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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    ... I was watching a show last night on the Koran. As was pointed out, the amazing thing is there is so much tension in the middle east among Jews, Christians, and Muslims who in theory all worship the same God, .
    Where did they get that info? Everything I read says they are totally different.

    Christianity is based on God sending His ONLY begotten Son, Jesus, to atone for the sins of mankind (John 3:16-17)

    The Quran's Surah 17 111 says: "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) domain.
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    Surah 4 171 says: "... Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah and His Word.


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    ^I dunno... when I can't find kosher food I find Halel instead because it's nearly the same... but I haven't looked too hard into being Muslim.


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    Go back far enough, and they all descend from Abraham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
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    I, for one, would like to see a kosher cotton wearing Christian - just so I know they're actually reading and believing the things they say.

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    I can't attest for all Christians, but Catholics dont believe that its neccessary to follow old testament rules in regards to diet or cleanliness....Simply, we don't follow those rules because we believe that in Jesus dying on the cross, there was a sacrafice made for us and therfore we no longer have to make those "sacrafices" simply put.

    Also being a Christian and believing in Christ aren't really related. I know in your religion and in the muslim religion Jesus is acknowledged as a prophet, but we think he was the Messiah.

    (totally not starting an argument and I REALLY do not want one, I just know a lot of Jewish people (including my Jewish stepfather lol) don't know why Christians dont follow old testament rules. We just have different beliefs)
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    I asked my hubby to try to help with that Question. The Old Testament law is not meant for Christians.
    Christians are saved under grace, the work of Jesus. We do not have to do works or follow the 613 Jewish laws for salvation. Its not that we do not believe the old testament, we do because
    All of the bible is for us but only part of the bible is written TO us.
    A reading of Romans and Galatians would help in this study. Also, try looking up the Mystery that Paul spoke of in Ephesians.

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    oh holy hell i wanted this to be a fun thread not a fucking religious debate.

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    I know WHY y'all Christians don't do the stuff.. but like I keeeeeep saying, it just seems like a lazy religion to me. Not much effort for the maximum benefits.


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    ^^^

    That's not really true, we just do different stuff. Or I guess I should say I do different stuff bc I can't speak for all Christian religions, but I have special devotions, say the rosary, etc.... I make different sacrafices.

    I don't think one is right or wrong, good or bad. We just have different beliefs. One road, many paths....
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    I didn't say any were right or wrong.. not ever... I agree with you.

    I'm jus' sayin' I think it's lazy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    I know WHY y'all Christians don't do the stuff.. but like I keeeeeep saying, it just seems like a lazy religion to me. Not much effort for the maximum benefits.
    I was raised very, very Christian and you probably would never call me lazy religiously if you saw the way I and others adhered to our religion.

    As for time, I spent 1.5-2 hours in church every Sunday. Plus:

    1-2 hours in Sunday school.

    I had bible class for one hour every weekday for 3 years in high school.

    2-3 hours in "youth group" every Wednesday. Plus:

    1 hour of chapel every Wednesday.

    I loved my Lord and followed every rule as closely as I could. I read most of the old testament before I was 12, by choice ( and I mean it, I was extremely religious, even as a child, and also precocious in my reading habits. I read through most of the boring law parts dutifully.)

    If you are hardcore Christian, as I was, your religion is your life.

    I have to add this: I was Lutheran, from Norwegian roots. The religion from these roots is very stoic, reverent, and serious. Also very concerned with research. I spent many sunday and bible classes studying the old testament and its linguistic roots. One of my pastors was especially concerned with this.

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    Lol Lysondra you crack me up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses View Post
    Why do you feel like JW was a cult or that you were brainwashed? I don't view it that way at all
    I love you Cinny, but it sounds like a cult to me.


    The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
    Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
    The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
    The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
    The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
    The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
    The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
    The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
    Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
    The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
    The group is preoccupied with making money.
    Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
    Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
    The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    I heard a bunch of JWs coming door to door and they went up my steps... slowly.. and I heard, "Oh. This house is Jewish. Look, there's that door thingy. We can't do anything here..." and they LEFT!

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    So hubby dear proceeds to invite them in and destroy their beliefs and ideas with 3 different religions and the internet, lol. (Gotta give the boy credit, he's about as intelligent and wily as they come)

    He then informs them that they have insulted me and that they owe me an apology and to please not come back again unless they want to learn more about the world around them. I saw one of the women about 6 months later at temple, and she has since converted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana View Post
    I love you Cinny, but it sounds like a cult to me.


