service vendors based on gender, and the majority of states do as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    That is discrimination; I doubt there are many places where it is legal to deny entry based on sex. I mean, it certainly isn't here. I'm always a little freaked that you guys are okay with this, since you are all women and all. I appreciate it is inconvenient sometimes when women come into the club but come on - would you like to be denied entrance to say, a 7-11 or an Appleby's because you were an unescorted woman? I think it is safe to say discrimination is bad. That said, the clubs around here have come up with something very simple; they id all the women, regardless of perceived age. Street workers don't tend to carry id (working the street up here is illegal). In addition, there are, in most clubs, already rules about customers keeping their clothes on, dancing around the bar, etc that they can just apply to women.
    Jenny, honestly, how many laws AREN'T discriminatory against women concerning strip club laws?

    It's supposed to be part of the law here that un-escorted women are not allowed into strip clubs due to prostitution loop holes, but apparently it's changed, since 50% of our weekend business is single college aged girls.

    I wish it would not have changed, I miss when SC's were dirty "boy's only" kinda places. I didn't have to worry about male custys being turn off by me due to some bitter jaded drunk cunt pointing out all my flaws to the bar, and screaming how I was a whore; yet she's the one that's practically fucking a guy for a $5 shot.
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    This is why I really believe Gentleman's clubs should ALL follow the rule that you have to be escorted by a man to get in.
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    JIt's supposed to be part of the law here that un-escorted women are not allowed into strip clubs due to prostitution loop holes
    That law would have a hard time standing up up here, seeing as we have this idea that women are treated like equal citizens. Although I'm not sure I understand your first question. Regulating a business that is mostly populated by women is not discriminatory unless there is some reason to believe that it is being regulated restrictively because it is mostly populated by women. I'm talking about a business or vendor excluding women from its clientele. If you're comfortable with it in stripclubs consider how comfortable you'd be if you had to sit in a certain section at McDonalds, couldn't rent an apartment or enter a grocery store because the vendors preferred dealing with men exclusively and consider how you'd draw a principled difference.

    I wish it would not have changed, I miss when SC's were dirty "boy's only" kinda places. I didn't have to worry about male custys being turn off by me due to some bitter jaded drunk cunt pointing out all my flaws to the bar, and screaming how I was a whore; yet she's the one that's practically fucking a guy for a $5 shot.
    I'm not trying to say that it might not be more convenient for me, business wise, if civvie women weren't in the club. Just - like I said above - I'm not willing to dismantle 40 years of human rights laws based on my convenience. The club could, instead of discriminating against women at the door, simply enforce the same rules (or start enforcing rules) about fighting, shouting, yelling and insulting the dancers. Although - if I may point out - women being accompanied by a man will not stop, mitigate and alter the behaviours you outlined above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    That law would have a hard time standing up up here, seeing as we have this idea that women are treated like equal citizens. Although I'm not sure I understand your first question. Regulating a business that is mostly populated by women is not discriminatory unless there is some reason to believe that it is being regulated restrictively because it is mostly populated by women. I'm talking about a business or vendor excluding women from its clientele. If you're comfortable with it in stripclubs consider how comfortable you'd be if you had to sit in a certain section at McDonalds, couldn't rent an apartment or enter a grocery store because the vendors preferred dealing with men exclusively and consider how you'd draw a principled difference.
    What I meant was that pretty much ALL sex industry jobs are discriminatory against women. The general public could care less if ANY of us were found dead in a dumpster, and a good majority of them would say we deserve it; just cause we are lowly strippers. The laws don't back us up, they hurt us.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I'm not trying to say that it might not be more convenient for me, business wise, if civvie women weren't in the club. Just - like I said above - I'm not willing to dismantle 40 years of human rights laws based on my convenience. The club could, instead of discriminating against women at the door, simply enforce the same rules (or start enforcing rules) about fighting, shouting, yelling and insulting the dancers. Although - if I may point out - women being accompanied by a man will not stop, mitigate and alter the behaviours you outlined above.
    Naw, I think it would be severely decreased, since gaggles of them wouldn't come in at a time, and get their hackles up since there is some other girl getting attention from men and they aren't. A girl with her man isn't going to be as apt to blurt out that type of shit OVER the music to impress her man, like she would to impress her friends. Not to mention they come in wearing low cut tops w/no bra, and tiny skirts with/no panties and dance around and flash everyone and they are by the stage, which takes away from the girl ON stage. Why tip the stripper with a thong and pasties on, when you can grab/touch/lick/kiss the drunk chick with her twat hanging out?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana View Post
    What I meant was that pretty much ALL sex industry jobs are discriminatory against women. The general public could care less if ANY of us were found dead in a dumpster, and a good majority of them would say we deserve it; just cause we are lowly strippers. The laws don't back us up, they hurt us.
    I think you might be confusing discrimination law with public perception of strippers. The issue is not strippers, but women. The issue is not about whether strippers can enter a business premises but whether a woman can. Maybe you could help me understand your point by giving me an example?

