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    Default You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored...

    ???

    *Sniff* *Sniff*

    Do i got cooties or something?

    I go into a club tonight i haven't been in in like 13 months (This is important, it might as well be a new club), it's raining outside (pretty hard) so it's not too busy inside (important as well), not so busy dancers outnumber anyone but busy enough that i got my pick of places to sit except for the bar and a few tables, but girls are on stage are going whole sets with no one tipping them.

    A little background, i got home from work, took off my button up and put on a white short sleeve no collar but no t-shirt-shirt, and did nothing else. I wore the same navy blue slacks i wore to work, same pull on leather shoes, same belt. I have to admit i haven't shaved in a few days (I don't like shaving unless my job makes me, which mine doesn't unless you look like Mr. Homeless) i figure "men have hair on their faces, deal with it."

    I tip every dancer that goes on stage. I'm not sitting in gynecologist row but I'm going to the stage and tipping her. Some other guys are but they are all tipping a single or two. The dancers were all smiles when i was there (naturally, if i'm there on a slow night i try to pay attention to what other guys are tipping and outtip them if i can) but they ALL bee-lined for the bar once they got down. All kept sitting with the same guys, and i kept sitting nursing my friggin beer and my thoughts.

    Now, i figure regulars, regulars, regulars, but ALL THE GIRLS.

    Now, i'm not too butthurt about this, but i was in gear i could have worn to work on Friday (hell, you can wear jeans on Friday, i had just replaced my hot ass button up for a white short sleeved shirt, so i was better dressed than my Fridays usually are).

    Any thoughts? I'm not looking for encouragement on what whackos they are for leaving a "prime cut" like me sit (ha ha ha), i'd like to know how to proactively not have this happen again!

    As a customer, if it doesn't take tipping twice as much as the guy next to you to get a dancer to sit with you what does it take?

    Did i just come in on a weird night? Seemed like one to me.

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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    When you go up to tip her, if you can, you should ask if she could join you (but, obviously, only if you plan on spending some money on her or buying a dance, not just if you expect her to sit and chat for free).

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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    Hmm, that used to happen to me sometimes. I always thought it was because I looked young for my age (i.e. less money). Then I started dressing overly-well for my club and tipping more like triple at the stage. I've rarely felt a shortage of attention since.
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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    Come to my club I'll dance for you
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    when regulars turn cheap, it's time to kill em off.
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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    Sometimes when I see a guy engrossed in the stage, he goes down on my "to approach" priority list because I assume he is happy where he is.

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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    Come to my club I'll dance for you
    Promises, promises. Jaizaine, i'd love to come to your club. LOVE to. You have just the right amount of bitch to attract me (NO offense).

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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap View Post
    Promises, promises. Jaizaine, i'd love to come to your club. LOVE to. You have just the right amount of bitch to attract me (NO offense).
    None taken. That actually made me smile
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    when regulars turn cheap, it's time to kill em off.
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    There are many stereotypes about the industry that I work in. Sometimes they can be true but human beings are very diverse creatures and cannot be pigeon-holed into one category.

    Some of the most effortlessly beautiful, kind, intelligent, successful, motivated, driven and ridiculously hilarious women that I have ever met have been dancers. I've met the best friends that I've ever had in this industry.

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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    Cross-reference my report of one night in Phoenix.

    (If you don't want to read the whole thing, and I can't blame you there, the operative phrase is: "And I never saw her again," repeated a few times.)

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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    NM, your point makes sense, but he wasn't camped out on tip row. He was walking up to the stage each time to tip the girls individually. Tip them more than the others, actually. If that's not best practices for stage tipping, then I don't know what is.

    There's an increasing number of clubs where you could walk right in with two dozen Benjis stapled to your forehead and every single one of the dancers will make a beeline back to wherever else she was sitting before she went on stage. It's this crazy rubber-band effect. It's particularly odd when they go back to the bar with the other dancers and just sit there idly and smoke or something.

    So this is one of those "it's not you, it's them" scenarios.

    I know you want to be approached and not have to do the approaching. But if you want to get a dance or sit and talk with The Rubberband Girls, you may just have to walk right up to one of them and ask.

