




you are new, so of course that's the case because you have to learn to sell dances first. If you are new with it, it takes awhile to grasp it.
But if you are the type of dancer (which I am) that uses upselling as her primary sales tool, then you will understand that it's not about how many guys want a dance. It's how many guys emptied their wallets, went to the ATM to get more, and THEN pulled out the credit card for you.





I understand it's different for every person. I'm just saying what my experience has been. I don't work at a club where it's typical for men to spend more than a hundred or two max and so it's very useful to me to get as many "yeses" as possible. There is no upsell at my club. Molly and I are in the process of experimenting.
Just because I say "my experience has been....." doesn't mean I'm dumb enough to think that is the end-all advice for all girls in all clubs.





Not really. It's just a different approach.
Thanks to Hustle Hut, Dancer Wealth, and lots of sales reading, I'm able to get 5 dances per hour which translates to about $88/hour after tipout. Or about $400-450 for a 5 hour shift.
I know there are a lot of girls who make more than that in different cities but I'd rather be critical of myself than of my club. Even though the guys aren't crazy spenders, there is still good money potential if you hustle.
well, imagine if you had a VIP.





If by VIP you mean buying a chunk of time, I agree that would be great for my business. I'm not sure if you read the other thread but Molly and I are going to try to sell chunks of tiem upfront.
If it involved a private room, I would not be happy with that because extras would occur at my club. A bylaw was passed just over a year ago in my city which whipped out extras. From what I have heard, money was much better back then but I'd rather hustle up $100/hour in a clean and safe club than $160/hour in a nasty club full of extras.
Now a lot of people misinterpret my posts so I will add that I don't think all dancers in VIP do extras. I'm just saying that if a club offers private rooms then extras are bound to happen at some point. And I know that extras would happen at my club because I've heard tons of stories of the "good ole days".





i wasn't comparing girl to girl. i was simply using a 'girl a' and 'girl b' example because sometimes it's easier to think of it in those terms. i could have instead said 'you would be in a worse place selling 20 dances to 20 guys than if you sold 15 dances per guy to 6 guys".
i worked in non-upsell clubs primarily. and you can still upsell. you can charge more for the dances, you can charge for time, there's always something. read lilith's old posts on getting tipped for cute outfits and conversation, or lena's posts on calling blocks of time 'sessions'.
you would also benefit from paris's old posts on scattershot vs precision focus (if i could recall the exact term she used, i'd mention that to make the search easier).



My approach is a bit different so my success rate is somewhat low, about 10% to 20%.
I'll talk to pretty much any guy that comes into the club. I focus on building up regular clientèle and I try to sell at least three dances per customer. If after talking for about 2 minutes I think they will only do one dance or it's a tough sell, I'll cut my hustle short and go into a "wanna dance" mode which often gets a no. From those I get a good feeling from, I'll chat for awhile and about 75% will do VIP and 25% will come back to see me.
I was thinking about this question last night when I worked, and I noticed that my success rate for last night was 99%. But, I noticed myself being very selective on which guys I approached, & which ones I approached first. There are certain signifiers that show that this guy likes to spend money on himself. I remember when I first started dancing, and I would ask just anybody, but spent a lot of my time getting "no." One of my girlfriends who was really good @hustling said to me one night (when I was asking for advice), "I don't know why you talk to half of the guys that you do!"There are some guys out there that will get 0-1 dance, then there are guys that will get 2-3 dances, then you have those that will get 5+ dances. When you learn how to read which guys are which, you utilize your time, & most of the guys you talk to won't be just a 1 dance kinda guy. BUT, I have been surprised before! So do keep that open mind. Hope this helps.
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^ LOL, my thought exactly. I would have forgotten about the one and then passed out from exhaustion.





