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    (Note they adjorned in the morning to rush off for a months worth of vacation.)

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the Democrats adjourned the House, turned off the lights and killed the microphones, but Republicans are still on the floor talking gas prices.

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    "This is the people's House," said Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.). "This is not Pelosi's politiburo."


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    Update: The Capitol Police are now trying to kick reporters out of the press gallery above the floor, meaning we can't watch the Republicans anymore. But Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) is now in the gallery talking to reporters, so the cops have held off for a minute. Clearly, Democrats don't want Republicans getting any press for this episode. GOP leaders are trying to find other Republicans to rotate in for Blunt so reporters aren't kicked out.


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    Update 3: Democrats just turned out the lights again. Republicans cheered.
    Update 4: Republican leaders just sent out a notice looking for a bullhorn, and leadership aides are trying to corral all the members who are still in town to come speak on the floor and sustain this one-sided debate.


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    Update 4: The scene on the floor is kind of crazy. Normally, members are not allowed to speak directly to the visitor galleries, and visitors are prohibited from cheering. But in this case, the members are walking up and down on the floor during their speeches, standing on chairs. The visitors are cheering loudly. Some members even brought in visitors, who are now sitting on the House floor in the seats normally filled by lawmakers, cheering and clapping. Very funny.


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    and it just gets better.... read the article!

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    I go to free republic and keep updated. Looks like they decided they wanted supper. They went home. It would have been awesome if they would have stayed like they said they would. Oh well... I guess no on in politics sticks to their word, so why should they.
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    Well, Nancy Pelosi has been adamant about no drilling nowhere nohow ever since she was a state house politician in California ...


    (snip)"WASHINGTON — A plan to lift the ban on coastal drilling is stalled on Capitol Hill, for one simple reason: A Californian who opposes President Bush's proposal is calling the shots in the House of Representatives.

    Despite growing public support for ending the ban, even in California, Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she won't allow a vote.

    "I have no plans to do so," Pelosi said Thursday.

    It's an example of the vast power placed in the office of the speaker, who sets the agenda for the 435-member House. Members can force a vote if enough of them sign a petition, but that's a rarity because it requires rank-and-file Democrats to line up against their boss.

    In this case, Pelosi is going against a rising tide of public opinion. Faced with rapidly increasing gasoline prices, 73 percent of Americans now favor offshore drilling, according to a poll conducted by CNN/Opinion Research Corp.

    Support is even growing in California, where a majority of residents have long supported the ban. A new Field Poll survey shows that just 51 percent now favor the ban, compared with 56 percent in 2005."(snip)


    However, at $4.00 per gallon, even Californians are changing their views about offshore drilling these days !!! In fact, many would probably cheer the Republican stump stunt this afternoon ... that is, IF they ever got to see it either via CSPAN or in mainstream media (which they won't).

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    Nancy Pelosi is a horse's ass who makes G.W. look effective. She and Harry Reid have done NOTHING of substance and the U.S. Congress richly deserves its abysmal approval ratings.

    High gas prices and the Dems refusal to do anything about them (beyond encouraging proper tire inflation ), could, COULD be a decisive issue come November.

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    ^^^Interesting how none of you seemed to have any problems with GWB's republican majority shutting out democrats when the GOP had the majority.

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    Isn't this just politics as usual? Sort of an anti-filibuster?

    Besides, they are all going to go back to their committees and make deals and slip earmarks into bills and everyone will leave happy. The rest is just theatrics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Isn't this just politics as usual? Sort of an anti-filibuster?

    Besides, they are all going to go back to their committees and make deals and slip earmarks into bills and everyone will leave happy. The rest is just theatrics.
    Speak that truth loudly for all to hear!

