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    I'd just say thank you and try really hard to hold back the laughter. You bet we'd be making fun of him later in the DR though.
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    When I worked at Hooter's I waited on a table with 2 teenage couples (knew that wasn't gonna be a good tip from the get go) but I was still really friendly and fast and they left me a $0.15 tip. I was so pissed.. I'd rather you just not leave a tip if you're going to leave a shitty one. What an insult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewMoon View Post
    That is awful!! And I assume you have housefees too? That is comparable to renting a property to a business....... and then charging 50% of their profits on top of their rent.
    No housefee, no tip outs either, but still it sucks that for the 200 a custie pays for the CR I get 80-100. I make this known to the customer too-just so when I do ask for a tip he doesn't think I'm just being greedy by taking his whole 200 and then some.

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    From a customer's point of view ... I would definitely say something if I were you, should that happen again. My first time in an sc, I had no idea about tipouts and tip[ping etiquette, and I got two LD's from the nicest chick ever, and I unfortunately didn't tip her a dime. Had she said something politely, I absolutely would've given her more...I just honestly didn't know.

    Of course you'll deal with your cheap customers, but give some the benefit of the doubt that they were uninformed.






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    ^That brings up a good point. I mean, just about all guys know to tip on the stage, a dollar or more....

    But maybe they really don't think about what a good tip is for a dance? So, what then? Still say nothing?




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    I've totally dropped the hint ... "I love it when guys tip me after my dance, because it means they liked the dance!"

    Love it!

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    ^The few times I ask for a tip I do it while we're walking to the couchdance room. I hint about how awesome it was the I got the $100 or whatever. I never do it, right after the dance though..







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    A couple tricks,
    if a custie asks you if you know or remember his buddy "so and so", wether you do or not say something like "oh yeah I remember him, he was a really good tipper, he tipped me $20 the last time I gave him a lapdance!"
    totally agree with the other girls that bringing up tipping for a lapdance however you can during pre-dance chit chat helps a lot!
    Pit guys against each other, when you dance for a friend of someone you danced for earlier, mention that their friend "was a good tipper" while walking back. Hopefully, he will not want to be outdone.
    Keep a $20 or $10 from another country in your bag (or on your garter, as I guess many wear)when a guy comments, causually say "oh yeah, I danced for this guy traveling on business ealier, and he didn't have any american money left, so he tipped me with that, but its only worth $x in U.S."
    This one acomplish's more than one thing, a.you should tip the dancer after your dance. b. you should feel bad if you don't, or are out of money, and should take steps to correct the problem and c. you are cool and worldy and dance for custies from all over the world! I always have a foreign bill on me at all times, the more exotic the better!
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    He probably meant well but didn't know any better.

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    "Oh sweety, I can't take that, once I split it up after tipping out my doorman, it'd be a .25 tip...*wink* and you know I'm not a .25 kind of girl!"[/QUOTE]

    That's a good one! A lot of the customers in my club are under 21 and just plain don't know better. They make like, a grand a month in addition to it. Often times when I ask for a tip they say, "well how about I buy another dance instead." I always agree since they're probably not going to tip 15 dollars on a 25 dollar dance, and I'm already right there, almost naked on their lap. I know, tips aren't nearly what they are in the city in the town I work in, but if you're a good hustler you can get quality tips. Making money at my club is done by selling tons of dances, which isn't hard. They are so young and shy around women that they don't know how to say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockell View Post
    It just seems like an intentional slap in the face to be handed four quarters as a tip for a twenty dollar dance or worse, a two hundred dollar CR.
    That's what I was going to say. Tipping $1 like that, seems like someone was trying to make a point.

    I have heard of that type of thing being done in restaurants before, when the service was AWFUL. Leaving a penny, or a dime. Kinda makes the point real clear. Sorry that happened to you - I would be offended and kinda pissed.
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    Another customers perspective would be this:

    It is not our fault that you pay ever increasing stage fees and have tipouts and maybe have to pay half of anything you get for LD's and CR's to the house. It is not our fault that things are not like back in the 90's when you could work two days a week and make 100 grand a year. So it is also not our "responsibilty" to "make up the difference"

    These are all conditions that you agree to when you choose to work whereever.