    The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
    Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
    The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
    The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
    The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
    The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
    The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
    The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
    Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
    The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
    The group is preoccupied with making money.
    Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
    Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
    The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
    1. There is no leader.
    2. There are ZERO mind-altering practices. If anything we are discouraged from meditation. JWs don't even do yoga because there is chanting involved. Speaking-in-tongues is foreign to JWs.
    3. This is FALSE too: The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

    OK, before I go on, 99% of what you said is FALSE pertaining to Jehovah's Witness.

    The one thing that is TRUE is there is shame/guilt when one sins. But it's not how your described. What you described sounds like a hodgepodge of a bunch of diff religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andygirl View Post
    I don't know. The Xtian people I know don't bash gays or do anything the other really judgmental people do. I can't speak for all of their beliefs, but I do know they try to go by the "love your neighbor" type of stuff. I also think there is a difference between people who preach the Old Testament and those that believe the New.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnakeBabe View Post
    Where did they get that info? Everything I read says they are totally different.

    Christianity is based on God sending His ONLY begotten Son, Jesus, to atone for the sins of mankind (John 3:16-17)

    The Quran's Surah 17 111 says: "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) domain.
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    Surah 4 171 says: "... Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah and His Word.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana View Post
    I love you Cinny, but it sounds like a cult to me.
    The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished. There is no Charles Russel that created the religion in 1876?


    Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s). There is no excessive door to door church work or praying?


    The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth). JW's don't dictate that men must wear dress shirts, ties and slacks with no facial hair or long hair? And women must wear skirts or long dresses?


    The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity). They don't believe that only 144K of THEIR followers will go to heaven and no one else will?


    The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society. They don't believe this?


    The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations). I am neutral on this, since I do not have any first hand knowledge one way or another.


    The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities). They don't believe that nothing else matters or is as important as their church and faith?


    The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion. They incite almost as much guilt as a Jewish Mother!


    Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group. I know personally that JW's are discouraged to associate with others outside their religion, unless it is for door to door type stuff. I lost a friend in school due to this.


    The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members. Very true.


    The group is preoccupied with making money. Again unsure.


    Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities. I would say a big yes to this.


    Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members. Again, I saw this first hand, when I was not allowed to be friends with Jen any longer.


    The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
    This is not true as well?

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    1. There is no leader.
    2. There are ZERO mind-altering practices. If anything we are discouraged from meditation. JWs don't even do yoga because there is chanting involved. Speaking-in-tongues is foreign to JWs.
    3. This is FALSE too: The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

    OK, before I go on, 99% of what you said is FALSE pertaining to Jehovah's Witness.

    The one thing that is TRUE is there is shame/guilt when one sins. But it's not how your described. What you described sounds like a hodgepodge of a bunch of diff religions.
    What I listed is the US Government's req's for a cult, lol.

    I fail to see how "99%" of that is false, when well over 75% is true based on what I personally witness from JW's in my area. Only 3 or 4 I am not sure relate to Jw's, but only cause I have no knowledge of it.
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    When a cult becomes established and its teachings are viewed as different, but not threatening, then it becomes a religion. The LDS and the JW were both viewed as cults in the beginning but are now established as religions.

    However, look at the controversy over Romney as a presidential or vice presidential candidate to see how well the LDS religion is accepted today. I bet most people don't even know what McCain's religion is, but I bet it is one of the mainstream Protestant religions, or it would be an issue.

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    When a cult becomes established and its teachings are viewed as different, but not threatening, then it becomes a religion. The LDS and the JW were both viewed as cults in the beginning but are now established as religions.

    However, look at the controversy over Romney as a presidential or vice presidential candidate to see how well the LDS religion is accepted today. I bet most people don't even know what McCain's religion is, but I bet it is one of the mainstream Protestant religions, or it would be an issue.
    That is the whole point I was making, lol. ANY and most ALL religions are cults.

    Anyway I think McCain is a Baptist, maybe?
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    Where did they get that info? Everything I read says they are totally different.
    I'm 99% sure the speaker in the TV show meant it the same way others like Sam Harris means it, that if you roll back time, all of these popular religions today were pre-dated by the old testament, and all accept the old testament as God's Word and the God they worship.

