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    Hey everybody,

    Forgive me if this question has already been asked, but with the economy on a downturn does anyone see the direct effect in the clubs?... as far as the money you are making? I have been wondering for a long time? Im considering getting back into dancing at a club. I danced for private parties some time ago and right now working almost 60 hours a week as an lvn is just not cutting it right now.I dont ever have time for school...life..pleasure not to mention being broke...hard times. Thanks! Any input is appreciated!
    "There's still a negative attitiude in our society towards women who use a strength that's inherent - their feminity - in any way that might be considered seductive." -Demi Moore

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    Hahaha!

    Sorry, no offense, but I think 75% of our topics are about how much the economy sucks/how more 'extras' go on as a result/cheap bastards spending hours in the club and spending nothing/etc. etc.

    In one word, YES (hell yes!) the economy is hurting our industry big time. You can still make $, but theres less of it to go around, and more and more competition, so you have to work much harder.

    If you're a good hustler AND willing to put the hours in you'll succeed regardless. Best of luck to you.

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    Default Re: Economy and the dancing...

    if you're looking for an apt analogy, selling VIP rooms these days is now similar to selling houses ... the customers expect to pay less to receive the same 'goods' ... it's often necessary to throw in something 'extra' to sweeten the deal etc.

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    ^^^ Ain't it the truth! ^^^



    *sigh*


    Actually, I'm just gonna come out and say it - more and more guys expect you to 'sweeten the deal' for the price of a regular dance : /.

    Come to think of it, I've never seen a truly legal dance done where I live. Girls who air dance still (illegally) grope their own tits, (illegal) heavy grinding/boob touching/boob sucking is the norm at my club, and (obviously illegal) hand jobs, pussy flashing and fingering aren't uncommon.

    Whats worse are the guys who expect free sexual favors before they even buy a dance, or expect you to 'do something' for them first to prove you can give a 'good' dance. Just because you walk past them or say hello, they think it entitles them to grope you....

    Not saying thats always the case or that it's this way everywhere, but be forewarned, and expect more contact.

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    ^^^ well, in economic terms, the buzzword that describes both the current real estate market and the current 'strip club' market condition is classic 'deflation' !

    - economic conditions in general have left potential 'buyers' with less of money to spend

    - Too many 'sellers' now exist in relation to the number of able / willing 'buyers'

    - Many of the 'sellers' face increasing levels of financial distress, which makes them highly 'motivated'

    - Many of the 'buyers' recognize that the relative surplus of 'supply', in conjunction with the existance of highly 'motivated' sellers, puts them in a position where they can offer low-ball prices and/or demand 'sweeteners'

    - Many of the 'sellers' are willing to accept those low-ball prices and provide 'sweeteners' to close the deal in order to relieve immediate financial distress, even though doing so constitutes accepting a personal 'loss' (in one form or another)

    - every 'sale' that is 'publicized' (in one form or another) as having taken place at a low-ball price or with 'sweeteners' thrown in serves as a yardstick for future 'buyers' to offer even lower prices and/or demand even more 'sweeteners'

    - 'sellers' who are less motivated, i.e. less willing to make price concessions or to provide 'sweeteners', are increasingly unable to make 'sales'.

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    Hey...great analogy..thanks!!! I figured that would be so..sheesh!!
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    It is happening everywhere - cars, trucks, financial services...

    We are living in a historic time and many don't realize it.

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    I was laughing yesterday at work becuz a drug dealer was trying to sell a 20 for 8 dollars to a dancer/coke addict/prositute and she actaully told him she didn't make enough to pay that trying to talk him into paying 5 and getting a free dance(becuz then she break even after paying the dj). Now we know the economy has to be hitting a real low when drugs and sex are not selling as ussual.
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    ^

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    thanks, melonie! what a comprehensive explanation. i love the way that basic market principles apply so well to erotic dancing.

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    ^^^ well, at one time (i.e. the mid-90's), the exotic dancing business model was 'free market capitalism' at its best. Unfortunately, there has been a great deal of 'market manipulation' and 'market regulation' since then. For example ...

    - an IRS regulation that strip club business entertainment expenses could no longer be deducted (as the result of a 1998 sex discrimination lawsuit brought by female stockbrokers) chased away a good 1/3rd of strip club customers / customer dollars i.e. businessmen entertaining clients.

    - various city / state laws were enacted which restricted 'legal' levels of contact between dancers and customers to de-facto 'unsalable' levels. As a result, 100% 'legal' dancers earnings potentials have been severely reduced. But perhaps more importantly, the Moral Hazard created by these laws (i.e. that the legal penalty for touching a customer's shoulder is now often the same as the legal penalty for giving a BJ or HJ) has actually produced the exact opposite result in strip club contact levels versus the intent of the lawmakers ! Not to mention the effects these contact laws have had on customer 'contact level' expectations, or the effects these contact laws have had on exotic dancers, since today's successful exotic dancer business model now routinely involves breaking the letter of the law on a nightly basis. Given the Moral Hazard that has been introduced, performing a light contact lap dance or a blowjob are now legally equivalent in some states / cities, but provide far different levels of financial reward !

    - in some cities, corporate clubs have managed to effectively 'corner the market' in terms of controlling dancer work opportunities. Both as a result of directives in the corporate clubs, and by equivalence / collusion in other clubs, the 'cornered market' now assures that every dancer will be charged a significant percentage of her 'gross earnings' by club management at every club in town. This 'market corner' was arguably pioneered by the Rick's corporate IPO, the DejaVu / Hustler merger and the franchising of Scores in the late 90's-early 00's. This has obviously resulted in a fundamental change in the exotic dancing business model i.e. dancers now having to pay out 25-35-50% of their 'gross sales' to the clubowners in the form of stage fees, percentage splits of their private dance / VIP room sales, etc. (if they want to work in any club that provides access to customers with real money). Prior to the development of this 'cornered market', dancers were essentially free to keep almost 100% of their 'gross sales'.

    so yes there are a great number of directly applicable business principles which affect the exotic dancing business model - including market regulation and market 'manipulation' !

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    Last edited by Melonie; 08-03-2008 at 05:11 AM.

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