    Other options are to up your tipping game to $20s at stage, or always tip with another girl (let the girl tip the benjis). This makes you stand out on several levels.

    These scenarios sometimes happen because the club has an inertial effect where things have sucked for hours and after getting turned down endlessly, the girls just decide the whole damn night is a loss. Poor sales practices, but it happens.

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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    Here's where you miss the mark TOO, though you can't help it that you are no Jean Dixon (edit: and that is NOT an insult). Ideally i want to pick my dancer not her pick me. Though i have had some terrific times with dancers that have picked me (in that dancer way). HOWEVER i don't (ever) try to use words i use money and usually booze. Serously. Since stripperweb has pounded into me the importance of buying a dancer a drink and not to care too much if she drinks it or not But i'm not gonna offer to a woman to buy her a drink while she's naked! There's still that much of me left.
    Edit: To clarify, see above, it's explained there.
    Last edited by Madcap; 07-30-2008 at 10:59 PM.

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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    I have no idea why no one came over to you. Seriously. Anyone who tips me onstage, I will at least go over afterward and ask for a dance.
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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap View Post
    ... I tip every dancer that goes on stage. I'm not sitting in gynecologist row but I'm going to the stage and tipping her. Some other guys are but they are all tipping a single or two. The dancers were all smiles when i was there (naturally, if i'm there on a slow night i try to pay attention to what other guys are tipping and outtip them if i can) but they ALL bee-lined for the bar once they got down. All kept sitting with the same guys, and i kept sitting nursing my friggin beer and my thoughts. ...

    You mentioned in your title that you're tipping "twice as much", but then you say that the guys are just tipping a buck or two. Does that mean you're tipping $2-$4, but probabaly not more than $5? If that's the case, while I'm sure it is appreciated, it's likely not enough to send a clear signal that you'd like company. If I were in a place sitting like you were, a bit back from the rail, and there were others in tip row, than usually I'd tip at least a $1 to each dancer who took the stage. If she was a decent performer I'd tip $5, but if I clearly wanted to let it be known that I'd like for her to stop by after her set it would be a min of $10, but probably more likely $20+.

    Tipping more than the norm is usually enough to get some attention. However, I like to drop an invite in there as well. As you know SC's tend to be on the darker side, so sometimes your tip doesn't always get recognized. In fact I've known some dancers who actually felt like it was rude to always be looking directly at what a customer tips them, so without a verbal invite they would not get the hint from just tipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap View Post
    The dancers were all smiles when i was there (naturally, if i'm there on a slow night i try to pay attention to what other guys are tipping and outtip them if i can) but they ALL bee-lined for the bar once they got down. All kept sitting with the same guys, and i kept sitting nursing my friggin beer and my thoughts.
    Madcap, were you and I in the same club last night?

    Or is this problem just getting to be pandemic?

    I'm getting a bit tired of "regulars" (and I mean more like club regulars not dancer regulars as it always seems to be a group of guys) hogging the entertainment (often multiple dancers) when it at least seems that to my eye that they're not spending anything.

    Thing is, this wouldn't happen if the dancers didn't let them.
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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    You would have been on my radar ( tipping , but not in the front row so that it's rude to take you away ).

    I know that part of the SC experience is just enjoying the switch of girl approacing you instead of you approaching girl , but this also is a nice way to enjoy a club in a hussle free way. You should have just picked a girl you liked and asked her to dance for you or enjoy a drink with you ( while being tipped a bit for her time of course ).

    Another reason that this might have happened is that you might have come early into a shift and their girls were not in hussle mode yet. Which again ... you could have worked to your advatange by choosing your favorite and not having to turn others down or be pestered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verfolgung View Post
    You mentioned in your title that you're tipping "twice as much", but then you say that the guys are just tipping a buck or two. Does that mean you're tipping $2-$4, but probabaly not more than $5? If that's the case, while I'm sure it is appreciated, it's likely not enough to send a clear signal that you'd like company. If I were in a place sitting like you were, a bit back from the rail, and there were others in tip row, than usually I'd tip at least a $1 to each dancer who took the stage. If she was a decent performer I'd tip $5, but if I clearly wanted to let it be known that I'd like for her to stop by after her set it would be a min of $10, but probably more likely $20+
    Singles, but wads of them. I don't know, more than 5$ less than 15$. I wasn't counting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewMoon View Post
    Sometimes when I see a guy engrossed in the stage, he goes down on my "to approach" priority list because I assume he is happy where he is.
    I wish more (well all) dancers thought this way.

