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    I was thinking and i think a free national gym could cut health care costs by alot. My very consertive best friend and i were talking about diabitcs that that the diesise from poor life style choice he dose not think that the goverment should pay for the health coverage of that. I said i got a better idea why don't we try to prevent by makeing the ymca a free national gym that anyone can go to at any time. You could aslo use the gym as a way to pass out information on a heallthy lifestyle to futher reduce health care costs.
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    uh yeah... but the YMCA is basically free already. A membership to my local YMCA for an adult is a dollar a day for a year if you pre-pay, or 42 dollars a month. This includes use of the swimming pools , ALL the classes, the gym facility, free childcare, playground, all purpose room, basketball and tennis courts, outdoor play area... everything.

    If people aren't already going to the gym with prices that cheap, then they're not going to go if it's free either.

    What needs to happen is the government needs to STOP allowing companies to make and sell junk food- it should be illegal. They need to put stricter limits on how much fat, sodium and cholesterol is allowed in food, and make the foods that are available in WIC healthy ones, not milk, cheese and bread. They need to build public transportation networks EVERYWHERE (monorails, TRAINS, hybrid buses). Public transport means people walk more to get to the places in between, and get more exercise.

    a national gym would be wasted tax dollars. The facility is already available and affordable. A national gym would mean that being a fitness instructor would be a government job.
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    My dear friend Krchab, I know you and I have differences when it comes to politics. I just read this post from you and I wanted to ask you a question. Ok, if a candidate was to do something similar to what you and your friend propose, would you vote for them?

    I ask because one candidate is offering something similar. He wants to hire registered dietitians to help people lose weight and not have as many health complications. : http://healthcommentary.org/public/item/196409







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    lol.... it would work even better if we made it a requirement to work out.... perhaps you could work out to receive tax credit? lol totally insane i kno....

    Besides, why would "the man" want us to be fit and healthy when he can make so much more money off of us sitting in front of the TV, having commercial propaganda blasted into our psychology to keep us in debt and slaves to our wages?

    I mean if more than %50 of us weren't obese who knows... we could start a revolution or something horrible like that!

    If we could just see how much more life has to offer us than what is easily handed to us by corporate America all kinds of things would go wrong!

    Free gyms? I'm sorry but that's too much of a threat to the identity of our nation! We like potato chips and American Idol... did you forget???

    Besides, if people were going to work out they could do it for free anyways. You don't need a gym to get fit eh?

    Nice thought tho....

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    ^yeah that's true too. exercise is free!! even food is free, is you grow it yourself.

    americans are just lazy, no political intervention will change that, you have to change their hearts first, not their physical surroundings.
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    if your too lazy to go outside and walk around your block to get some exercise, then your way to lazy to actually get in the car and drive to a gym to get exercise. It's like offering free fruits and veggies to encourage healthy eating. Wouldn't work because as long as McDonalds is still on the corner, people will choose what they enjoy over what is right for them. Everyone knows beign fat is unhealthy and leads to health problems, but that doesn't make them want to get off the couch and go for a walk. All the education can be laid out along with healthy food and free gyms...but you can't force people to use it.

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    In the interest of 'equal time' I would make the point that creating a 'national gym' would follow a well established government 'trend'. The trend of course is for the government to CREATE a problem in the first place, which then allows the government to propose a 'solution' which A. limits personal freedoms, B. involves more gov't employees and regulations, and C. requires a tax increase on some portion of the US population in order to fund the costs of providing that gov't 'solution' to others for 'free', and D. negatively affects private sector businesses.






    (snip)"Nunez and most of her siblings and their spouses are unemployed and rely on government assistance and food stamps. Some have part-time jobs, but working is made more difficult with no car or public transportation…

    ‘I Just Can’t Get A Job’

    Nunez, 40, has never worked and has no high school degree. She says a car accident 17 years ago left her depressed and disabled, incapable of getting a job. Instead, she and her daughter, Angelica Hernandez, survive on a $637 Social Security check and $102 in food stamps.

    Hernandez received her high school diploma and has had several jobs in recent years. But now, because fewer restaurants and stores are hiring, she says she finds it hard to find a job. Even if she could, she says it’s particularly hard to imagine how she’ll keep it. She says she needs someone to give her a lift just to get to an interview. And with gas prices so high, she’s not sure she could afford to pay someone to drive her to work every day.

    People tell Nunez her daughter could get more money in public assistance if she had a child.

    “A lot of people have told me, ‘Why don’t your daughter have a kid?’” "(snip)


    and today yet another 'directive' from the California gov't ...