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    ^^^Interesting how none of you seemed to have any problems with GWB's republican majority shutting out democrats when the GOP had the majority.
    in truth, this didn't happen. GWB let Ted Kennedy write the 2002 education bill. Beyond that, for the past century at least, republican 'sellouts' have sided with Democrats on a huge array of issues leaving very few instances where the republican majority (on the rare occasions when there has really been a Republican majority) were sufficiently united against a Democratic policy to want to shut it out. Also, prior to Democrats 'inventing' the 60 vote Senatorial 'veto' power during GWB's first term, it had never been used by Republicans when they were in the minority. Same goes for republican 'vetos' of Democratic presidential appointees when republicans were in the minority ...

    but basically those details don't really matter at all since republican 'sellouts' are the dominating issue ...


    (snip)"There is only one way to describe the record of the Republican majority during its first year: a dismal failure. To students of political history, however, this was not only no surprise, it was to be expected and, in fact, predictable on the basis of the actions of the Republican Party in the 20th century, whether they held the presidency, the House, the Senate, or any combination of the three, including an absolute majority. Because the history of the Republican Party is one of compromise after compromise and sellout after sellout, there are a number of things that a Republican majority has not meant, and in fact, will never mean.

    A Republican majority has not meant any more than it did the last time the Republicans controlled both the Congress and the Oval Office, since the intent of Republicans is not to dismantle the welfare state with its entitlements and income-transfer programs. The 83rd Congress of 1953–1955, which had the advantage of serving under the Republican president Dwight Eisenhower, represented the last time in recent memory that the Republicans commanded both houses of Congress and the White House. Before then, it was during the first two years of Herbert Hoover’s presidency that a Republican Congress convened under a Republican president. With the Republican Eisenhower in the White House, and a Republican majority in Congress, one would think that the entire New Deal could have been repealed and the government restored to at least its pre–New Deal levels. Yet during this period, the Bricker Amendment to protect U.S. sovereignty went down in defeat, the Cold War took shape, and the judicial activist Earl Warren was appointed to the Supreme Court. This Republican majority was short-lived, as the voters turned out the Republicans for what was to be the longest tenure of one-party rule in U.S. history.

    A Republican majority has not meant anything different from the last time a Republican Congress had to contend with a Democratic president, because the Republicans have no desire to rid the country of affirmative-action policies, anti-discrimination laws, or anything else granting special privileges based on race, sex, perceived victim status, disability, or “sexual orientation.” Before the Clinton regime, the last time a Republican Congress found itself in this position was during the 80th Congress of 1947–1949, which assembled during the second half of the first term of the Democrat Harry Truman. One would have to go back to the last half of Woodrow Wilson’s second term to find a like occurrence. It is apparent that a Republican majority in Congress for the first time since the New Deal would at least have been able to block the legislative agenda of Harry Truman. But ability and willingness are two different things. After authorizing $400 million in aid to Greece and Turkey in 1947 and the $17 billion Marshall Plan in 1948, the Republicans in Congress were still replaced by Democrats in the next election.

    A Republican majority has not meant anything different from the last time the Republicans held a majority in the Senate, because the practice of appointing and confirming judges and bureaucrats who trample the Constitution and infringe the liberties of American citizens has never abated. Throughout Ronald Reagan’s first term, and for the first half of his second one, the Republicans had a majority in the Senate under a Republican president. The only other two times this century that this occurred were during the terms of Hoover and William Taft. Although not possessing a majority in the House of Representatives, with a majority in the Senate, and the most conservative president since Calvin Coolidge, the repeal of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society seemed within reach. Some good was done during the period of this Senate majority, but Sandra Day O’Connor, who proved to be a dismal failure to conservatives, was installed on the Supreme Court. The Social Security tax rates were also gradually raised throughout this period, something that cannot be blamed exclusively on a Democratic-controlled House. Further compromise with the Democrats resulted in additional “tax reform.” A Republican House was never elected to complement the Republican Senate, and the Republicans lost the Senate for the remaining two years of Reagan’s final term.

