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    Had a very good night a couple of weeks ago at the casino in Melbourne and so did my mate, so we decided to go to one of the city strip clubs armed with a fair bit of free money to spend at about 1 AM.

    I ordered a drink and gave the waitress a $100 note which you probably only get at the casino here. When I went to tip the waitress, I noticed that there was only $60 in notes and a few coins or in effect there was $20 short. I asked the waitress and she calmly put her hand into her pocket and added the $20 back. It seemed strange but I assumed it was a mistake and we went on with our night.

    We then proceeded to go for a couple of dances and then after I finished I ordered drinks again. This time from a different waitress and for the girl I was with and self and handed another $100 bill. This time I checked my change and I got short changed again but this time for $10. I got my correct change back after i asked, but it pretty much ruined my mood and shortly thereafter I dragged my friend out.

    What is the correct thing to do as I really felt petty asking for $10 but would probably have felt worse if I had let it slip.

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    You were absolutely correct to ask for the proper change back. This sounds very shady to me.

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    Waitresses should always hand back the exact change and allow you to decide whether or not and if so, how much you will tip them.

    At my club they hand back change on a little black tray and then it's up to the customer how much of his change he will take.

    What you are describing is theft and I dont blame you for leaving the club.

    On a side note - u came to Melbourne and didn't visit me at my club BOO
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    Are you sure it wasn't just two separate mistakes? I mean, if it was by design (like "when you get a hundred dollar bill, keep $20; they won't notice in the pile of change") wouldn't there have been a consistent holdback?

    I mean, sure get your correct change, and that was absolutely correct, and why would you be embarrassed - I mean, you should be embarrassed if you didn't tip at all, but not for this.

    And yes, the customer chooses how much to tip, but tipping is important to the income of the server, and is worked into the costs of the drinks and stuff. While you should "decide" what to tip, nobody should decide to tip below the standard minimum tip in their geographical area. I'm sure you weren't doing that - I'm just putting it out there.
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    ^^
    you're right for the US and other countries Jenny but our waitresses get $20 per hour as their standard wage and our drinks are expensive. A beer is $9. Tipping is not required or customary in Australia.
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    ^^^That is interesting to know!

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    Some nights the waitresses can make more than some of the dancers coz they have guaranteed $20 per hour plus whatever the make in tips. Some of them make damn good money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Are you sure it wasn't just two separate mistakes?
    No. I am not sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I mean, you should be embarrassed if you didn't tip at all, but not for this.And yes, the customer chooses how much to tip, but tipping is important to the income of the server, and is worked into the costs of the drinks and stuff. While you should "decide" what to tip, nobody should decide to tip below the standard minimum tip in their geographical area. I'm sure you weren't doing that - I'm just putting it out there.
    Whilst it is not mandatory here to tip, I usually leave the coins or at least a couple of dollars in the tip tray.

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    On a side note - u came to Melbourne and didn't visit me at my club BOO
    Back to Melbourne next weekend. I will make it up to you. ...

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    I was at a casino once and had won big. I went to cash in, and the cashier shorted me $100. When I called her on it, she sort of smiled and, without looking, picked up a hundred dollar bill where it had "fallen" behind the cash register. I was pretty drunk, and my guess is she thought maybe I did not know how much I had coming back and would be happy with $400 instead of $500.

    I considered reporting her and having them play the security tapes. Then I decided that I had my money, so I let it go. I would've hated to make somebody lose their job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahMike View Post
    I would've hated to make somebody lose their job.
    Agree. Especially when you cannot be sure which is why I did not complain as well.

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    I've been ripped off before by a waitress. When I asked for my change back she informed me that I had paid with a $10 and not my claimed $50. When I showed her my ATM receipt from 2 minutes earlier showing I had taken out $50, showed her my wallet and what do you know, no $50 note, she had the bouncer kick me out.

    I'm sure he enjoyed his cut. It's apparently quite a lot more common than people think, especially if they think you're too drunk to notice.

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    Twice in a row, 2 different waitresses probably wasn't an accident. I'd be annoyed as hell- and I'd stop handing them one hundred dollar bills.

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    This is the reason I always try to have small bills. I'm still old school in using cash to pay at most places so I usually break my $20's at the grocery story or gas station. So if a drink is say $5 I'll give $6 or $7 for drink plus tip and I don't have to worry about getting the right change.

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    Always get what your owed. Unless it's so miniscule it doesn't matter AND you think it will be an issue to try and get it back. And if a mistake does happen, make sure you especially concious for the rest of the trip.

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    Back a few years ago I made the cardinal mistake of getting drunk in one of my two favorite clubs. I'd gone through all my smaller bills and only had two $100 bills left.

    I went up to the bar and got a drink, this time a plain coke for $6 instead of the usual crown and coke I had been drinking. Ok, so this is some pretty simple math right? $100 minus $6 should equal $94! This was the first time I had gotten a drink from this particular bartender since it was just at the beginning on the evening shift.

    I was suspicious as soon as she handed me my change back because the previous bartenders had counted the change back to me while this one just slapped it down on the bar. So in my intoxicated state I tried to count my own change. The first time I came up twenty dollars short and low and behold the second time I came up twenty dollars short too!

    I got the bartender's attention and she came back over to me. When I inquired about my missing twenty she just blew me off and insisted she had given me the proper amount. When I insisted otherwise she threatened to have me thrown out. Then she just turned and walked away.

