Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 101

Thread: Is Public Education a Failure?

  1. #1
    God/dess
    Joined
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,519
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 53 Times in 32 Posts

    Default Is Public Education a Failure?

    I'm sure this thread will be rich with the different experiences of people all across the world.

    My personal experience with the public education system is that it is specifically geared to intelligent (though not "gifted") students who are studious and university-bound.

    People who are workplace or college bound are not given the opportunity to develope their skills and achieve their full potential.

    What is public education where you are and how do you feel about it?

  2. #2
    God/dess pookie's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    3,508
    Thanks
    6
    Thanked 36 Times in 6 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    its has failed miserably in America




  3. #3
    God/dess
    Joined
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,519
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 53 Times in 32 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by pookie View Post
    its has failed miserably in America
    Expand, discuss, support your arguments and experiences. Let's make this a rich thread

  4. #4
    Banned i.breathe.in's Avatar
    Joined
    Sep 2006
    Location
    ohio
    Posts
    4,967
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    i thought you werent doing debate threads anymore

    but, the american school systems are god aweful.

  5. #5
    God/dess PaigeDWinter's Avatar
    Joined
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Cocoa Beach, FL
    Posts
    10,220
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 52 Times in 37 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    I had a great education IMHO until public high school. Only due to their lack of putting me in the classes I was capable of. But schools have changed so much since I was in em.

    Oh and, well... if the punctuation horror in another thread (lulz) is any indication? The public school system should be shot many times in the groin.
    Number of times Rickrolled on stage: 6
    *******************************

    Marasmus ... "Ladies don't fart. They butt-laugh."
    Marasmus says, "Oh no, that wasn't gas, it was merely a rectal chuckle."

    Marek says, "A friend of mine got punched in the face by a dominatrix stripper about two weeks ago and I thought of you."

  6. #6
    God/dess
    Joined
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Your imagination
    Posts
    2,875
    Thanks
    19
    Thanked 174 Times in 119 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    public schooling is indoctrination that isn't real-world useful, unless you want to grow up to be a bureaucrat. other types of schooling (home, private) at least provide indoctrination that is useful and beneficial.

    ETA: i mean public schooling in the american sense of 'public schools'.

  7. #7
    Veteran Member Rockell's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    460
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    I think how sucessful public education is largely depends on the region. Naturally, more wealthy areas that have greater resources are the most sucessful. Very poor areas with smaller budgets and students who have chaotic homelifes are not. I think whether or not a child succeeds mostly depends on the people around him that set example--friends,family, in addition to teachers. In a poor community where pimps and drug dealers are the only examples of wealth and "success", impressionable young minds will not value education no matter how good the schools are. In wealthy community, students are surrounded by more people who become successful by working hard and going to college, so they may feel expected to do the same. I spent most of my life in a poor school district, but then my parents moved us to a very good district for my last two years of high school. Not one friend from my childhood has gone on to college, but most of my friends from the better school went because it "was the thing to do". Parents also play a BIG part.

  8. #8
    Banned i.breathe.in's Avatar
    Joined
    Sep 2006
    Location
    ohio
    Posts
    4,967
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter View Post
    Oh and, well... if the punctuation horror in another thread (lulz) is any indication? The public school system should be shot many times in the groin.
    teehee!

  9. #9
    Featured Member glitzy's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2008
    Location
    down by the bay, ca
    Posts
    773
    Thanks
    821
    Thanked 319 Times in 138 Posts
    My Mood
    Sneaky

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    i found school very easy, but mostly boring. my favorite classes were journalism & photography because they allowed me to make things & be creative & not just regurgitate information & learn the same things year after year.

    i also went to catholic private school for two years & found that to be even worse.

    i'm having trouble staying motivated in college because most of the general education requirements are just like high school. i'm finally finishing this semester, so hopefully it will get better.

    if i could do it all over again i would have dropped out at 14, passed my GED, gone to community college & taken it seriously for two years, then entered a good university somewhere from 16 - 18.

  10. #10
    God/dess
    Joined
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Your imagination
    Posts
    2,875
    Thanks
    19
    Thanked 174 Times in 119 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    ^^^ this is why short term school (to pass a truly difficult competency test) and competency tests are better. also, bring back apprenticing for all jobs!

  11. #11
    Bianca O'Blivion
    Guest

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Three stories-

    I went to "low-performing schools" (read: low-income) and am successfully self-employed, no criminal record, and able to converse intelligently with people of all ages.

    Someone I know went to private schools and one of the most prestigious colleges in my state...But you wouldn't know it if you talked to him. Not a stellar guy.

    & My ex's brother graduated Law school, passed the Bar...And decided to let his wife support them both because she earned so much as a worker for a prestigious computer company. He is a total fucking buffoon. I was SO disappointed when I met him- he was the first law school grad I ever met, and also the dumbest.

    My point?

    * Some intelligence is intrinsic.
    * Some people are luckier than others, have access to better resources and connections to get ahead in life.

