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    Default My first rant: Non-strippers learning to strip

    So in another thread Dottie Rebel posted this comment:

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    I guess I'm old-fashioned. I don't want strippers to be seen as regular people. I want us to retain our mystique as mythological sex creatures. I think all of our money will go down the tubes if everyone figures out that we're just regular girls in neon green mini dresses. Or what have you. I do not support the recent explosion of strippers in pop culture. It just waters down our customer base with sight-seers. Something like this could be a good marketing opportunity for the individuals involved, but I believe this sort of thing hurts the industry as a whole. Why on earth would we want to be seen as upstanding, normal, every day tax-paying moms? There's no mystery in that!
    This is exactly why it's totally fucking with me that upstanding normal everyday moms are learning to strip and pole dance!

    On one hand it's their every right to learn how to do these things but on the other hand it's frustrating for me because I had to gather my balls and actually step into a strip club and learn to do it - and in a way i kind of feel like unless you go through that initiation you shouldn't know the secrets of -lol- "the clan".

    In a way it really takes away from our mystique as strippers that just anyone can do what we do and it's somehow becoming acceptable to the average female to do it!

    I mean that's where we get a lot of our stripper power - we do something that isn't acceptable amongst the average female. I mean shit... if every girl starts to do it our jobs could get a lot harder. We'd get a lot more of those "hy pay for it when i can get it for free guys. And happily married men... i cringe at the thought (lol I'm j/k of course)

    But at the rate it seems to be becoming popular ten years from now stripping will have replaced exercising! It's like soon women won't be buying treadmills for their homes at all anymore... their gonna start buying stripper poles!

    IDK am i the only one that feels this way? I mean I know i's like being selfish in a way, but it still gets to me.

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    Default Re: My first rant: Non-strippers learning to strip

    Why did you start a new thread for this?

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    Default Re: My first rant: Non-strippers learning to strip

    This pisses me off too. I can't even watch TV nowdays without hearing or seeing something about strippers or how cool pole dancing is - which is why I will never watch your show - Brooke Hogan, and yours too Denise!)

    I want our profession to be mysterious but it looks like that's not going to happen. Now it seems like every other girl wants to be a dancer. I think this trend is going to continue for a while and then either die out or turn into something else For example, it's not only stripping that's glamorized now but also being a porn actress or working at the Bunny Ranch. Just open up any Glamour or Marie Claire magazine and you'll see tons of "naughty" stories about women with these kind of jobs. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a porn star/webcam girl/escort etc. as long as it's not what everybody else aspires to be, because then it takes awakes from the mystery of the job and oversaturates the market with thousands of girlls that think they'll be making thousands of dollars each day for minimal work.

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    Default Re: My first rant: Non-strippers learning to strip

    Quote Originally Posted by Joplin View Post
    Why did you start a new thread for this?
    Often people get pissed when you thread jack. I just got a bit of heat for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joplin View Post
    Why did you start a new thread for this?
    Well it's marked as a rant in the title... I think that it helps people blow off steam, instead of threadjacking someone else, to be able to get something off their chest.

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    Default Re: My first rant: Non-strippers learning to strip

    I didn't see it as being a thread jack, but to each their own.

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    I agree with your OP Paris. It's probably the reason so many extras are becoming common, because girls feel like they have to do more to make money in this business. it's very sad.

    I can tell you one thing: if extras hadn't destroyed the money potential here, I would DEFINITELY still be dancing at this very moment. If it was financially smart for me to do so, I would be dancing. I miss it, but not the bullshit that comes with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joplin View Post
    Why did you start a new thread for this?
    Always with the Barney Fife! WHY?

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    Default Re: My first rant: Non-strippers learning to strip

    i think it's great that housewives and such are learning to strip and pole dance. if you're a fan of the artistic side of stripping, then it's a welcome shift.

