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    Angry reasons why i hate the tipout system.

    Quicky rant, i'm still fuming. Why should i be FORCED to reward someone who actively fucks my money, INTENTIONALLY?

    I don't give a shit if i don't go back to that club. DJ pulled a fit about my "stiffing" him after he fucked me, i told the general manager i'd give him the money for a house fee, but that i didn't see a need to pay someone who has already intentionally COST me money.

    (basically, the dj lost track of his rotation, called me out of order, when i was in the middle of a dance, and literally made me go up onstage because of his mistake. I made 4$ onstage and the customer i was dancing for left while i was on, no more dances, no payment for the dance I'd STARTED. So i tipped hte DJ half of what i usually do, he pitched a bitch fit and called the GM in. I shouldn't have given the cheap fuckers anything at all.)

    Between the bookers fuckign me on the schedule, the club being shit, and now this little fiasco, i really have no intentions of going back ever again.
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    Ahhh that sucks babe. I think most of us would have done the same thing. Fucking d.j.'s with pimp attitudes.

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    I hear you, I'm getting quite sick of this attitude that everyone deserves a tip no matter what. A crappy job deserves a crappy tip in my opinion. You were justified.

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    honestly, and i know i might get flamed for this, i don't see why we have to pay payrolled employees in the first place. but we have to do it. it's not mandatory at my old club to tip the bartender, as i don't drink i would only tip her when a custie bought me a sprite or would send me to get change from her

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    Quote Originally Posted by happygiggles View Post
    honestly, and i know i might get flamed for this, i don't see why we have to pay payrolled employees in the first place. but we have to do it. it's not mandatory at my old club to tip the bartender, as i don't drink i would only tip her when a custie bought me a sprite or would send me to get change from her
    I sympathize with the OP, it sucks when the djs do a bad job, because they know we're required to tip no matter what. If only some of them would wise up and realize they'd get MORE money from us if they'd do an excellent job.

    But-I'm just putting this out there- I don't know how it is at other clubs but at my club the djs only make what we tip them. They are NOT payrolled employees.

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    oh that's very shitastic. our dj tipout is 6 dollars and if you have only 20 girls, that's 120. i wouldn't do it. maybe that's how it is at bigger clubs. but i'm certain where i'm at my dj is a payrolled employee. and in that case it's unfair sometimes to have to tip the dj cuz there is always the possibility on a dead night that a girl can leave in the negative
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    what pisses me off is when there's 45 girls working, and they all have to tip the DJ 10 dollars, he goes home with 450, and i go home with 200! or, even the bouncers, they get 225, the same amount I made for just walking around all night. and the housemom, she just sits in the dressing room all night and collects money from the girls, and makes minimum 5 per girl.... on a saturday night that's 200 dollars, exactly what i made for doing nothing!

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    First of all the system exists because dancers are willing to do it and just like all other things dancer related there will always be more than enough dancers willing to do it.

    Some examples of this theory:

    There will always be dancers who are willing to do "extras" ITC and some who will be willing to arrange to meet customers to do "FS extras" OTC.

    There will alway be dancers who are willing to pay "house/stage fees". Back in the day, 70's-80's dancers were rare and in demand, all they had to do was agree to work at some club. Many times club owners could not get enough, no one had to pay to work. One day a club owner thought "gee lets try this" probably started out with small amount like 10 bucks, well guess what dancers were willing to pay it. In a few years all the girls "thought it was normal" These day I hear at clubs like the ones in Vegas it can be hundreds of dollars, and the girls out there think that is "normal".

    These days with all those 18 year olds who have grown up watching Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, celebs like that, they all think that looking like a stripper is cool and the idea of being one is cool and a cool/fun way "job".

    You know the "party girls", every club has them these days.

    The club that 30 years ago struggled to have 10 dancers now has easily 4 or 5 times that many who are will to pay huge amounts of money to work there, so much so that now there are plenty of clubs who will let any girl willing to pay the house fee dance, it does not matter what she looks like or if there is something like 6 dancers for every customer. It has become a "profit center" for them.