    But, you can't polish a turd or make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Great schooling can take one far but it won't fix fundamental flaws in one's character or personality. That's why some college dropouts are millionaires and some Harvad grads end up in shacks in the woods building bombs and printing manifestoes. (Unabomber, I'm looking at you.)

    I also feel that teachers are not paid enough for babysitting other people's spoiled rotten crotchfruit- I'm referring to substandard students. I feel like kids that ruin school for others need to be expelled or punished.

    And lastly, schools need to push science and math. American kids soooo have the brainpower to do better in those areas. Let's give them the tools (and stop voting down school bonds!)

    ETA- & yes, occupational training needs to come back.
    Last edited by Bianca O'Blivion; 09-18-2008 at 10:36 AM.

  12. #12
    Featured Member glitzy's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2008
    Location
    down by the bay, ca
    Posts
    773
    Thanks
    821
    Thanked 319 Times in 138 Posts
    My Mood
    Sneaky

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bianca O'Blivion View Post

    I also feel that teachers are not paid enough for babysitting other people's spoiled rotten crotchfruit-


    Quote Originally Posted by Bianca O'Blivion View Post

    And lastly, schools need to push science and math. American kids soooo have the brainpower to do better in those areas. Let's give them the tools (and stop voting down school bonds!)
    amen!!! i got a really bad foundation in math starting with pre-algebra & it made everything from that point on so hard to learn. i also think that kids need consistency & it is hard to learn subjects like math when they have a new teacher every year.

  13. #13
    Featured Member Perry's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Margaritaville
    Posts
    1,168
    Thanks
    43
    Thanked 105 Times in 54 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    I really do love a good chunck of the general education approach. I'm gratefull I was exposed to a little bit of everything, because what I loathed and loved at 16 (Math and English respectively) turned out to be the opposite when I hit 20.

    However, I think we need more teachers (which would demand more jobs and higher pay - that they totally deserve) and therefore smaller classes to really help develope individules in a given subject. That means more attention for students - which is very important. I changed majors 3 times - lots and lots of money kinda, almost wasted.

    I only say that because I can't call a learning expeirence useless. I've also learned (3 years of psychology), that structured education is wasted, or even useless on female children under 6 ish and males at 7 or 8. Female brains simply do develope faster. Middle and high school are a good deal more valueble at an older age than they start at. Our system as is, was based on a farmer's family type - which is a good deal more rare. Just look at several of the summer school arguments. A few decades ago, kids couldn't go to class because they were needed on the farm. It's more of a tradition now in most modern families.

    But yeah, public education needs a make-over. And America hasn't had one since the 40's when they began to stress science and math durning the cold war. Given the leaps psychology, society, science and sociology have taken the past few decades, we need to step up if America intends to stay competitive in the world.

  14. #14
    God/dess jaizaine's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2006
    Location
    melbourne australia
    Posts
    10,144
    Thanks
    328
    Thanked 219 Times in 133 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    I went to an all girls school but it was a public school. It was an excellent high school (we dont have middle school. we just have primary school and high school).

    Where I live some public schools are better than others and this is usually location based. My school was in an affluent area. Schools in lower socio economic areas tend not to be as good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Corgan View Post
    when regulars turn cheap, it's time to kill em off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    You're still a vagina.
    There are many stereotypes about the industry that I work in. Sometimes they can be true but human beings are very diverse creatures and cannot be pigeon-holed into one category.

    Some of the most effortlessly beautiful, kind, intelligent, successful, motivated, driven and ridiculously hilarious women that I have ever met have been dancers. I've met the best friends that I've ever had in this industry.

  15. #15
    Senior Member Joy to the world's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2008
    Location
    South Louisiana
    Posts
    148
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    from going to a private school and a public school in town ....I can say I learned how to bullshit my way through life at private school and I learned how to do busy work....don't know which was better
    Joy to the world

    "Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine."

    "Sometimes I wake up grumpy; Other times I let her sleep"

    "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you."

  16. #16
    God/dess
    Joined
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    8,427
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 30 Times in 22 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    the county i went to school in is one of the best in the country. i was so surprised when i went to college and lots of people from around there had gone to private schools.. til i student taught in baltimore county and baltimore city. scary. i hated it so much that i didnt want to be a teacher anymore and will never step foot in a public school again.

  17. #17
    God/dess kitana's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2004
    Location
    kentucky
    Posts
    3,582
    Thanks
    49
    Thanked 60 Times in 43 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by NewMoon View Post
    Expand, discuss, support your arguments and experiences. Let's make this a rich thread
    Just look at the internet and it's wealth of moronic ignorant persons who simply MUST express their "opinion", and you will see exactly how well "no brat left behind,(so we have to dumb them ALL down)" works.