    (snip)"California Reaching Too Far?
    The CRA, however, along with the California Grocers Association, among others, feels the government is overstepping its boundaries, just a bit.

    "This is problematic," said Jot Condie, president of the CRA. "We fear that this is a potentially slippery slope where the list could go on and on & and basically restaurants would be criminalized for having an ingredient in one of their recipes."

    The CRA recently sued the City and County of San Francisco and the city's public health department over a law requiring menus to list nutritional information.

    "Consumers are smart and restaurants are very smart and know what consumers want," said Condie, who deems the law entirely unnecessary."(snip)

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    I have no problem with the govt offering incentives for those who work to stay in shape and be healthy, but creating a national gym (and mandating attendance) or outlawing junk food is draconian, IMHO. If the govt wants to open a free or low-cost establishment to give people access to gym facilities, I think local communities would be the best to put in charge.

    I also hate junk food, personally. However, not everyone responds positively to the same diet. I do horribly on a low-fat diet, and instead prefer a low carb/high fat and protein one. Instead of mandating universal dietary guidelines, people should be encouraged to empower themselves and find what works for them as individuals. Perhaps this is where incentives may spark the motivation necessary for such change. People may be given access to healthy alternatives, but forcing them is ultimately impossible.

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    Even just getting rid of corn syrup in our foods would go a long way. It is practically in freaking everything! It's so bad for people that it is actually banned in most of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keira0304 View Post

    What needs to happen is the government needs to STOP allowing companies to make and sell junk food- it should be illegal.
    You cannot be seriouse. I agree with Miss DD (lol!) it would be draconian.

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    no i'm not joking.... certain ingredients, as stated above like corn syrup, should be banned. So why not ban "artificial colors and flavors, hydrogenated oils and refined sugar too?
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    ^^^ Because then food wouldn't be so addictive, and it wouldn't sell as well! This is America. Money is the root of everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post
    ^^^ Because then food wouldn't be so addictive, and it wouldn't sell as well! This is America. Money is the root of everything.
    True...the corporate culture of America is too well entrenched in the everyday decisions that people make, even though it sucks at times. The real way to counter this is to make healthy stuff appealing, to market it as successfully as the junk. Some people can also enjoy bad stuff every so often and with no ill effect. Banning stuff won't work, as can be seen from Prohibition. Backwoods (and bathtub) candy factories would abound. Peeps would be sold on the streets, melting inside sweaty trenchcoats (ick!).

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    ^^^ and just who is going to do that and become the enemy of the most powerful force in the universe..... : *in a overpowering dooming type voice* "Corporate globalization!"

    We just all have to do our part.... if we all just figure out ways to truely encourage others to encourage others to get off their asses and get conscious about the health epidemic and possibilities outside of consumerism.... we might be able to get just -that- much closer to winning the war of humanity vs. corporation.

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    i would just like to say that all people with diabetes are not to blame for their condition not by a long shot. My good friend has been diabetic since childhood. It's very awful, and she didn't do anything to cause it or deserve it.

    Also, my grandma developed diabetes in her 70s, and she is very thin and active and healthy. Again, not her fault at all.

    That said I think a national gym is a GREAT idea! I would love that and I think it would help a lot!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDewdrop View Post
    Peeps would be sold on the streets, melting inside sweaty trenchcoats (ick!).
    Lol!! What a funny mental picture... A black market for candy.

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    you do realize, kiera, i hope, that some people cannot afford to pay a dollar a day for things? especially a prepaid $365..

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    True...the corporate culture of America is too well entrenched in the everyday decisions that people make, even though it sucks at times. The real way to counter this is to make healthy stuff appealing, to market it as successfully as the junk
    again in the interest of 'equal time' I would point out that 'government culture' has been equally to blame ... particularly so in regard to programs like Food Stamps and Welfare, where recipients are essentially handed money they can use to buy whatever sorts of foods they choose. As the picture from the NPR story I posted earlier clearly shows, the choice of foods is very probably going to be low cost, addictively tasty, but very unhealthy.

    In the 'old days', social welfare benefit recipients were given actual surplus food - with the gov't basically controlling the types and amounts of surplus food to be handed out. This of course was stopped for two main reasons ... it supposedly 'stigmatized' the social welfare recipients because they were forced to eat surplus foods that appeared 'different' from store brand food, and it bypassed the gov'ts farm subsidy system by actually requiring farmers and food producers to supply food products to the government in exchange for their subsidy payments !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    again in the interest of 'equal time' I would point out that 'government culture' has been equally to blame ... particularly so in regard to programs like Food Stamps and Welfare, where recipients are essentially handed money they can use to buy whatever sorts of foods they choose. As the picture from the NPR story I posted earlier clearly shows, the choice of foods is very probably going to be low cost, addictively tasty, but very unhealthy.

