



These days I like to count my money. I like to wash it delicately and iron it. Sometimes I dry it with some bounty to make it all nice and cuddly. I love my money... did I say that out loud?





Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?





I have a friend with a high end dance club in North Jersey.
My evil nature is whispering to me to find out what day this women's only shindig will be and than announcing a comped evening; free entry, nibbles and drinks for SW members from 8pm til Midnight. See who shows up where?
Muhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
A social experiment in which is stronger... the sisterhood or the draw of free food and booze.
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In fact, I am only teasing. Not about having the friend with the club. Just about using it in that manner. I wouldn't do that to you [try to split you down the middle that is].
If you want to have a woman's only G2G that's just fine, but I think it is rather telling that when the notion of a SW G2G comes up the first thought of some of you is to exclude the male members of SW.
I couldn't imagine a blue side notion of a G2G coming up in any region and the the guys being, ummm.... I'll come but why don't we make it men only.
I guess men are more cordial and pron to be more socially compatible with both genders.
And if it seems that my feelings are a little hurt... could be. Men have feelings too you know and no one, male or female, likes being a member of a social gathering point like SW and then being excluded from its activities.
Last edited by Golden_Rule; 07-25-2008 at 01:55 PM.
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?



Poconos
"I Can Sell Raid To A Bug. i'm A Hustler I Can Sell Salt To A Slug" -Cassidy





BLT?
That would totally depend on the individual man in question.
1) If he is the kind of man who thinks of people as people first, and their gender - social status - race - sexual orientation -job, etc as entirely secondary and of minor consideration, if he just enjoys socializing for the sake of socializing - than no, I wouldn't presume that at all.
2) Now, if he is the other type I would think that might be a distinct possibility.
Since you immediately jumped to the latter conclusion may I put you down in group number two?
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?





Its a dance club. Not a strip-club. Most of the bartenders are good looking guys so not many gigs there for women. [Why. Simple. Dances clubs draw men clientele if single women come to them. Good looking male bartenders draw single women. The mice to the cheese... the cats to the mice.]
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?
I interpret it a little different.
While I have on occasion seen the guys suggest a casual meeting an SC among themselves (e.g., a couple of members both in the same town at the same time), I have never seen any real interest in putting together or attending a male only SW gathering. On the flip side the dancers have arranged a reasonable size gathering several times, so...
Let me lay it on the line. I think the idea of socializing with hot younger women is a draw for us, but we have little interest in socializing with each other. On the flip side, there is little or no draw for strippers to socialize with us, mostly older, guys. We aren't paying them. We don't look that great. We aren't that amusing especially if you consider they spend a great deal of time around guys like us in the SC all day, so...
Look, if we all had pics up and were young hot males who knows, the invitations may be more likely, but even then, they can attract those kind of men in other venues. We all like to think we are interesting, but we aren't "that" interesting that they want to hang out with us for fun, so...
so... I wouldn't take it negatively. Makes complete sense from their shoes.





Maybe its just me and it goes to a post I made on the blue side about a similar subject not so long ago. I know that many of these women have no sexual interest in men like me and that most of those that do only do so for the remuneration involved. On that level it is mutual because I have no sexual interest in them outside of a play for pay involvement. I DON'T WANT "FREE" SEX FROM THEM [because there is no such thing] and therefore wouldn't socialize with them simply because they are women, young, and pretty. I'm not interested in being romantically involved with someone half my age with no mutual points of reference.
When I want sex with someone younger than myself I'll seek out a willing partner and come to a satisfactory meeting of mutual needs. You see, I am not paying for the sex. I pay for the privilege of no social ties and the ability to go our separate ways with no social encumbrances other than the money that changed hands. IOW I don't pay for them to come to me, I pay for them to leave.
Sex, in order to be fair, has to be about quid pro quo. Each takes. Each gives. If a woman shares her sex the rules of social comportment say she has certain rights to my time, attention, etc. I pay to remove those social obligations.
I am interested in people in general and in that regard, and ONLY that regard, I like meeting new folks when I feel in the mood to meet new folks. If there was to be a social gathering of a group of people who share an interest in something, strip-clubs by way of this example, and I am a member of that group of course I'd like to think I was welcome to the gathering as simply one of their number. Who, if they are telling the truth, wouldn't want to be invited. It would feel like a snub if you weren't [and it does].
At the risk of sounding hypocritical for a man who just said he willing pays women to surrender their social demands on him in the normal exchange of sexual favors, I will state I would hope that wasn't the case because if it were that would be awfully shallow of them.Look, if we all had pics up and were young hot males who knows, the invitations may be more likely,
I don't disagree. Though I am hardly the kind of person who lets people off the hook for being hypocritical or shallow simply because it makes sense for them to be. I'll call myself on it as I am my own worst critic, but being that kind of fellow who isn't afraid to call myself on my own hypocrisy allows me the freedom to point out others with equal abandon.so... I wouldn't take it negatively. Makes complete sense from their shoes.
P.S: BTW, let me add that I have always enjoyed and appreciated your desire to share ideas, tolerence for others POVs, and the way you obviously engage your mind before your keyboard. Whether we've agreed or not, and I know there have been both, it is always both interesting and refreshing to exchange thoughts with you.
Thank you.
Last edited by Golden_Rule; 07-25-2008 at 06:01 PM. Reason: spelling
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?





