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    Default Re: Is this considered stealing?

    LOL. Hustling with other girls is always an eye opener, huh?

    I would never do this on purpose, by myself. I do think it's stealing. I've definitely been in situations with double dances where the other girl is "hustling" the shit out of the customer and I've more or less been glad to have the money.

    If I were you, I wouldn't go taking this girl's example, but whatever... don't beat yourself up over it either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I think maybe what Joplin meant was that it was the other girl who was culpable, and not the OP?
    Yha. I was trying to say that I thought the situation was wrong, but the potential drama of calling out the girl and then losing the guy and possibly still looking like a cheat or rat wouldn't be worth it for me. It sucks for the guy but self preservation prevails for me. I'd have just gone with the flow and not work with her again.

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    It is tempting to want to take a little more for doing a little less when the guy is wasted. I had one last night, but I danced for every song he paid for and didn't try to tell him he got more songs than he really did. He ended up spending $375. I don't think I'd have made nearly that much off of him if I had tried to con him.

    You didn't necessarily do anything wrong, although I can understand feeling a little guilty over the situation. Like others have said, I'd just avoid working with that girl again.

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    I think that's a dirty hustle, and yes it is DEFINITELY stealing. It wasn't your fault or your idea, but honestly....not nice at all. As far as the him giving her a hundred and thinking it was a twenty...well that's more a gray area for me, but honestly, I would probably say something. Every time I have people give me a bigger tip for being honest anyway. In the future, just playfully say to the guy "So and so and I have to have a secret confrence about what we're going to do to you!" and then take her aside and tell her you aren't down with theiving. Really, honesty is the best policy. The ONLY time I ever took money was when a drunk guy took me and my girlfriend back to VIP, bought a bottle of champagne, paid for it, then we asked to be paid and he wouldn't pay us and freaked out and left (we hadn't danced yet but had been back there a long time.) He dropped two hundreds on the ground as he paid for the champagne and I put my feet over them....hehehe..but that is different since he like, stole my time.
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    Wait so you have like a $50 house fee and get $9 a song when the club charges $20 because you even have to pay out a juke box?! No wonder you're happy you made $500. PFT!

    If you pay jukebox vip.. dollar a song... 20 songs... $80 an hour in the VIP?!


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    a dirty hustle? come on our job is dirty. we lie to guys all night long to try and get their money we tell them how attractive they are, laugh at their unfunny jokes, and ignore their shitty breath....

    a guy who cant keep track of what hes spending his money on is no skin off our ass. consider it an expensive lesson, if he even noticed!

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    I would not have done that. But I can see it put you in an uncomfortable position.

    Stay clear of Kayla.

    Lesson learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.breathe.in View Post
    a dirty hustle? come on our job is dirty. we lie to guys all night long to try and get their money we tell them how attractive they are, laugh at their unfunny jokes, and ignore their shitty breath....

    a guy who cant keep track of what hes spending his money on is no skin off our ass. consider it an expensive lesson, if he even noticed!
    We provide them with a service - and that service involves making them feel handsome and special. It is the same, nor is it comparable to stealing from them. What I do is an honest night's work, and I object strenuously to the notion that it is a kind of thievery.
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    The guy may not have noticed when he handed the money over, but what happens when he counts his money the next day and realises that $100 is gone?

    He can assume:

    a) he gave the wrong tip
    b) a dancer blatantly pickpocketed him (it happens!)

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    c) he lost control of himself and spend way more money than he realised

    In any case, $100 isn't a 'drop in the bucket' to most people, and guys get wary of entering clubs if they know it'll break them financially. Ripping people off is NO WAY to generate repeat business!

    Had this girl been honest and given his change back, he probobly would've been very impressed by her honesty, and given your club a good word of mouth. Whats better, an extra $80 right away, or more customers in the long run who might spend hundreds or more?

    A shame that too many girls in this biz are instant gratification oriented, and don't think of how to generate long term wealth : /.

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    This is a tough one. What you did is techically stealing as you took money for a service that you did not deliver. I understand that it wasn't your fault or idea and if I had been in your situation I probably would have kept quiet in order to save drama and then never worked with that girl again.

