




There is a more valid definition of adulthood: emotional maturity, which occurs later than the legal age of adulthood, and much later than the biological capacity to procreate. It has nothing to do with breasts, hips, anything. Not that guys who are attracted to children and teenagers care about the emotional state of their objects of desire.















Like with someone of diminished mental capacity? Like a low IQ 20 year old, or someone with a major emotional disorder? Yes, I consider that abusive from someone who uses that state to coerce them or manipulate them into sex. Not pedophilia, but obviously inappropriate and abusive.
Stressed and confused doesn't necessarily mean "oh my, what is going on? STOP LOOKING AT ME! I'm so ashamed!" But I don't think we would need to look very far to see a bunch of women obsessed with youth-derived sexuality and think that sex - in particular the naughty girl sex - is the best thing they have to offer guys.
While it may be normal to check out someone of "breeding age", I think you guys are attributing more to nature than is necessarily correct. The shapes we fetishize now, while they can belong to adult women typically belong to younger girls, which is why we fetishize them. There is a reason it is called the "gamine look". Fetishization is not all about nature and breeding.
In this particular case, someone said earlier that the criticizer was "off her skiis" because these girls are not only mainly adults, they don't seem to have particularly dimunitive builds. To me they look like strong adults.
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There has got to something between "deny at all costs, even seeking help" and "celebrate as long as you don't physically touch a child".
Like, intuitively, I am so uncomfortable with normalizing attraction to children so that people seek help, and I cannot agree that refusing to normalize it encourages child molestation.
I have taught that the sky in all its zones is mortal and its substance was formed by a process of birth
What she actually said was that women have "woman curves" and girls have "girl curves"--- which she pointed out is the case with the 18-20 year old gymnasts. They are women, yet have "girl curves".
Your guess is as good as mine as to what all that means.
For what it's worth, I found myself checking out a group of teenage girls at the mall the other day who couldn't be over 14-15. What? They were hot. Am I a sicko?





What I would like to see is an attitude that people who are attracted exclusively to children have a problem and that we need to be supportive. My first goal would be to eliminate the attraction. If that can't be accomplished, my second goal would be to encourage safe outlets.
What I don't like to see is people who call them various names like "perverts" and suggest they are likely child molesters. It is attitudes like these that discourage people to seek help. Many people don't realize that pedophile doesn't mean child molester.
I wouldn't go so far as to say it should be celebrated and encouraged.
In comparison, I don't think the attitude towards sexual abuse in families going from "don't talk about it EVER and cover it up" in the 50s to "let's talk and be open" in 2008 has encouraged more abuse. In fact, I think it has been beneficial.





I think you are VERY wrong that this means people WILL act on it. It is extremely common for people to be attracted to individuals without raping them. I think it may shock you to know how many men get turned on by young girls.
And yes, there is something deeply wrong with people who are exclusively attracted to children. But we have to deal with it.
Again, I think it's attitudes like you are demonstrating "they WILL eventually hurt a child" that discourage people from seeking help and contribute to the rates of child molestation.
Well that's people. They like things to be simple. On their 18th birthday a magic fairy comes down and turns them ALL into adults. It's so nice and simple. Don't make me have to use my brain and have to deal with complex things like maturity is a process that happens slowly over many years. I want to live life on auto-pilot
p.s. sarcasm of course
Well - before we start encouraging and normalizing safe outlets, I would suggest that we need some agreement from the psychologist community that a "safe outlet" acts as an outlet and not to encourage and exacerbate the problem. Like... I don't think the reason pedophiles offend is because they couldn't find a Tiger Beat to jerk off to. I said in another thread that pedophiles, by and large aren't in strip clubs - but there is no shortage of children walking around to watch, of catalogues, of teen mags. There is not a shortage of "safe outlets", and I imagine that pedophiles feel pretty discouraged to offend as it is
No... but doesn't it mean something pretty close to someone who is pretty likely to be a child molester? What percentage of pedophiles do you think is non-offending?What I don't like to see is people who call them various names like "perverts" and suggest they are likely child molesters. It is attitudes like these that discourage people to seek help. Many people don't realize that pedophile doesn't mean child molester.
I have taught that the sky in all its zones is mortal and its substance was formed by a process of birth
Oh my. I would say a significant distinguishing factor in this analysis is that one is encouraging victims to be open, confident and not blame themselves, the other is encouraging the potential offender. The offender is less likely victimize victims who are less likely to be silently vicitmized; I'm not sure you can expect a mirror result in making the offender open, confident and normalizing deviant desires.
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^^^Depends how you define pedophile. I always group them as "exclusive" and "non-exlusive". The non-exlusive don't worry me so much. It's the "exclusive" group that worry me. It also depends on what attraction is considered pedophilic. Some consider it anyone under 18. I personally consider it before puberty, regardless of when that may occur.
If we went with men who are aroused (exlusively or not) by prepubescent girls, I would confidently say that less than 5% abuse children.
If we consider the "exclusive" group only, I would guess it is very high but I have no way of knowing exactly how high it is.





I agree with you on all points except when you say "the other is encouraging the potential offender".
If you don't like my comparison to sexual abuse within the family, then let's compare it to another mental problem. Suicide.
Do you think that encouraging people to talk about suicide and tell people when they have suicidal feelings is encouraging the suicide to take place?
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