    U knw wut i mean n00b?1
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Quote Originally Posted by ExoticEngineer View Post
    Feel like a damn salt lick at the goats petting zoo!
    <08SM>

  18. #18
    Veteran Member LiveFree's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    332
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Private school is just as bad if not worse. Schools are like death row of the mind, where dreams go to die.

  19. #19
    God/dess kitana's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2004
    Location
    kentucky
    Posts
    3,582
    Thanks
    49
    Thanked 60 Times in 43 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockell View Post
    I think how sucessful public education is largely depends on the region. Naturally, more wealthy areas that have greater resources are the most sucessful. Very poor areas with smaller budgets and students who have chaotic homelifes are not.
    Actually with the "no child" horseshit, the school districts that do WORSE actually get MORE money than the districts that have more successful students. Go figure eh?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Quote Originally Posted by ExoticEngineer View Post
    Feel like a damn salt lick at the goats petting zoo!
    <08SM>

  20. #20
    God/dess
    Joined
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,519
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 53 Times in 32 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by glitzy View Post
    if i could do it all over again i would have dropped out at 14, passed my GED, gone to community college & taken it seriously for two years, then entered a good university somewhere from 16 - 18.
    What would you have taken? Do you think you would suffer for not having the basics of all disciplines (math, science, languages, ect.) ?

    I loved my Humanities program but I wouldn't feel right not knowing the basics of math and science event though I didn't choose to pursue either at the university level. One thing I learned in university is how closely disciplines relate to each other.

    For example, when discussing religion and creationism, it was impossible not to bring in the science of evolution. When discussing many Shakespearean plays, it was impossible to appreciate the plays without understanding the politics which influenced them.

  21. #21
    God/dess
    Joined
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,519
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 53 Times in 32 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    I really do love a good chunck of the general education approach. I'm gratefull I was exposed to a little bit of everything, because what I loathed and loved at 16 (Math and English respectively) turned out to be the opposite when I hit 20.
    This is why I support a high school diploma as the bare minimum in terms of education. I understand that some people are smart enough to go to college/university at young ages, but I can't help but think that completing a high school diploma should expose you to a broad range of disciplines/skills that will help you better know what you want to do and be a foundation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    Given the leaps psychology, society, science and sociology have taken the past few decades, we need to step up if America intends to stay competitive in the world.
    I agree. I ended up doing Humanities undergrad and there was almost nothing in high school which even gave me a taste of what the humanities are, besides English class.

  22. #22
    God/dess
    Joined
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,519
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 53 Times in 32 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    I went to an all girls school but it was a public school. It was an excellent high school (we dont have middle school. we just have primary school and high school).
    Do you think this experience helped you to better focus on your education, or did it stunt your social skills with men? Or both?

  23. #23
    God/dess
    Joined
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,519
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 53 Times in 32 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by kitana View Post
    Just look at the internet and it's wealth of moronic ignorant persons who simply MUST express their "opinion", and you will see exactly how well "no brat left behind,(so we have to dumb them ALL down)" works.

    U knw wut i mean n00b?1
    hmmm...... I can't help but think that SW ladies are a tad more intelligent.

  24. #24
    God/dess jaizaine's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2006
    Location
    melbourne australia
    Posts
    10,144
    Thanks
    328
    Thanked 219 Times in 133 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by NewMoon View Post
    Do you think this experience helped you to better focus on your education, or did it stunt your social skills with men? Or both?
    Most definitely it helped me focus on my education. I would have been far too concerned with flirting with boys and trying to impress them. I'm so glad that I went to that school. At that age I think education is more important and social skills in regard to men can be learned later in life. I still saw boys outside of school and had a boyfriend at 16 etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Corgan View Post
    when regulars turn cheap, it's time to kill em off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    You're still a vagina.
    There are many stereotypes about the industry that I work in. Sometimes they can be true but human beings are very diverse creatures and cannot be pigeon-holed into one category.

    Some of the most effortlessly beautiful, kind, intelligent, successful, motivated, driven and ridiculously hilarious women that I have ever met have been dancers. I've met the best friends that I've ever had in this industry.

  25. #25
    God/dess
    Joined
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,519
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 53 Times in 32 Posts

    Default Re: Is Public Education a Failure?

    ^^^I think that is great you found other ways to develope social skills with men, having a boyfriend at 16. ect. However, I think I would be concerned if a young woman graduated high school and went to college without the same foundation of social skills with men as her peers. I'm not saying you can't gain those skills while going to an all-girls school. I'm just saying I do think they are important to learn at a younger age.

Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Failure
    By Kat w in forum Life Support
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 12-14-2010, 04:27 PM
  2. failure
    By NewMoon in forum Stripping (was Stripping General)
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 05-26-2008, 10:34 AM
  3. Not a bank failure - CITY FAILURE
    By Deogol in forum Dollar Den
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 05-07-2008, 03:56 PM
  4. failure to appear
    By AtomicPunk in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 03-02-2008, 05:43 PM
  5. Replies: 37
    Last Post: 12-10-2004, 11:52 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •