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    came across these videos and thought I'd post links here for everyone's benefit. I hope you watch them and never have to use the advice provided.

    Don't Talk To The Police Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
    A law school professor and former criminal defense attorney tells you why you should never agree to be interviewed by the police.

    Don't Talk To Cops Part2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE
    An experienced police officer tells you why you should never agree to be interviewed by the police.
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    Default Re: Don't Talk To Cops

    also if you are on public property and such and a cop starts to pat you down or asks to pat you down you can tell them to stop or say no. They need a search warrant or something to have the right to do that.




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    ^^^ no they don't.

    So you are saying I should nbot have talked to cops when I saw a crime and moved to prevent them? Let's see, rapist would have gone free (I was only witness), 3 guys assaulting 1 homeless guyalso, and a few others.)

    It's all about context.

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    ^Obviously that's not what she's saying.

    HOWEVER it's important and empowering for the women on this site.

    I'm quite sure that you may not face the same kind of police harassment that we do. You know, being strip searched and cavity checked in a SC dressing room, or hauled to jail for prostitution after a club raid and you refused to blow the officer.

    Or being hassled by the cops just walking to the mall, because you have big tits and he's in a position of authority and he feels like he "can".

    Great find, Oksana. Always remember that just because someone is in a position of authority doesn't mean they're "good" or that they're doing something right or legal when they interact with you.

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    Cops aren't allowed to search your car without a warrent. If you get pulled over and they ask to search your car, just say no. If they try to give you a hard time about saying no, say something like, "Are you ordering me to let you search my car?" (I'm always paranoid that I'll be targeted driving home from work at 2am.) A lot of people don't know this stuff, so cops easily take advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    ^^^ no they don't.

    So you are saying I should nbot have talked to cops when I saw a crime and moved to prevent them? Let's see, rapist would have gone free (I was only witness), 3 guys assaulting 1 homeless guyalso, and a few others.)

    It's all about context.
    Luckily, the criminals didn't know their rights AND they were guilty.
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    But please keep in mind, not all cops are bad. There are quite a few of them who decided to be cops to actually help people.

    Not creating a cops = good/bad guy debate here. But for every bad one (and yes there are some really bad ones) there are several good ones.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella21 View Post
    Cops aren't allowed to search your car without a warrent. If you get pulled over and they ask to search your car, just say no. If they try to give you a hard time about saying no, say something like, "Are you ordering me to let you search my car?" (I'm always paranoid that I'll be targeted driving home from work at 2am.) A lot of people don't know this stuff, so cops easily take advantage.
    This is where a little knowledge is dangerous. If anything is in plain view, they don't need a warrant. Aside from probable cause, there is also something called reasonable suspicion.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExoticEngineer View Post
    But please keep in mind, not all cops are bad.
    Thank you. The vast majority of cops I've dealt with (and know) are good peoples. Even the ones who were dicks with me, it could not be said they were 'bad' cops. And then there are the few (very few) that I know/ have dealt with that are truly bad cops.

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    This is incredible. Thanks a lot for sharing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    This is where a little knowledge is dangerous. If anything is in plain view, they don't need a warrant. Aside from probable cause, there is also something called reasonable suspicion.
    Did you seriously just say that knowledge is dangerous? Why don't you explain more about this scenario that you participated in.
    If you think school is hard, try being stupid.

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    That was so interesting, very thought provoking.

    On another note. I love the "I can't talk that fast" at the beginning of the second video. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella21 View Post
    Did you seriously just say that knowledge is dangerous? Why don't you explain more about this scenario that you participated in.
    I think what was meant was, if you only know part of a situation the danger comes from what you don't know, it this case, what is in plain site . Sorry if I didn't word that well.
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    Awesome info, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella21 View Post
    Did you seriously just say that knowledge is dangerous? Why don't you explain more about this scenario that you participated in.

    lol I said This is where a little knowledge is dangerous. in regards to her post.

    Yes, a cop needs a warrant to search your car....but if you have anything that is plain sight in the vehicle (while he is outside the vehicle) that is illegal, he does not not a warrant.

    If you are pulled over and he asks you to exit your vehicle, if you leave the door ajar....implied consent. If you are at a roadblock and they ask you to get out and then they ask you for the keys to move the car...implied consent. (The last one happened to a friend of mine).

    Also, answering some questions and not others is grounds for reasonable suspicion. But if you answer none, it cannot be used against you.

    So when she says 'a cop needs a warrant to search your car' it is true, but there are other variables that would negate it.

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    The first video is not working. It plays for 2 mins and then freezes. Part 2 is working though. ANy alternative links to video 1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joplin View Post
    Thanks!!! CJ stuff is so fucking interesting, I'm so happy I majoring in this.
    It must be really difficult

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    Also remember ladies that IF you decline to speak to a PO, he ( or she ) can make your life a living hell.