    As far as tipouts for DJ's etc. well these days in plenty of clubs they are IC's as well or maybe they get reduced min. wage like a waitress but work essential for tips. They know the deal when they are hired and it isn't a bad deal if that DJ gets 20 dollars from each dancer per night and there are only 10 well that is 200 dollars a night, work 5 nights a week like a lot do and you have 4 grand a month, make it 30 or 40 dancers, well you can see the math. Club owners do this "because they can".

    Back in the day they were "full fledged employess" dancers didn't pay them, they didn't have too, but in the same way club owners started small with tipouts some dancers starting tipping these people "because they helped me out" and before you know it you have got to where you are today.

    It may sound like I am saying that this is all your fault and in a way I am but don't take it the wrong way, I am saying that it is what it is but also saying why it is what it is. As long as the law of supply and demand favors club owners versus dancers and it does not look like it will change anytime soon then club owners will continue to demand ever higher housefees, take ever larger % of LD and drink fees and continue to demand that you pay all his "employees" and there will be girls who will do it.

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    We have to tip out to everyone, and the worst part is, we've got to walk around and hand it to them. Seriously if you have to tip hm, dj, makeup guy, hair guy, can't we just put it in a envelope? Paying is one thing (That's $50 right there!), but making us run around to do it is even worse!

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    ^so how does one person change the system? If I refused to pay house or tip out people who don't deserve it and are employees anyways, I would just get fired, because dancers are so disposable. The only way would be to get every single dancer in the club to refuse to tip out the manager, bartender, dj, housemom and bouncers unless they deserve it--- and that wouldn't happen, because there are so many girls that are just used to it and think it's "rude" to not tip out the minimum.. whatever happened to questioning everything? I gave away one THIRD of my earnings last night to people who just sat around on their asses or walked around the club while I was sweating and naked dealing with gross men...... I deserved that money way more than they did.

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    I have had that happen to me many times and yes it sucks donkey dick. I've always thought most of the club staff such as the DJ and bouncers should be paid by the club and not the dancers because they are ofcourse employees of the club itself.

    The tipping of these people should be done when they provide services above and beyond and not just because they are doing their job and especially not be required when they don't even bother to even do that properly.

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    oh, I was thinking it's been awhile since we had a "fuck the monkey in the box with the buttons and his tipout" thread.

    Instead of bitching about what you have to do, and you will always have to do (minimum tipout), why don't you use the DJ to your advantage to help you make money. Offer to pay him more to do things like talk you up on stage, or my personal favorite is to skip me all night for $25-45 (depends on the club.)

    yeah, minimum mandatory tips are unfair. But good things CAN come out of these people, so utilize them.

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    I guess i'm the odd man out.
    I seriously appreciate how great the managers/owners/DJs/bouncers are and have no problem paying tip out to them.

    In addition I think people are forgetting we are independant contractors who basically rent (house fees) soace to work in. At least that's the general premise behind it.

    Don't get me wrong, I would love to keep every cent I make!



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    I have no problem tipping the DJ- he is one of the only employees in the club I tip without resistance.....but the bouncers at the club I work at do not to anything really...they walk around and watch dances. If I were a guy, it would make sense to work in a strip club, because they get to look at naked women for free all night, wear a tux, and stand around looking important and get paid for it... with little work at all. This is just how it is at my club, not saying it's true for all bouncers, I'm sure there are bouncers out there who actually step in when dancers break dance rules and tell dancers about spendy customers.

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    I make a point to tell a DJ when I am tipping him extra for something. Sometimes I'll say "Hey, thanks for downloading that song for me! I really appreciate it!" and if they fuck up, I tell them. And then I tip them slightly less than usual.
    I think I'm going to start offering to have them take me off the stage all night. I'd have so much more time to hustle.

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    I accidentally tipped the DJ $1 less than the minimum (i had every intention of giving him his $10, but I think I'd make like $100 that day and ended up tipping out more thn I took home) and he CALLED ME OUT over the speakers.