    In the 'old days', social welfare benefit recipients were given actual surplus food - with the gov't basically controlling the types and amounts of surplus food to be handed out. This of course was stopped for two main reasons ... it supposedly 'stigmatized' the social welfare recipients because they were forced to eat surplus foods that appeared 'different' from store brand food, and it bypassed the gov'ts farm subsidy system by actually requiring farmers and food producers to supply food products to the government in exchange for their subsidy payments !
    wow. if that doesn't show you what kind of a world we live in i don't know what will. What an utterly sadistic system we have!!

    Too bad we're all to busy earning money to feed our consumerism which is fed by the almighty media we are all addicted to while we sit around and either stuff our faces or obsessively control our weight to do anything about it.

    I still think there's more to what meets the eye here... something fishy is going on with the government and their ability to work around the beaurocracy is nothing but a scape goat for keeping the masses subdued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princessparis View Post
    ^^^ and just who is going to do that and become the enemy of the most powerful force in the universe..... : *in a overpowering dooming type voice* "Corporate globalization!"

    We just all have to do our part.... if we all just figure out ways to truely encourage others to encourage others to get off their asses and get conscious about the health epidemic and possibilities outside of consumerism.... we might be able to get just -that- much closer to winning the war of humanity vs. corporation.
    Very, very good point You're right that most people aren't as proactive as they could be, and this goes for any level of participation. There is no comprehensive solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britt244 View Post
    you do realize, kiera, i hope, that some people cannot afford to pay a dollar a day for things? especially a prepaid $365..
    QFT.

    I'd been surprised someone hadn't commented on that sooner. Don't forget, not everyone is working off of our salaries-I know plenty of people, growing up, who couldn't afford mcdonalds, or new clothes. Regardless of the financial breakdown on a daily basis, that IS a chunk of money to put down at once! I kind of want to link back to that old thread, the "I was SO broke" one. Sadly, this is not uncommon.

    Hell, even with the money I make dancing, I don't htink I could put that money down for a gym membership!

    Yes, it would be great to have free facilities available, and free education to market a healthy lifestyle. That's going to go a long way further than choosing between gym membership and groceries.(although i guess that choice would almost take care of the obesity issue!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zia_Abq View Post
    Even just getting rid of corn syrup in our foods would go a long way. It is practically in freaking everything! It's so bad for people that it is actually banned in most of Europe.
    I would do a jig if HFCS was banned. It's in applesauce for pete's sake! Is it really banned in Europe, or just uncommon?

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    The thing is... exercise is free. It would be a huge waste of taxpayer dollars, and would be another instance where the government would rather patch things up with an illusory quick fix rather than targeting the actual roots of the problem.

    Awareness campaigns and better health education for children would be a step in the right direction. Physical Education for me, in California of all places, was a crock. We just had to half-ass our way through some laps, half-ass our way through some poorly-demonstrated exercises, have some measurements taken, and goof off on a court or field for an hour 5x/week for a C or B which wouldn't ever matter anyway.

    If I had my way, physical education would include exercise physiology and nutrition lessons. The students would learn about calories, muscle-building, the dangers of excessive dieting and/or binging, and how to prevent sports-related injuries. That way, they would have the actual skills and knowledge at a relatively early age to at least be able to be well-informed about their food and exercise choices.

    People in general are so ignorant about nutrition (disregarding corporate incentives to keep people fat) and about how our bodies work that I think it's a much bigger problem than banning corn syrup (which I agree is shit) or ordering people to go run a mile would solve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keira0304 View Post
    no i'm not joking.... certain ingredients, as stated above like corn syrup, should be banned. So why not ban "artificial colors and flavors, hydrogenated oils and refined sugar too?
    It's very basic biology. We love fat and sugar because our ancestors needed it to survive. You can't ban fat any more than you can ban sex. We're just designed to like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post
    The thing is... exercise is free. It would be a huge waste of taxpayer dollars, and would be another instance where the government would rather patch things up with an illusory quick fix rather than targeting the actual roots of the problem.

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    Hmm, not really! If you live in say a small studio apartment, where could you excercise beyond doing maybe sit ups and leg lifts? If you live in a cold climate, it's really not practical to excercise outside during winter...esp when it gets to 20 below and beyond with windchills way lower than that, it's not even safe...
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