    Not suppose to BUT they can haul your pretty little behind off to jail and hold you.
    Knowing your rights is empowering.. then again, experience is also a real butt kicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow2 View Post
    Also remember ladies that IF you decline to speak to a PO, he ( or she ) can make your life a living hell.
    Sounds like there's a story here? I'm wondering what the tactics are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSeeker View Post
    Sounds like there's a story here? I'm wondering what the tactics are?
    Tactics? Oh lets see.. tailgaiting you on the way home from work, the gas station, tanning salon..
    Stopping ( or pulling over ) for broken tail-light, checking your tag and so on and so forth.
    Driving through the parking lot of your apartment complex .. just because.

    Doing these same things to your friends ( and yes it's been done )
    Asking to search your FRIENDS car that you were not driving and getting personal belongings searched. Being questioned about credit cards, expired from ex and will only work in KMart no less.

    Having powdered laundry detergent dumped out in vehicle and the middle of the road and the to be washed laundry scattered to here and yon. Another search..

    and the list goes on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow2 View Post
    Doing these same things to your friends
    Good god.
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    Before I start this let me tell you that I am a retired police detective supervisor with 25 years experience in a large metropolitan city in the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by pookie View Post
    also if you are on public property and such and a cop starts to pat you down or asks to pat you down you can tell them to stop or say no. They need a search warrant or something to have the right to do that.
    Police officers are allowed to search individuals they stop when they have reasonable suspicion to believe they might be in danger.

    That means that if the officer can articulate in a written report that he met a certain legal level of criteria s/he can check your outer garments in what is called a "pat down" and the area in your immediate control for weapons. This is covered in the landmark Supreme Court case of "Terry vs Ohio" and added to by other court rulings after that.

    Example: I stop an individual in an area known to me by both personal experience [I've made previous arrests in the same area] and by reputation [I am aware of others arrests] to be a high traffic area for narcotics sales. I am further aware that in many of these cases those selling and purchasing the drugs have been found to be carrying weapons. I am also aware that some of these individuals have used these weapons against police officers.

    I witness an individual walking about in this area in such a way as to indicate s/he may be looking to purchase narcotics. This person is wearing baggy clothing in which might be secreted weapons [other example: s/he is wearing clothing tight enough to "print" the shape of what looks to be a knife].

    Having reasonable suspicion I perform a "Terry Stop" where I intend to interview this person to ascertain if there is probable cause for an arrest. I am totally, absolutely, and completely within my rights to pat down this person's outer garments to make sure they have nothing with which they can harm me. IF, in the course of this pat down, I find contraband items other than weapons these may be admissible as evidence against this person.

    So DO NOT presume that an officer can't do a pat down without a warrant as that is a improper conclusion which may add to the officer's reasonable suspicion or give him/her probable cause to make an arrest if you resist or act out in a way that crosses a line into an assault against a police officer acting under the color of his office [an indictable, meaning serious, crime in most states] or an act of disorderly persons if you get loud or defiant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bella21 View Post
    Cops aren't allowed to search your car without a warrant. If you get pulled over and they ask to search your car, just say no. If they try to give you a hard time about saying no, say something like, "Are you ordering me to let you search my car?" (I'm always paranoid that I'll be targeted driving home from work at 2am.) A lot of people don't know this stuff, so cops easily take advantage.
    Again, a police officer acting under the color of his her office when making a traffic stop, for their own protection, is allowed to check the driver and the area under his/her immediate control for weapons or other items that might be of danger to the officer.

    The way you avoid having your front seat area checked is to, WHEN YOU SAFELY CAN [and that is important because if an officer orders you to remain in your vehicle and you exit bad things can happen], exit your vehicle locking your door behind you.

    When you do that you then make the vehicle like your home. The officer can check your person for weapons but unless you give that officer permission they can not enter your locked car, or order you to unlock it [they can ask all they want to and if you say yes that is a totally different story] and check it without a search warrant.

    Mind you, if they believe the crime they are investigation is serious and have enough reasonable suspicion to reach the level to where a judge will find sufficient cause to grant such a warrant they will hold you there until one is issued.

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    Knowledge is power, but half knowledge can get you into more trouble than no knowledge at all.

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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    This video was very interesting. I only watched part one so far.

    Love it!

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    I really thought the "apology letter" example in part 2 was funny, some people are really stupid. I did dances for a defense attourney today, and I was tellinghim about the videos, when I got to that part, he started laughing his ass off.
    He also told me there are people who work with detectives to analyze written police reports, for an example he used a kidnapping case. If in the report the alleged victim is quoted as saying. "After I was kidnapped, we proceeded to drive out to the middle of nowhere..." the use of the phrase "we proceeded" can be argued in court as proof that the victim wasn't really a victim, at all. If they were they probably would have worded their story differenlty such as "After I was kidnapped, he proceeded to drive me out to the middle of nowhere..."
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    Also, the police can for no reason search you or the inside of your car within your reach to guarantee his safety. Ie, if he thinks you have a gun, he can look anywhere you can reach for the gun for his own safety. Anything he happens to find during that search is legal, so if you happen to have anything illegal in your car it should be in the far back well out of your reach.



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    Oh Pooh.. castle domain law. Anything you can keep in your house you can keep in your car. Check your state for such law.

    If you own a weapon and carry it in your car - when stopped, gun should be on the dash and BOTH hands on the steering wheel and the very FIRST thing out of your mouth should be informing the PO you own a weapon.

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