    I would think that if I just spent X hundred dollars on lap dances or VIP room time that that would represent a good sale for you and that should be enough, You know the deal up front. You sell 10 lapdances for 200 bucks and make 100. 500 bucks for and hour of CR time and you make 250. If you think you should get it all or at least a great % that is between you and the club. I shouldn't feel compelled to spend another 10-15 % just to skew your take more in the direction that you want it to be.

    I have always thought that if I was really liking what you did then I would just buy more dances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonehome View Post
    Another customers perspective would be this:

    It is not our fault that you pay ever increasing stage fees and have tipouts and maybe have to pay half of anything you get for LD's and CR's to the house. It is not our fault that things are not like back in the 90's when you could work two days a week and make 100 grand a year. So it is also not our "responsibilty" to "make up the difference"

    These are all conditions that you agree to when you choose to work whereever.

    I would think that if I just spent X hundred dollars on lap dances or VIP room time that that would represent a good sale for you and that should be enough, You know the deal up front. You sell 10 lapdances for 200 bucks and make 100. 500 bucks for and hour of CR time and you make 250. If you think you should get it all or at least a great % that is between you and the club. I shouldn't feel compelled to spend another 10-15 % just to skew your take more in the direction that you want it to be.

    I have always thought that if I was really liking what you did then I would just buy more dances.
    I look at this way tho... when I go to a restaurant, for example, I leave a good tip because I know that's how the waiter/waitress makes their money. I'm not thinking... oh I'm not gonna tip this person very good because they already get paid by the hour. If I dont have enough money for my meal and a tip, I don't bother going to a restaurant. So if a customer buys 10 lapdances and is aware that we don't get to keep all of the money we made from these dances, he should tip just as he would on a 200 meal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonehome View Post
    It is not our fault that you pay ever increasing stage fees and have tipouts and maybe have to pay half of anything you get for LD's and CR's to the house. It is not our fault that things are not like back in the 90's when you could work two days a week and make 100 grand a year. So it is also not our "responsibilty" to "make up the difference"
    I don't this is anyone's contention - although you are not the first customer to make that mistake. (You guys are just so defensive.) I think the argument is
    a) when we have to pay out more that our job more closely compares with other "tipping jobs" in North America
    b) that as our costs have increased and our prices have not, tipping may be considered a reasonable way to subsidize the low cost of dances.

    Like no - it's certainly not your "fault". But "fault" is not at issue in the discussion.
    These are all conditions that you agree to when you choose to work whereever.
    I hate it when guys say this. It is just not a... correct thing to say. Not every working condition one "agrees" to is a reasonable or even a valid condition. If that were the case there would be no such thing as employment standards.

    I would think that if I just spent X hundred dollars on lap dances or VIP room time that that would represent a good sale for you and that should be enough,
    That's not really the point either, is it? The point is whether it is considered a tipping service in the geographic location in which it occurred - not whether the customer thinks that tipping is good, bad or whether the wage should be enough.

    I shouldn't feel compelled to spend another 10-15 % just to skew your take more in the direction that you want it to be.
    And yet. In other venues you spend another 10-15% (hopefully 20, at least occasionally) to artificially keep other kinds of prices low, and skew other people's take home, and you are pretty socially compelled to do it. There are situations in which this could be compared. Not where I am; but some places.

    I have always thought that if I was really liking what you did then I would just buy more dances.
    A reasonable point of view some places. Other places - not so much. Like there is no point in someone coming from a non-tipping culture, setting foot in a restaurant here and saying something similar to all the service jobs that rely on tips, right?
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    I would contend that the prices of dances are not "artificially low" so that are tipping needs to "subsidize" them. From our perspective we have always paid "full price" what ever that amount is. The fact that you don't get to keep it all anymore or just get to keep less does not change the price to us.

    As I said before the deal you have with the club as far as keeping the entire thing or just a better cut of it is between you and the club, that is not our issue and not our problem to solve.

    I don't think that the waitress and the 200 dollar meal is an apt comparison. The waitress involved does not get 100 dollars out of that 200 so tipping her would be apropriate in the same way that when you are on stage if you are my type or maybe just one of my faves going up and tipping you is appropriate. Most people know that for your typical waitress tips represent the MAJORITY of the money that they make.

    At most clubs lap dances and VIP room time is the big thing and you get a cut of that, so that is the source of most of the money that you make. It is just not accurate to say that you ONLY work for tips, it is not even the source of the majority of what you make.