    "Aubrey, please come back to the DJ booth. You didn't make MINIMUM tip"

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    what a dick- did you explain to him that you were tipping out more than you were taking home?? i wouldn't have given him that extra dollar... what an asshole for calling you out over the speaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aubreyyy View Post
    I accidentally tipped the DJ $1 less than the minimum (i had every intention of giving him his $10, but I think I'd make like $100 that day and ended up tipping out more thn I took home) and he CALLED ME OUT over the speakers.

    "Aubrey, please come back to the DJ booth. You didn't make MINIMUM tip"
    that sounds like a fantastic way to always get the minimum. Every time.

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    ^^

    I told him but he didn't give a shit. He also put me up for the last set before shift change, even though there were 5 girls working the 5-1 that normally go up the last 15 minutes of the day shift, so we can finish up dances.

    Yeah, he's never gotten more than $10 from me now ever. But our DJs don't do SHIT for us, one even told me that he only had an obligation to play music for the club and didn't care what kind of music I liked- even though the dancers pay his salary?

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    And if every dancer then starts offering that extra 25-45 dollars, then what will you have? exactly what you have now, every dancer will do it because they will feel tha they need to just to "keep up" but in the end all that will happen is that the "minimum" will just be higher.

    This whole tipout business started to begin with because dancers, thinking it was in there own self interest started tipping these employees to reward them for "helping them out" or just because they hoped they help them in the future.

    Is there a solution? No, not as long as was said above "dancers are disposable", but raising the bar and throwing good money after bad in the end won't help either.

    I would love to have a business that brought in thousands of dollars a night selling watered down soda or maybe just water that to the outside world that did not know any better had the best part of 100 "employees" and not only did I not have to pay a single one of them most of them would be paying me just to work for me.

    That is what SC owners have now.

    Considering the money that they can make I would not be surprised to find out that there are already clubs that DJ's and maybe bouncers pay to work at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonehome View Post
    And if every dancer then starts offering that extra 25-45 dollars, then what will you have? exactly what you have now, every dancer will do it because they will feel tha they need to just to "keep up" but in the end all that will happen is that the "minimum" will just be higher.
    That's not true. Not every girls wants to pay extra to be skipped.

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    I love our dj and I've learned the more I take care of him the better he is to me. I work at a club where at most we have 20 girls-and thats only on the weekends, the weeks we usually only have 10. I usually tip at least 5 bucks more than what we have to unless I have a really shitty night. He really works with me when I'm on stage to get the men up to tip onstage and reserve ld's. But I've been to other SC's and I know every dj is different, ours is fantastic so I guess he deserves it.

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    I don't have a problem tipping a DJ who's working hard for me, or, hell, even a DJ who isn't actively hurting me,but yeah, when someone is fucking with my money, i'm NOT going to pay them MORE for the "privilege". And treating me like shit sure isn't a way to guarantee that i'll fall in line thanking you. Sigh. Usually i LIKED that guy, and tipped well over the minimum when i could, even though the minimum is simply an "hourly" tip, that reads like a flat fee.

    I'm still pissed about this-PDX is slow right now, every dance counts, and that one customer that should have made my night was the only thing preventing me away from my financial goal! It doesn't help that the DJ was making us do looong three song sets, so we could still run two stages, so that stage set easily takes away 12-15 minutes from my hustle, and his time, when i KNEW he was getting ready to go before he asked for a dance.
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    sometimes the DJ doesn't have a say in how many stages are being run or who can get skipped. And 3 song sets suck, but I personally would rather do 3 song sets than 2 song sets where there aren't enough girls.

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    We get hourly pay (under the table) at my club, but at the end of the night, they take out $20 per girl to go towards house fees and tip outs. I think it's fair. Instead of making $65 for the night on hourly wage, I make $45, but get to keep all my tips from the stage and all my table dance money.

    Personally, I would never ever tip our DJ if I didn't have to. He doesn't play music I request, he leaves me out of rotation, and he puts me on the stage with girls that he knows I have issues with.
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