I don't think about how many guys say yes or no. I think about how much I'm making. I'm not unhappy if I've made $100/ hour, but if it's the case that in doing so, lots of guys are only spending $40-60 on me at a time, this is less than ideal. Even without a VIP, it's a rare week when I don't get a least a couple guys to spend over $200.
I try to concentrate on sniffing out the guys who like me and spend lots. They are out there, Newmoon! I think that's why I like the downtown clubs more...for night shifts, anyway. Daytime the big spenders are much more rare. I find it easier to hook better customers near the hotels. We should try Barefax. But Barbarella's tends to be good business.
They took away the VIP rooms at the fax I think, cuz of the no privacy law.
In any case, I wish I could dance in the States. It sounds so different there...and Americans are all about tipping. Hehe. Better culture for the strip club! Canadians feel way too entitled about boobs for free. When you have a club that gives the hotel guys a FREE beer, NO cover charge, lunch for a loonie...well, wtf. And you have Montreal not 2hours down the road, offering lapdances for $8. Sorry, getting off topic. Really, I like the money I make. It's consistent and decent, but there is a definite ceiling.
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well, 99% doesn't mean, "only one said no" unless it's out of 100 guys.
These percentages in this thread are completely useless unless you are actually counting how many people you're talking to and using math to calculate your stats. (this is not specifically directed to you, torchemily...but everyone in the thread.)





Molly - We really do need to try the fax. I can't this weekend cause rent is due so I want to work where I know I will make my rent, but maybe next weekend? The dances are much more private there but not closed doors. But it's upstairs so like Barb's, you can only be where the private dances occur when you are getting a dance and the booth has one open wall if that makes sense. Like at the Den, you can see inside from 2-3 angles but at the Fax you can only see from one angle.
I've always wondered what having a private room for dance booths does to the business. On one level, I think it's bad because when a guy walks in and sees the bar and the stage, private dances may be out of sight/out of mind. On the other hand, it could be good because you can't go to "the other room" unless you buy a dance and it can create mystery. I dunno![]()










Some Douchebag: "[Pimp C] 12:43 am: its true we got to stick together the black people on SW CK you is teh condoleeza of SW"





CK - I was joking in case that wasn't evident LOL
Gawd, I feel like we're back in grade 7 here!



(besides the controversial mathematics) I really liked this quote. It's basically saying that she gets a higher rate of return on investment (time spent on approaching for a sale) because she has found her niche market or has honed in on the ones that most likely will give her a return on her investment of time. Anyways... I just really liked that part and I think it's a good piece of advice: find the guys who will say "yes" to maximize your investment of time.
Anyways, I understand that most of you feel like it's useless metric, but I personally feel that it's a matter of effectiveness.... how effective are you at getting a sale?.... But what I failed to take into account was:
How effective are you at up-selling once you've made a sale? How effective are you at making the initial close of sale into a much larger close of sale?
So here's the new question(s):
what percentage of men that you approach are you able to close a sale with? And of the men that you close a sale with how many are you able to sell higher priced amounts of time to? And what do you contribute this to? What price range are you able to push your original close of sale to?
Hopefully this makes using the metric of percentage rates more logical by honing in on the specifics.....





So true. Some nights I make money of lots of different guys but most nights I make most of my money off a few guys.
Why do I feel less desireable if I make my money off less guys? I love being in demand by heaps of guys in the club. It's ridiculous coz some nights I can make a ton of money off one customer - recently $500 off one guy and at the end of the night I felt slightly pissed off that I didn't dance for more guys. Then I do the stupid "but for" thing. But for that guy I would have only made $$$$
Why do I do this to myself?
There are many stereotypes about the industry that I work in. Sometimes they can be true but human beings are very diverse creatures and cannot be pigeon-holed into one category.
Some of the most effortlessly beautiful, kind, intelligent, successful, motivated, driven and ridiculously hilarious women that I have ever met have been dancers. I've met the best friends that I've ever had in this industry.





jaizane - I agree it's a dumb mentally but I have it too!! When I was in T-Bay dances are $10 instead of $20 like I'm used to, and songs were 4-5 minutes instead of 3-4 minutes. I was literally dancing the entire night and it felt sooooooo good but I wasn't making all that much LOL



Its difficult to say, because it depends on what I consider an "average" night with the crappy economy figured in. Shifts at my club seem to be hormonal in the way that you never know what to expect. I'm going to guesstimate my type of nights are divided 30/30/30 out of 100% . My success rate for two of those nights is 25-50%. Usually on one night I sell nothing but LD, maybe a few songs in VIP. The other night I'll have a regular come in who takes up 1/3 of my time and provides me with 1/2 of my income for the night. The other 30% of my time my success rate is 75%+ and usually those are nights where I'm being passed around by groups on the floor which usually leads to a VIP for another custy within eyesight. <-- That last one is usally my bigmoney nights. But, of course, these are all guestimates![]()
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