    A Republican majority has not meant something dissimilar from a Democratic majority with a Republican president, because the Republicans have made no effort to eliminate the laws, mandates, regulations, and restrictions that strangle business and burden the American people. The last Republican president to preside over a Democratic Congress was George H. W. Bush. Every Republican president since Eisenhower has had the disadvantage of serving with a Democratic majority in Congress for at least part of his term, and usually for the entire duration. It was expected that an attempt would be made by Bush to block Democratic legislation. But not only were some horrendous bills passed with the help of Republicans in the House and Senate, President Bush signed them instead of using his veto power. The Americans with Disabilities Act, the Clean Air Act, and the Civil Rights Act are three notable examples, not to mention the disastrous budget deal that raised taxes.

    A Republican majority has not meant any more than business as usual with a complete Democratic majority, because the reckless, globalist foreign policy of the United States is adhered to by most Republicans. The total Democratic control of the government, such as existed under Roosevelt, Truman (second term), Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton (first half of first term), has done much damage to the country. Yet many of the increases in taxes, social spending, and federal powers, with their assault on liberty and private property, were passed with the help of Republicans at the time they were supposed to be the opposition party. Republicans in the House and Senate supported Clinton’s crime bill and the annual multi-billion dollar foreign aid package. "(snip)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    in truth, this didn't happen.

    You might consider removing the tinfoil hat from your head. It appears to cause memory loss.


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    haha i thought this was about price shutting down the this site thread hahahahaha.

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    An amusing/entertaining spectacle, but that's about it...

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    what can I say, Ernie ...

    (snip)"Democrats are arguably suffering from their own decisions: It was the then-majority Democrats who changed the makeup of the Rules Committee to give the majority more than a 2-to-1 advantage over the other party, acknowledged a Democratic staff member close to the panel."(snip)


    Agreed that the republican stump stunt was a spectacle with no other purpose than publicity (and they didn't actually get very much publicity either !). Nancy Pelosi in fact holds the gavel, as Newt Gingrich and countless other house speakers did in the past. If that gavel doesn't fall, topics don't get discussed or voted on.

    High gas prices and the Dems refusal to do anything about them (beyond encouraging proper tire inflation ), could, COULD be a decisive issue come November
    Well, I guess it's safe to point out that Pelosi and Reid are now running against the tide of American voter opinion ... which by last poll showed some 70% of Americans overall and even a tiny majority of Californians now favor offshore drilling in an effort to eventually relieve some energy price pressure on their family budgets.



    (snip)"07-30) 22:28 PDT San Francisco -- A majority of Californians favor more oil drilling off the coast, according to a statewide survey released Wednesday, for the first time since oil prices spiked nearly three decades ago.

    The support by 51 percent of residents polled this month by the Public Policy Institute of California represents a shift caused by renewed Republican advocacy for drilling as well as motorists' reaction to soaring pump prices, according to the pollster.

    With high oil prices and calls from President Bush and Republican presidential aspirant Sen. John McCain to open coastal waters to domestic production, support for drilling has jumped, particularly among Republicans, the poll says. Support increases with age and is slightly higher among men than women.

    But as the price of oil hovers around $120 per barrel, double the cost a year ago, support for drilling has increased even among Democrats and independents, says the survey of 2,504 adult residents polled across the state July 8-22."(snip)

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    No doubt the Dems found themselves hoisted on their own petard, and deservedly so. However the GOP took exclusionary legislative practices to a whole new height.

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    The Dems in Congress won't propose or allow the Republicans to propose any legislation that might reduce gas prices or, for that matter, would do anything to improve the economy for fear that things might improve before the election and GWB might get credit for it. That would blow their election strategy of running against GWB's policies. They figure as long as you're miserable you'll vote for BHO. It's all about getting elected, if the voters have to suffer, too bad.
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    ^^^ hmmm, they may not have the choice. It would appear that Republicans are starting to 'grow a pair' on this issue ...

    (snip)"The showdown on Capitol Hill over expanding offshore drilling could lead to a threatened government shutdown when Congress returns from its five-week summer break in early September.

    Some Republicans say they are prepared to vote against a resolution to fund the federal government for the 2009 fiscal year unless Democrats agree to lift an offshore drilling moratorium. If the budget resolution fails, many agencies and departments would be denied money to operate and would be forced to close.