    However of course they have diverged the same way people diverge when they spit off in different groups and create new societies, and not just into Jews, Muslims, and Christians, but also among those groups into further sub-divisions (e.g., Shites, Sunnis, Kurds; Catholics, Prostestants; etc).

    Here is another tidbit of info -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book

    "People of the Book" (Arabic أهل الكتاب, Ahl al- Kitâb), also "Followers of the Holy Books"[1], are non-Muslim peoples who, according to the Qur'an, received scriptures which were revealed to them by God before the time of Muhammad (especially Christians and Jews). "

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana View Post
    This is not true as well?



    What I listed is the US Government's req's for a cult, lol.

    I fail to see how "99%" of that is false, when well over 75% is true based on what I personally witness from JW's in my area. Only 3 or 4 I am not sure relate to Jw's, but only cause I have no knowledge of it.

    [SIZE=2][B]There is no Charles Russel that created the religion in 1876? -- He isn't seen as a leader although he founded the religion. Jehovah God is seen as the leader. What C.T. Russell started has totally evolved.

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    Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s). There is no excessive door to door church work or praying? -- THe prayers are more normal than how others pray. There's ZERO chanting and you don't repeat the same prayer over and over. Going door-ro-door is encouraged but not everyone does it frequently. Pioneers do it "full-time." Auxillary pioneers do it "part-time." REgular publishers (what most JWs are) might do it once a week or once a month or less frequently.


    The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth). JW's don't dictate that men must wear dress shirts, ties and slacks with no facial hair or long hair? And women must wear skirts or long dresses? -- Sure, but this goes for going to meetings and out in service. You wear business wear basically. In everyday life, you do n't dress like this. It means = dressing for the occassion. It'd be disrespectful to God to wear jeans and an old t-shirt in other words. JWs take their worship seriously in a lot of respects.


    They don't believe that only 144K of THEIR followers will go to heaven and no one else will? -- They believe this but they are not ones who will save humanity and they aren't anymore special than the multitudes they believe will inherit a perfect earth after Armaggedon. i knew a few of members of the 144K and it was just THEIR calling. Maybe some dumb people thought of them as better than others, but that's not how it's schooled.


    The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society. They don't believe this? -- This is true in a lot of cases. But mostly with people who are newly JWs.


    The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations). I am neutral on this, since I do not have any first hand knowledge one way or another. --
    This is just false but maybe since JWs remain neutral in war and politics this was mentioned. But, again, there is no leader. If you want to count the president of the WatchTower (no one ever mentions his name too much because he's not important in worship; but he's important just for the running of the organization since it's worldwide), he's definitely human.


    The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities). They don't believe that nothing else matters or is as important as their church and faith? -- What YOU'RE saying is different from what's mentioned above. JWs many times put their faith above all other things but, as a whole, JWs are very ethical and are straight-laced law followers. They do not collect money for bogus charities. That's bull-shit.


    The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion. They incite almost as much guilt as a Jewish Mother! -- You get this in any group-think situation. Sororities and fraternities included.


    Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group. I know personally that JW's are discouraged to associate with others outside their religion, unless it is for door to door type stuff. I lost a friend in school due to this. -- Depends on how the family/person is. The scripture that says "Bad associations spoils usefull habits" is engrained in my head from my Mom. Association within the congregation or amongst fellow JWs is encouraged but you can still have friends who are not. But if those friends are potentially bad influences (smoking, getting drunk, sex, R rated movies, etc), then they might want to stop being friends with the non-JW. It's like any other situation almost -- you want to be friends with people who share similar values. HELLO Stripperweb pink side. Pink side doesn't want junkies to infiltrate.


    The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members. Very true. -- It's not an over preoccupation though.


    The group is preoccupied with making money. Again unsure. -- Untrue.


    Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities. I would say a big yes to this. -- It's a culture. There are meetings 3 times a week. And then you make friends so there are loads of parties, get-togethers, weddings, etc. It has a strong social component. It's like a huge network of friends (people who share the same values).


    Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members. Again, I saw this first hand, when I was not allowed to be friends with Jen any longer. -- It's encouraged, but not a rule. If you were consideered a potentially bad influence, i can see this happening. If ya'll were teenageers or she was living under her parents' roof I can totally see this happening. THis doesn't only happen in JW households though.


    The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group. -- It's more like they wouldn't WANT a life outside the group. It's part social. It is a culture. The more involved you get, the harder it is to see yourself without it. The weaker-minded someone is, the harder it is for them to see reality.

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