    There was a dancer, Ms P, standing at the bar who had just finished up her shift and had been talking to another patron before heading into the dressing room. I had noticed her watching me while I was counting my change and my interaction with the bartender caught her full attention. I'm standing at the bar, drunk and kinda dumbfounded when she walks up to me and takes my money. She counted it one last time on the bar, and then it was on.

    I had done some previous business with Ms P but not much, just a few dances here and there so it wasn't like I was one of her regulars or someone she knew very much of. But that didn't stop her from getting fired up for my sake. I quickly became just a bewildered observer to a scene that escalated to include the evening and daytime managers and almost the owner.

    She got my twenty dollars! And then dragged me back to the private dance rooms and took the rest of my money too.


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    ^^^Not trying to sound cynical, but when was the last time a waitress made a mistake by givine back too much change?

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    Well, getting short-changed, or having to wait for change, is a hassle both in a SC and in other establishments (grocery stores, gas stations, restaurants, drug stores, bookstore, etc.). In the past there have been number of time when I had to tip someone $1 or $20 when I wanted to tip $5, simply because I did not have change. Other times the seller has a problem breaking a larger bill.

    I’ve solved that problem by having exact change every time. Now, whenever I buy anything for cash, I’ve gotten into a habit of simply pulling out my wallet, and giving the seller however much it is. At most, I receive coins back. I found it so much more convenient and easier.

    Every month or two, I get from my bank a stack of twenties, a stack of fives, and a stack of singles, instead of going to an automatic teller machine every week. I keep these stacks home and every couple of days I simply add the appropriate amount to my wallet and my wife’s purse. I never have worry about change; my wife never has to worry about change. In a very small way, it makes my life just a little easier.

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    When I was younger I worked in a VERY VERY busy nightclub as a waitress and I did make change mistakes. It's harder than it looks when you are remembering 19 different drinks in your head, have people talking to you all around and are trying to make change one handed with a tray of martinis in your other hand.

    One night I ended up EXACTLY a hundred dollars short. I must have given somebody a hundred instead of a one bc I was in such a hurry. Motherfucker kept it, of course...I have also accidently short changed people. I short changed somebody like five dollars once and he yelled at me...the next time I brought his drinks he was STILL yelling at me and I got so flustered I counted out his change wrong again (by like a dollar or something) and he freaked out AGAIN!

    So, it does happen. Plus, you have to realize, people tell bartenders waitresses all the time that we gave them the change wrong...more than once people have claimed they gave me a hundred and I've showed them all the cash I had, NO HUNDREDS! and they still inisted. So, if a customer tells us they got short changed it is our automatic assumption they are trying to scam us unfortunately and that may be why people get met with hostility.

    I am sure there are scam artists out there, but honestly, it is a lot more complicated than it seems when you are doing five physical tasks at once, counting change, remembering things, listening to people, and mistakes are made.

    The best way to bring up a problem is with respect. Say something like, "I'm sorry to bother you but I just handed you a twenty dollar bill and all I recieved in change was X. I don't think that's correct."

    If you get pissy or agressive, I would assume you're lying. Remember, if a bartenders drawer or a waitresses bank is off, they have to pay it out of pocket so they will be xtra careful to make sure that you aren't lying. No offense to you or anyone else, it's a sad reality that people try to scam the bar all the time
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    She got my twenty dollars! And then dragged me back to the private dance rooms and took the rest of my money too.

    Ms. P, huh? I know who you're talking about. Clever hustle. That would have probably worked on me, too.

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    that crap happens at our local club all the time, especially with this one hot bartender, you buy a drink and hand a twenty, she gives you your change in ones, so you don't sit there and count it.

    She shorts dudes all the time and funny cause it pisses off the dancers at this point as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BirdofEden View Post
    On another note, waitresses get 20 an hour in Australia???? Whoah! Waitresses and bartenders on the East Coast of the U.S. get like 2.13, which is ALL taken by the government for taxes, so we get a 0 paycheck. ALL our income comes from tips. I have noticed that Australians don't tend to tip much, I guess because tipping isn't necessary in Australia? Please take notice, in the U.S. it's NECESSARY!
    Minimum wage in New Zealand is $13.50/hour, and I believe it's higher in a lot of Australia. We don't have the tipping system really and thank god! I've been to Canada/stuck in LA airport for hours and god it's confusing

    Normal waitresses make like $15-16 an hour but if they can stay can end up on a lot more and strip club barmaids probably make more. The tip system pisses me off in general - it may work for some but across the board it's just not moral IMO. Waitresses can make good money on the tipping system but it's not exactly stripper-money

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    ^^^

    Wait, how is tipping not moral? I mean, beyond that you know dancers make ALL their money from tips, right?

    And also many waitresses make stripper money in America... I used to make 2-300 night waitressing....


    If you're in America, it's common to tip 18-20% on a tab, if you are ordering drinks one at a time 1-2 dollars a drink...its only confusing for a short while if you're not from here. My ex was English and he had it figured out by the time I met him!
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    No no, I mean a system where the only way you make money is on tipping. Obviously stripping is the exception in that by the sounds of things a decent body + some effort = plenty of $$ but from what I hear of waitressing in the US it can be incredibly stressful and I just can't stand the idea of being that dependant on your customers.

    Sure, I work in customer service but if someone's mood dictates the money I make for that hour it sort of lends itself to having to kiss way more arse than I'm ever willing to do.

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    Bah, second reply didn't work (hope this doesn't double up!) I'm happy with a blanket rule about percentages but I've never witnessed a discussion about tipping on an American forum that didn't turn into a debate, talking about different percentages depending on where you are etc etc

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