    "We don't want the government shutdown to be an issue, but the fact is the Democrats are so overconfident that they're willing to talk about a ban and they're willing to talk about raising taxes on gasoline, so this is just pretty incredible," said Sen. Jim DeMint, a South Carolina Republican who is circulating a letter encouraging colleagues to demand that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, strike the drilling moratorium from the budget resolution.

    "But I think that once Americans realize that this [drilling] ban will expire unless we pass something, I think there is going to be just an outcry to not vote for anything that had a ban in it."

    The congressional drilling moratorium was first enacted in 1982 and has been renewed every year since. It prohibits oil and gas leasing on most of the outer continental shelf - three miles to 200 miles offshore - and expanded oil shale development in the West. The ban is set to expire at the end of September, but Democratic leaders are expected to include a one-year extension in legislation that they will introduce next month to continue funding the government for the 2009 fiscal year, which begins Oct. 1.

    The impasse centers on Republican demands that any energy plan include a provision to expand domestic oil drilling to areas currently off-limits, including a wildlife reserve in northern Alaska and in the eastern Gulf of Mexico. Democrats oppose the idea, saying oil companies already have millions available drilling acres on land they're not using.

    "If the Democrats choose to hold the continuation of government operations as a hostage, then as far as I'm concerned, I can't vote for anything that has a ban in it," Mr. DeMint said. "That would just be a betrayal of everything we're talking about as Republicans. And I think that most Republicans are going to feel that way."

    Republicans say the ban needs to be lifted to lower gas prices and to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

    "On October 1, the bans on offshore drilling and oil shale recovery will end, enabling us to finally be able to develop more American energy - unless Democrats actively prohibit exploration," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican who also is circulating letter encouraging House Republicans to pressure House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, to drop the ban.

    "I hope that Speaker Pelosi and Democrats in the House and Senate recognize the pain Americans are feeling and will not actively enact legislation to block the development of American energy," he said.

    Democratic leaders in both houses of Congress have refused to allow a stand-alone bill on drilling. In protest, Republicans have blocked several Democratic bills in both chambers, saying they will continue to do so unless Democrats agree to a drilling vote.

    Democrats control both houses of Congress, but hold only a 51-49 vote advantage in the Senate. A budget resolution may require 60 votes for passage, meaning only 41 opposing votes would be needed to block the measure. "(snip)

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    We talked about this in my political science class today, despite all the controversy, I keep on thinking: "What a bas @$$ chic!". There was a time where women couldn't vote in the U.S..... now women are turning the lights of in the House. Awesome, when I grow up I want to be a rockstar like her!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveComesFromWithin View Post
    We talked about this in my political science class today, despite all the controversy, I keep on thinking: "What a bas @$$ chic!". There was a time where women couldn't vote in the U.S..... now women are turning the lights of in the House. Awesome, when I grow up I want to be a rockstar like her!


    What? Like corrupt?
    Google "Pelosi real estate" and give it a read.

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    ^^^ and Nancy Pelosi reportedly is a big IPO investor with Boone Pickens' natural gas operations ... which means that she along with Boone will profit big time from natural gas providing that oil prices are not allowed to drop !!! A very effective way to prevent that from happening is to prevent any significant new oil drilling in the USA !!!



    (snip)"The ads champion Texas oil billionaire T. Boone Pickens' "Pickens Plan" to move the U.S. from foreign oil dependence to domestically produced wind power and natural gas fuel for automobiles. The plan is touted as a cleaner, more eco-friendly alternative to our current reliance on coal power and gasoline.

    The ballot initiative is California's Proposition 10, known as the California Renewable Energy and Clean Alternative Fuel Act, which would spend $5 billion in California bond money – $10 billion by the time the interest is paid, according to the L.A. Times – to promote natural gas as an cleaner alternative for automobile and truck fuel.