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    Default Re: My first rant: Non-strippers learning to strip

    Those people taking classes might be learning to take their clothes off in a sexy way, or how to give a vanilla lap dance to their husband, but in no way are they actually learning to be strippers. To do that, you must enter the not-always-lovely club environment and see if you can hack it. You must stand on those heels for eight hour shifts 2-3 times a week for X months, hustle men for money, do private dances for people you wouldn't even look at OTC. You have to immerse yourself in the job and see what it is really about before you can even begin to "learn to strip."

    If you haven't done it as a way to earn a living, then YOU AREN'T A STRIPPER, you're just a nitwit twirling around a pole for kicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    i think it's great that housewives and such are learning to strip and pole dance. if you're a fan of the artistic side of stripping, then it's a welcome shift.
    This is coming from someone who no longer makes her living this way and regrets doing the the job. It makes sense that you would want it to be mainstreamed and absolved of dirtiness because that would make you feel better about it.

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    I agree andy girl. These girls will walk into a strip club and shit their pants when they see how it's really done.

    I think what i have a problem with is it's mainstream acceptance of learning to strip. It's supposed to be a naughty little secret! ... and if it's not a secret then how is going to be as exciting?

    On the other hand the mainstream acceptance has really helped me in coming out to my family.. i mean of course at first they were shocked and disappointed, but when they realized that some of their friends were learning to pole dance it kind of helped them be little more accepting of it. lol.. and i'm not going to tell them just how extremely different the two are! Anything that gets them off my back the better.

    But at the same time there is that other side of me that doesn't want it mainstream for that exact reason - that it's more acceptable! And there's the side of me that wants to tech my mother and my sister in law to pole dance cause i think it would be cute!... and they'd be more ok with me dancing... But for some reason I hate the fact that all their friends do it. It's so hypocritical i know.

    I still hate the fact that you have effing specials on tyra and oprah telling housewives to go get a pole cause it's the new in thing to do. Fuck me. Why can't y'all stick to yoga and pilates damn it! Only strippers should be able to get to say who can be OK with stripping *hhmmpphh!* (lol)

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    Default Re: My first rant: Non-strippers learning to strip

    these women don't do it because they appreciate the artform...at least not most of them. they do it because we're filthy whores taking money their men should be spending on bags and jewelry and romantic getaways, and they want us out of business.

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    These suburban bitches are cramping our style! lol jk

    I'm pissed about it too, but I'm sure those women can never, ever be as good as us!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by she sells sanctuary View Post
    these women don't do it because they appreciate the artform...at least not most of them. they do it because we're filthy whores taking money their men should be spending on bags and jewelry and romantic getaways, and they want us out of business.
    So true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elusive21 View Post
    Just open up any Glamour or Marie Claire magazine and you'll see tons of "naughty" stories about women with these kind of jobs.
    Or an article about how screwed up we are and how we are all the same because one dillholes abused meth-head sister was. Then a porn star has to write in and correct them..which tehy proceed to edit the crap out of before they post it...
    AAAnnnyway...
    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie Rebel View Post
    This is coming from someone who no longer makes her living this way and regrets doing the the job. It makes sense that you would want it to be mainstreamed and absolved of dirtiness because that would make you feel better about it.
    took the words right out of my mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie Rebel View Post
    This is coming from someone who no longer makes her living this way and regrets doing the the job. It makes sense that you would want it to be mainstreamed and absolved of dirtiness because that would make you feel better about it.
    i'm glad to see the artistic aspects practiced by more women, because i think the arts of striptease and pole dancing have value and are worth learning on a large scale by all sorts of women. my regrets in stripping are mainly about not being one of those girls who made 3-5k each shift working 3 days a week, which is certainly a regret, but not the kind you're trying to attribute. i don't feel guilt or regret for the work in the sense you mean.

    but maybe i'm part of the problem, teaching some of those 'average' women to pole dance and strip and seduce. i don't feel bad about that, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andygirl View Post
    Those people taking classes might be learning to take their clothes off in a sexy way, or how to give a vanilla lap dance to their husband, but in no way are they actually learning to be strippers. To do that, you must enter the not-always-lovely club environment and see if you can hack it. You must stand on those heels for eight hour shifts 2-3 times a week for X months, hustle men for money, do private dances for people you wouldn't even look at OTC. You have to immerse yourself in the job and see what it is really about before you can even begin to "learn to strip."