    On other threads I have read discussions where dancers contend that they should be tipped for just coming over and asking if I customer wants a dance.

    Even in SC's tipping is appropriate even expected at some times but not all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post
    I don't expect tips, I just appreciate them. If anyone ever insinuated that I didn't tip them enough...I would most certainly NEVER do business with that person again.
    Agreed.

    I would rather have the guy come back in to see me again then a tip, big or small.

    I also don't get the comparison to waitressing ~ we're dancers.

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    Um. Okay. I mean, I don't think any reasonable person would dispute that a price that has been stagnant for at least 10 years is artificially low, and that when we lose $5 of that price without making it up from the consumer... like yes, that is the exact situation that "tipping" typically addresses here.

    You seem to be objecting to the comparison with the waitress based on the fact that we make a higher wage. I'm not sure that is a good reason for dismissing it - I think our work is worth more - and indeed, I specifically mentioned all tipping jobs not just waitresses. I get that you don't want to tip; but who we tip here is not generally dependent on how much money you think they make or how much money you think they deserve. Moreover, I agree that the job of exotic dancer does not map perfectly onto any other job - all jobs have specific elements unique to them. That's why I said "it more closely resembles jobs where tipping is socially mandatory" not "it is exactly like waitressing."

    I also find your assertion that the consumer has no presence in employment and labour disputes self-serving, completely out of touch with the world and just plain wrong.
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    ^ I just disagree. Personally I have never expected a tip as a dancer. I did as a waitress yes. I just think that in BOTH professions it is a bit tacky to expect someone to give you a tip, more so in the former.

    In all reality some men are just a bit clueless when it comes to tipping overall.

    I probably should have worded it better in my OP but I am tired.

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    I actually feel that dancers deserve tips MORE than waitresses.


    Just last week I went to a fancy schmancy NYC restaurant. The waiter was great, he cracked a few jokes, poured wine, communicated well, etc... he did a wonderful job.

    However, I don't feel that what he did (flawless though it was) warranted the over $100 tip I left for him. He was working 4 tables at the time too... so 2 hours of work-- multiplied by roughly $100---times 4..... equals.... SHIT! I should wait tables!!!

    Like I said... pouring some wine, clearing a few plates, being charming and all... it's great. But I put up with more BS, come into physical contact with gross and gropey customers, and carry a heavier burden at work than any waitress ever did.

    A waiter is a waiter. I am the concierge, the service staff, the entertainment, and the hot date all at once.

    Yet tipping a waitress is mandatory... and tipping a stripper is NOT!?!?!


    Look, I'm not saying that waitstaff is undeserving of tips. I just feel that dancers should be getting tipped all the time too. If you neglect to leave a tip for a waitress you are a scumbag.... but not tipping a dancer is just fine for some reason.

    It's fucked up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arizona_Angel View Post
    ^ I just disagree. Personally I have never expected a tip as a dancer. I did as a waitress yes. I just think that in BOTH professions it is a bit tacky to expect someone to give you a tip, more so in the former.

    In all reality some men are just a bit clueless when it comes to tipping overall.

    I probably should have worded it better in my OP but I am tired.
    That was meant for the post above yours. I'm not actually commenting on whether or not dancers should be tipped. Just pointing out that a customer has got the argument wrong - dancers are not arguing that anything is the customer's fault; just that higher payouts and stagnating prices makes the cost artificially low for the customer and a way that is frequently offset in North America is by a tip and that paying out on sales is a characteristic of tippable jobs. These are the arguments for tips - you don't have to buy them. I dislike seeing customer couch their vitriol about our earnings in misrepresentations of dancer arguments is all.

    There are situations where I have expected tips as a dancer, even here. Like when I've been inconvenienced for example. And everyone I know who has ever waited a table definitely expects a tip. I mean, they pay out on expected tips. They definitely expect to earn them. It might be considered "tacky" to harass a customer or client over the issue (although, even then, I think one might debate where the tackiness really lies) but I can't see that it is tacky to expect someone to pay you... what everyone knows is the standard way you get paid. I mean you pay the bar back 3% of your sales on the premise that everyone tipped 15%... you definitely expect to have made that money. Or else... well, you are just losing money off your already pitiful cheque every night.
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