    Not surprisingly, the nation's largest provider of natural gas for transportation, Clean Energy Fuels Corporation, or CLNE, has a great deal to gain from the adoption of Pickens' fuel strategy and the passage of Proposition 10. In fact, according to the California Secretary of State website, CLNE has contributed $3,247,250 to supporting Proposition 10's passage.

    CLNE, however, was formerly known as Pickens Fuel after its primary investor, T. Boone Pickens.

    While Pickens touts a plan in the name of environmentalism that will also line his company's pockets, a #dontgo investigation has revealed that another environmental champion and backer of Proposition 10 has also invested in CLNE: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.

    According to the investigation, Pelosi purchased $50,000-$100,000 in CLNE stock on May 25, 2007, apparently on its initial public offering."(snip)


    Unfortunately, the problem often encountered with Political Science classes is that they tend to be very 'selective' in regard to the material that is (or is NOT) presented for discussion. or stated in a different manner, Pelosi's calls to 'save the planet' via obstructing additional US oil drilling are not only a direct conflict of interest in regard to her own natural gas investments, but the 'scheme' also includes the transfer of 5 billion dollars worth of taxpayers money in subsidies from which Boone Pickens and Nancy Pelosi will also profit in turn.

    So yes in terms of political clout, Nancy Pelosi now ranks right up there with Al Gore in regard to positioning themselves to personally profit from 'green' energy policy decisions and taxpayers money subsidies.

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    ^^^Shocking, I say! Fortunately for America, Bush and Cheney did not reward any of their cronies in the energy industry. Unless you count that whole closed door, secret attendees meeting to create the nation's energy policy. But at least that result was good for the nation and not big oil, right? I must have missed the posts on the outrage over that one.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Pickens was at that meeting, too. He definitely has a finger to the wind and knows how to capitalize on it.

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and I bet you still think govt subsidies of alternative energy is for the good of man.

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html

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    ^^^ and that only points out the 'corporate' subsidies ... as opposed to the individual tax credits which have prompted many a multimillionaire to invest in alternative energy businesses since the tax credits can then be used to offset taxes due on other sources of income.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Pickens was at that meeting, too. He definitely has a finger to the wind and knows how to capitalize on it.
    how do you spell Bilderberger ?

    For the record, I wasn't implying that Bush, Cheney et al are 'innocent' of corporate cronyism. I was merely pointing out that Nancy Pelosi is also guilty of the same corporate cronyism (albeit different corporations). However, Nancy opted to take a position of personally enriching herself as a result of gov't subsidy payments over which she has a major element of control.

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    BORING! If the Republicans want to do more domestic drilling then they could just do it. They have shitloads of land they already have the right to drill and they are choosing not to do it. That says to me it's not really about domestic drilling afterall. Their recent bitching and whining about domestic drilling just stupid. It's a political stunt and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zia_Abq View Post
    BORING! If the Republicans want to do more domestic drilling then they could just do it. They have shitloads of land they already have the right to drill and they are choosing not to do it. That says to me it's not really about domestic drilling afterall. Their recent bitching and whining about domestic drilling just stupid. It's a political stunt and nothing more.
    Is there oil there?

    Might want to research into what geologists have been saying about all these millions of acres of leased land the political bickerer's like to go on about.

    The stunts are going both ways in this one.

    (P.S. You might be surprised at what democrats have big oil investments.)

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    If there is no oil there then why won't give up the rights to drill there. Sorry I'm not too keen on anything these days that is "Republican". Even just the word makes my stomach turn and makes me want to puke or break things. I'm biased like that but hey at least I admit it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zia_Abq View Post
    Sorry I'm not too keen on anything these days that is "Republican". Even just the word makes my stomach turn and makes me want to puke or break things. I'm biased like that but hey at least I admit it

    I've always felt this way about Dems, thanks to Carters admin (and I was only in elem school lol).

    What makes Obama different? What's that slogan he has, a difference we can believe in. Come on, look at his policies, he's the same ole left wing socialist nutjob. And to go to a racist church? I can understand a few times until you see the crap from the pastor, but for 20 years? Of course Obama going to 57 of the 60 US states is an admirable job. bwahaha

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