    Why tip the stripper with a thong and pasties on, when you can grab/touch/lick/kiss the drunk chick with her twat hanging out?!
    I hear what you are saying. Although again I think this could effectively (and legally) addressed without discriminating against women by simply enforcing rules about covered genitalia, drunk behaviour, lewd behaviour and rude behaviour that are already applied to men; if the rules are not applied to men, maybe that is the problem and not women customers at all. Like I don't think we need special (and generally not-legal) "women can't come in here" rules to deal with what is essentially just an unruly customer. The original concern was over prostitution; again, I think there is a pretty effective way to at least discourage it by simply IDing the customers (it was once pointed out to me in a fairly embarrassing encounter that prostitutes working the street (or presumably the strip club) don't like to carry ID).
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    It isnt JUST about unruly women custies though. Most clubs ban it to keep hookers out(and really...how can you regulate two customers leaving with each other?) and to protect guys from their wives/girlfriends coming in and finding them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CKXXX View Post
    It isnt JUST about unruly women custies though. Most clubs ban it to keep hookers out(and really...how can you regulate two customers leaving with each other?) and to protect guys from their wives/girlfriends coming in and finding them.
    A) As I've said, multiple times, I think the foundation of anti-discrimination law trumps what is convenient for strippers, same as it trumps what is convenient for any other vendor or business.
    B) As I've mentioned, simply IDing customers can effectively discourage prostitution
    C) I don't care if girlfriends or wives find out, and the club already has rules regarding scenes and brawling in the club. If I'm not going to dismantle human rights anti-discrimination law because it's easier for me to make a sale, I'm certainly not going to do it so some guy's girlfriend won't find out how he spends his evenings.

    Honestly guys. I understand what you are saying. It is a more convenient and pleasant work environment for you if women are excluded. I get that. I even agree with it. I just think you aren't looking at the big, or even the medium sized picture. We are talking about waiving or killing anti-discrimination laws against women. You are women. You should be able to consider all the ways these lines of thought can and indeed have been used against you. Imagine applying for a promotion and being told that your boss prefers to deal exclusively with men - women are too catty for her taste. Imagine going into a grocery store and being told that you couldn't go in and buy without your boyfriend or husband - women take too long and always pay by interac instead of cash. Imagine being told that you had to leave your apartment because the superindendent didn't like the way all the men paid attention to you. When you go to a movie the ticket vendor says that you require an escort to keep you quiet because women talk during the picture. If you think there is a difference, explain to me what the principled difference is - not just "but this time it is inconvenient for me and not another vendor."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I think you might be confusing discrimination law with public perception of strippers. The issue is not strippers, but women. The issue is not about whether strippers can enter a business premises but whether a woman can. Maybe you could help me understand your point by giving me an example?
    If you get fingered (not of your own will, mind you) while being tipped, you tell a bouncer and guy gets kicked out, anywhere else in any other job, they guy would be arrested and thrown in jail for rape, or at least sexual assault. But if you try to call the cops @ work, they will try and talk you out of it, or tell you that you will be fired if you do. Not my club, mind you; but PLENTY I worked at before. And if you ARE at a club that is cool with police involvement, you will be lucky if the cops don't try and spin it to where it's YOUR fault, or try and pin you with a prostitution charge. I have seen it happen more than once.
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    Jenny I get what you are saying and I actually agree on principle. But These girls will bring ID with them to get in...they arent streetwalkers....and for all anyone knows,they just met someone in a bar and went home with them. The odds of being busted in that instance is pretty slim.

    And it isnt the brawling they are trying to stop. How many guys would stop coming in if they thought their chicks would be able to catch them? Some clubs have rules against glitter and heavy perfumes for the same reason..they dont want the guys to have any evidence because if they get caught..they wont be back.
    Therefore it isnt just in the strippers best interest(though I have no problem with female custies as long as they behave) but in the CLUBS best interest to do anything to not lose or scare off customers.

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    Kitana - again, I think you are confusing different issues here. A club behaving that way is likely breaching employment standards - a bad thing. However I'm not sure the solution to that is to expand discrimination against all women, instead of just having police engage in negative stereotypes of strippers.

    I don't know CK. The fact that women can enter a club unaccompanied doesn't seem to stop guys from coming in. So my personal hypothesis is: not very many would stop based on the fact that women are allowed in. And the club is just another vendor, and anti-discrimination laws just don't work in a way that allows discrimination when the business just really, really wants to do it. You say you agree in principle - what happens to that principle when you toss it over something that is, to be frank, a relatively minor impact. I get that you want, as a stripper, women-free bars. Do you want, as a woman, to have businesses, landlords and employers to be able to discriminate against you based on a fairly spurious convenience? Much less for them to be able to discriminate on the basis of race, orientation, gender identity, handicap or disability etc? Because you don't like chicks in clubs? If you see a difference, what is that difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrodieLux View Post
    The last few weekend nights at my upstate NY club we've had these street prostitutes coming in to the club. ... Does this happen anywhere else?
    Approximately what part of upstate NY is this happening in? I've never seen it happen in Syracuse (central NY) except possibly in one trashy club that is now closed.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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