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    Default A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    Which is the better of the two? They both seem kinda bad. Jews don't have disdain for all Christians do they???
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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    They're both really the same thing. Shiksa's derogatory because its root is "impure."

    Didn't you know - Shiksas are for practice!



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    LOL! If I had a dollar for every time I heard that "practice" line, I'd be rich!

    Hubby is jewish, I was raised hardcore Catholic (catholic school as a kid, the whole 9 yards).

    What happened? I grew up, married a jewish guy, and we're both essentially agnostics these days. LOL!

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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    I agree with Hardcandee. Goyah is not derogatory per se.

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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    So being a shiksa isn't a bad thing? I was wondering since my fwb said I know a lot about Jews for a shiksa. Thought it was cute until I looked it up!
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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    Meh..my first 2 boyfriends were Jewish and their families called me a shiksa. It wasnt meant to be an insult.

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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    It can be (and technically is), but most of the time I don't think people mean it that way.



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    Not a threadjack, but a legitimate question- I want to convert but I'm only 1/16 Jewish through my father's side. What does that make me to more "Jewish" Jews?
    Will I always be a wannabe? If I marry a full Jew, does that help?

    I do care about this- learning about Judaism is one of the few things that centers me right now.

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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    I know it's best for you to study independently since the religion passes down through the mother not the father. Marrying a Jew doesn't give you the automatic conversion.
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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    To the very religious Jews, you'll always be a wannabe. But for most (regardless of the 1/16th) conversion is a legitimate process that incorporates you into the Jewish faith.

    Like to my grandmother, my cousin's wife (who converted in our synagogue) years ago is still not a "real" Jew. But that's really a different generation and most mainstream Jews are more accepting.



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    I've never heard "goyah," just goy. Goy means "nation" and it's just a neutral term for a gentile. "Shiksa," OTOH, means "abomination" and it is NOT a nice thing to call someone, although a lot of people throw it around affectionately.

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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine View Post
    Not a threadjack, but a legitimate question- I want to convert but I'm only 1/16 Jewish through my father's side. What does that make me to more "Jewish" Jews?
    Will I always be a wannabe? If I marry a full Jew, does that help?

    I do care about this- learning about Judaism is one of the few things that centers me right now.
    No, it does not make you Jewish at ALL. It won't make you more Jewish and a full Jew won't marry you if you're not Jewish... so it's to the books with you.

    (Just for record, the only reason you can't be Jewish from your father is because paternatity can never be proven.)

    And we call it Goyim here. o_O

    And Shiksa is VERY derogatory. It means impure/bad/abomination... like kosher means good/pure/holy. It's the opposite of kosher, put it that way.


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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    Goyim is just the male plural form of goy.



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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    Ah! Yes. That explains a lot because the only time I heard it was directed at a few men.


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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    "-im" (eem) always implies plural male.
    "-ot" (oat) likewise means plural female.



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    YES! I learned SOME Hebrew finally! (My CDs have yet to come in the mail...)


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    LOL! And 12 years of Heberw lessons is finally paying off for me! Morah Hardkandee!
    If you can get past the difficulties of learning a new alphabet (Alef Bet!) then everything else is relatively straight forward.



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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    I learned Japanese... I can learn Hebrew. I'm guessing the grammatical syntex is similar. Like every other language UNLIKE ENGLISH!

    Thanks for the Hebrot..um... Shior?


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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    Ivreet is Hebrew in Hebrew.
    But yeah!

    You need to find yourself an Ulpan.

    And way to go with the Japanese! Hebrew should be a breeze then.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I've never heard "goyah," just goy. Goy means "nation" and it's just a neutral term for a gentile. "Shiksa," OTOH, means "abomination" and it is NOT a nice thing to call someone, although a lot of people throw it around affectionately.
    Oh I think a shikse is more like a non-jewish woman who is tempting yet forbidden to jewish men. I call myself a "shikse" sometimes when flirting with jewish guys...it's no big deal.
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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    Interesting thread..

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    Default Re: A Shiksa or a Goyah?

    And way to go with the Japanese! Hebrew should be a breeze then.
    rough japanese translation ... GaiJin !!!

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