    Madcap... what works for me... when I sit at the stage I actually do not want to be approached at that time. That is my time to enjoy a drink, relax, watch the show, like you tip, see who is working. When I'm done at the stage, I go get the dancer I want to spend the evening with. I don't think I have ever met a dancer in an SC who didn't appreciate a customer coming to get her vs the other way around, so ...

    Maybe it is no more complex then what New Moon is saying here; they have mutually agreed to leave customers at the stage be at the stage. If so, where is this club? Sounds like my kind of place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    I wish more (well all) dancers thought this way.

    Madcap... what works for me... when I sit at the stage I actually do not want to be approached at that time.
    But he wasn't sitting at the stage.

    However, I agree with her. When a guy seems really intot he stage show, I don't usually approach him. I walk by slowly and smile and see if he stops me.

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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    nah, they just kinda went from the (full) bar to the stage and back.

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    Lazy strippers.

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    ^^Seriously. I mean, isn't it rude to not at least thank a guy who's tipped you on stage? I say this as a Canadian dancer, where the tips are not very common.

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    I dont know why- I would try a different club. I have never not at least said hi to someone that tipped me; even if i already had dances lined up, I thank the big tippers and ask them if they want me to come back when I'm done.

    I guess those girls just dont like money. As far as I can tell, you did everything right.
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    what time were you there?

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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    well, considering that you like to choose your dancers, instead of them choosing you, why didn't you just ask for dances from one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by she sells sanctuary View Post
    well, considering that you like to choose your dancers, instead of them choosing you, why didn't you just ask for dances from one?
    You know, I've asked girls for dances in this type of club environment. Here's what happens four times out of five.

    1. You ask the dancer for the dance from the stage.
    2. She agrees with a nudge.

    Then one of the following:

    3A. She gets to you as soon as possible as if she wants to get it over with.
    4A. She does the most clinical dance she possibly can, not so much trying to make the experience more interesting so she can sell multiples.
    5A. As soon as its over, you give her the money, she gives a nonchalant thank you, maybe a wink if you threw on a little extra.
    6A. She goes back to the "party".
    7A. You feel like an ass because you've just wasted $20-30.

    Or :

    3B. She wanders off into the abyss never to see you again, often running back and forth between the "party", and the other "party" apparently going on in the dressing room.
    4B. Somehow when 3B happens, other girls start coming over, of course you have your heart set on so and so, so you have to decline their offer.
    5B. As soon as you've realized your mistake and want to do that dance you've turned down, those gals are either busy, or have been sucked into the same black hole your previous choice fell into.
    6B. You still have your money, but you still feel like an ass.

    The point Madcap is trying to make here ladies is that in another time, the amount of attention a customer got was often directly proportional to the amount of money he spent. Somehow, over the last five years or so, we're seeing an alarmingly increasing number of situations where this situation has somehow inverted.

    And I agree a customer needs to do a little more legwork when he's not a familiar face in the crowd, but if things have gotten to the point where non-regulars and out of towners have to beg you gals to take their money, well...something is a bit wrong with the Kool Aid.
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    Default Re: You're tipping the stage twice as well as any other guy and you still get ignored

    I was just thinking about something.....

    one time I went to an SC with a group of friends and one of my friends was sitting there pretty quietly the entire night, babysitting his beer. No dancers approached him the entire night. When I was talking with a dancer, she pointed at him and told me that my friend doesn't look like he was having a good time. And then I asked her if that's why no dancers were approaching him, and she said "yes."

    Were you having a good time? (appearance-wise) Or you were giving off a bad vibe?

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