You are a character aren't you...![]()
Too bad we'll probably never meet. I am very fond of characters. I am one myself, as you've probably guessed.
I gather we'd either have a splendid evening shooting the shit or loath each other on sight.
Either would be interesting.![]()
wishing well...
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?
That's OK, I've read your trip reports and I think I'd avoid strip clubs you like. Nothing personal, just differences in tastes.
Personally, I'd still go to a bar where no men know us. Easier to flirt when no boys are around.
I love being "those girls" everyone hates.![]()





No offense taken.
Actually, as long as the people in them aren't totally plastic I enjoy many different kinds of clubs.
My favorite place I've written about several times is simply a neighborhood tavern with good eats, good folks and just happens to have go-go as well. Its owned by a former dancer and her husband. A real "mom/pop" place. It even still pays set fees to the dancers, has no lap dance area [and no lap/table dances].
I go there to get a sandwich or a burger and talk to the locals about what's news. Like sitting on the front porch of the general store chatting over a cracker barrel, sort of.
I post those kinds of trip reports, naked as they are, because they represent an under reported experience in modern strip-clubs and remove [maybe rip to some people's view] some of the rosy, romantic, haze that seems to be the varnish of choice for many of the trip reports written by others.
Maybe its having been a big city cop for 25 years, but the camera that is my eye takes pictures of life with no vaseline on the lens. If the pictures are gritty its because what I am looking at is gritty. That doesn't mean it can't also be beautiful. The two things aren't always mutually exclusive.
Where no MEN know us... when no BOYS are around.Personally, I'd still go to a bar where no men know us. Easier to flirt when no boys are around.
Freudian. Very Freudian.
If I were to take a fling at interpreting that I'd probably guess that you are saying real men don't go to strip-clubs. Boys on the other hand...
If that is what you think, there might be validity to that. I'd be the first to admit that while I consider myself to be a good man, I am a something of a bad boy.
Nothing wrong with that. I appreciate the candor as well.I love being "those girls" everyone hates.![]()
Speaking of well, that is what I wish you... well.![]()
Last edited by Golden_Rule; 07-25-2008 at 05:57 PM.
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?
I have said on the blue side many times in the past, as far as I can see us guys are pretty shallow too, so at least it is fair and even. I mean how many guys do you know who say they love women for their personalities, but for some reason, only have crushes and lust after hotties? Strange coincidence? Or cause and effect?
So if that is shallow, there is plenty of it going around. I know I am really shallow many times. Fact is I see a hot woman and several hundred million years of instinct and biology turns on and suddenly I'm interested in what she has to say. I could pretend it wasn't so but that would be a lie. And sure, I should give everyone an equal chance, but the fact is I am far more inclined to be interested in and agree with a hot woman. I'm far more likely to want to spend time with them. This is fact. Personality matters, sure, a lot, but I really can't fault people for being people. Sexual attraction is a reality, and it impacts on who of the opposite sex we want to spend time with.
Is that shallow? I think it's just human nature, and beyond me to judge the merits of it, good or bad. It works, or at least it evolved and thrived in the gene pool. /shrug
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People are as they are. I don't try and change that. What I will call folks on though is their BS, as readily as I'll admit to my own [when I see it, and while not perfect in that account I am an introspective sort and am relatively aware of my short comings, as well as my good points].
Young guys, sure. We get older, and smarter, I trust.I mean how many guys do you know who say they love women for their personalities, but for some reason, only have crushes and lust after hotties?
Yes, but you are willing to admit it and call it what it is. That is a HUGE mitigating factor in my book.I know I am really shallow many times.
You don't have to sell me on the biological imperative. Male and female alike. I am one of its chief cheerleaders. We all have our reptilian instincts, stored in the base of our brains and brain stem, the mammalian instincts of our cerebral cortex. Frontal lobes, on the evolutionary scale, are a relatively recent development.Is that shallow? I think it's just human nature, and beyond me to judge the merits of it, good or bad. It works, or at least it evolved and thrived in the gene pool. /shrug![]()
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Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?
I hate Freud. He was a misogynistic ass. Also, I'm a writer - I try not to use the same word twice in a sentence or in close proximity. There is no reading into there. My friends go to SCs... my FB goes to stripclubs. Stop trying to find meaning where there is nothing deeper than what's stated.
It seems so, that we learn to value personality more over looks as we grow older (perhaps in great part because we ourselves have less to offer in the looks department and are hoping to change the rules of the game?), yet as you are aware, despite that and all of our supposed maturing... The SCs are full of older guys like us, spending money to be around hot women. We aren't spending money to be around unattractive women with mature personalities. In fact it is really hard to imagine a SC of 40-50+ year old normal looking women succeeding. So... things that make us go "hmmm" about ourselves.





OOOOOOK.
I know this medium is very flat, lacking in dimension, so that intent, nuance and feeling sometimes get lost. I didn't think it would be that hard to realize that what I had written about Freud, etc, was tongue in cheek and I wasn't looking for any meaning, deeper or other wise. I was just going for the funny bone. Though I admit in a very droll, bordering on arid, way.
I have a dry sense of humor. What can I say?
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?





Right. Because I firmly believe I can have my cake and eat it too.
When I am looking for love I place personality, ability to care, common points of reference, shared views of he world and a viable sense of humor over looks.
When I am being shallow and just interested in looks I open my wallet to compensate the individual on the other side of the equation to forgo their wants, needs, and desires and deal with me precisely as I am and my wants, need and desires.
There is always give and take in all "relationships". No one gets something for nothing. There is always consideration. In the case of the PYT and the older man who wants to tap into her youth and sexual appeal so he can experience what he use to get in his youth for other reasons now replaces that with gifts of cash, jewelry, access to places and things she'd find difficult to experience on her own, etc.
We didn't make these rules. Neither you or I cause young women to be willing to exchange access to their physical selves for these things. No means no in my book, as I am sure it does in yours. When they voluntarily say yes it is because they want what we have, just as we want what they have. Perfect symmetry. An equation in perfect balance and decidedly fair for both sides.
Quid pro quo. What more could you ask for.![]()
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?





Last edited by Golden_Rule; 07-28-2008 at 07:57 PM.
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?
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