    As for the tip, it would depend on the guy. If the guy had been nice, polite and behaved himself through the dance I would have told him he had tipped too much. If he had been grabby and rude I would have kept the extra as asshole tax.

    As for the fees you pay, I'm not surprised that the dancers in your club feel the need to operate like this, the club is taking waaaaaay too big a cut of your money. Is there any other clubs in the area you could work that has a fairer house fee system?
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    It seems like you were drawn into it by her. I agree that it's bad business. He may not have realized off top, but who says he won't and when he comes back you may lose a good paying customer. I've had guys drop money and I'll pick it up and give it back and they usually tell me to keep it for being honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Yes, it's stealing.

    Why wouldn't you just take his money in exchange for legitimate services, rather than screwing him over? Like, sheer joy of it?
    I agree. It's a fucked up thing to do. I don't make my money like that. He probably did realise later when he sobered up and prob wont come back to the club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Definitely not ethical, but he did voluntarily hand over the money, so not stealing.
    That is absolutely incorrect. Theft is far more complex a crime than merely snatching a person's money and running away. It is comparable to changing the price tag on an item and then paying the lesser amount for it, or being handed back too much change (and realising it) and keeping it. Both have the requisite mens rea for theft.

    I don't think the OP did anything wrong and I can see how u were in a difficult position. But that other chick is a ROB.
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    karma is a bitch and i dont really think you were at fault, but everyone keeps saying not to work with this girl....FUCK , id be afraid to around her!!!! she'll knowingly fuck a customer who says she won't fuck you? when your money may be more accessible (not sayin you would just leave it around but , ya know ) it says a lot more about her character than it does yours. i bet she's not sitting at home having a moral dilema about it!!!!

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    What club in PA do you work at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leelee lah View Post
    WTF!!!! that clubs takes almost 75% of YOUR money.
    No wonder that girl feels the need to STEAL(yes it was stealing)
    Don't you think that's fucked up? I know you're new and everything, but your club seems really shitty and you should think about finding somewhere else to work.

    I also think you should avoid working with other girls unless you can't help it. Just do your thing, and continue to be ethical. You will never get repeat customers ripping guys off, which I think you understand by now. It hurts everyone in the long run when decent girls turn into ROBs when they see that they can make a little extra money every night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.breathe.in View Post
    but he didnt complain and didnt mention anything, so he could possibly have not cared or not noticed, not that it makes "stealing" any better, but he should have paid more attention.
    I have to disagree with this. It sounds like you are saying it's stealing only if the victim (yes, I mean that word) recognizes it at the time. Most theft occurs with the victim only being aware of the act after the fact (in the case of white collar crimes, it could be years).

    Stealing occurs whenever you have wrongfully taken something away from another person. If I offer you a dollar for 3 apples and you give me 1 apple, then you have stolen the difference in value because it was wrong for you to take that money. It would be right to either give me the 3 apples I paid for or to give me back the money for the additional 2 apples.

    That said, I recognize the OP was in a difficult position and that the other girl seemed to be the one doing the dirty dealing. Still, the OP was told at the time what was going on and she allowed it to happen and benefited from it so it's not so clear cut that it's only the other girls fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikkiWest View Post
    That said, I recognize the OP was in a difficult position and that the other girl seemed to be the one doing the dirty dealing. Still, the OP was told at the time what was going on and she allowed it to happen and benefited from it so it's not so clear cut that it's only the other girls fault.
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    Those club fees are redic!

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    yes that's wrong. that's why guys are always scared of strippers. but good job on making all that money.

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    well, if he was a drunk asshole and grabby or whatever, i consider the move justified.

    Also, with the club "pimp cuts" you have to find a way to get money somehow.

    Dont feel bad, it was the other girls doing, you went along with it and its ok. If he was a really good guy and you were the hustler I think that is the only way you should feel bad.

    Technically the club is stealing from you with the percentages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexis81 View Post
    What club in PA do you work at?

    I work at G10 in wilkes barre
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