    If you haven't done it as a way to earn a living, then YOU AREN'T A STRIPPER, you're just a nitwit twirling around a pole for kicks.
    You just hit the nail on the head! Agreed 100%!

    And OP yes, it pisses me off too! Especially when you get the younger girls that come in and try to dance thinking its "oh-so glamorous" and they sit around and party all night and give away time/entertainment for free because they have zero hustling skills. On the bright side they usually leave after a few weeks of no money making! But having a new one start every few weeks is annoying and detrimental to mine and other dancers income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by she sells sanctuary View Post
    these women don't do it because they appreciate the artform...at least not most of them. they do it because we're filthy whores taking money their men should be spending on bags and jewelry and romantic getaways, and they want us out of business.
    how do you know they don't appreciate the artistic aspect? not my experience that civilians learning are interested in sticking it to strippers-- strippers aren't even on the radar. it's about learning something powerful and beautiful to better appreciate their gifts as women.

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    I think they know how powerful we are over men and they want some of that power for themselves.

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    I hate this! It seems like so many girls are taking pole dance classes, but these are the same girls who look down on me for being a stripper. Please, you want to be me.
    The one lady who teaches pole dance classes here, won't teach strippers. I wanted to take a class and as soon as she found out I actually danced, she stopped returning my calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andygirl View Post
    Those people taking classes might be learning to take their clothes off in a sexy way, or how to give a vanilla lap dance to their husband, but in no way are they actually learning to be strippers. To do that, you must enter the not-always-lovely club environment and see if you can hack it. You must stand on those heels for eight hour shifts 2-3 times a week for X months, hustle men for money, do private dances for people you wouldn't even look at OTC. You have to immerse yourself in the job and see what it is really about before you can even begin to "learn to strip."

    If you haven't done it as a way to earn a living, then YOU AREN'T A STRIPPER, you're just a nitwit twirling around a pole for kicks.
    YES!!!! Plus, not every woman who learns how to strip is sexy. Go to any regular club (not strip) and check out all the girls dancing. Everyone isn't sexy/mesmerizing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by callilove View Post
    The one lady who teaches pole dance classes here, won't teach strippers. I wanted to take a class and as soon as she found out I actually danced, she stopped returning my calls.
    Really? Way to be a hypocrite!!She'll teach anyone to dance on a pole..as long as they dont actually need to know or make use of her teachings

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    I have no problem with strippers being seen as "normal" (I actually welcome that) and I dont mind the average Jo taking classes and learning to strip. I think the problem is more that the industry has been over exagerrated. I mean plenty of people are interested in baking or cooking and like to learn how to do it or take classes to get really good at it - they arent all rushing out to become chefs or pastry cooks though.

    I think society generally and pop culture lately especially has put way too much emphasis on how women should supposedly look and behave and conveniently merged it with a stripper steriotype. Sadly you have the media showing women that dancing sexilly and grabbing all the male attention at the expense of other womens egos is the sort of thing you want to strive for as opposed to maybe growing a brain and not giving a fuck about male opinion or something...
    Also talk shows over the last 15 years have had way to many dumb and often average or below average looking without meaning to be rude strippers on ranting and raving about how many hundreds and thousands of $ theyve made for doing a few measely hours of fuck all a week. The industry didnt need that, thats for sure!

    Anyway, hopefully its a fad and one that will die soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by callilove View Post
    The one lady who teaches pole dance classes here, won't teach strippers. I wanted to take a class and as soon as she found out I actually danced, she stopped returning my calls.
    Sadly this is not the first time I've heard of this.

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