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    I guarantee those girls at work doing oxy's for fun are buying them on the street. They aren't going to the doctor and getting scripts for oxycontin. If you want to get mad, get mad at the pain patients who divert their medication for money. But I still don't think that has anything to do with you not getting your medication
    I disagree...Dr's KNOW damn well that these girls will do anything and go anywhere for a fix...this is why I dont tell Dr's that I am a stripper. Stripper who asks for meds MUST be a junkie. And there are a lot of other people who ask for meds they dont actually need because they want to get high or are addicted.

    Sorry..addiction sucks yes...get help. Dont abuse the system so that I am treated like an addict because I have actual medical problems. I have sympathy for addicts only as far as their addiction starts to affect me. I know you take issue to this type of thing but the problems caused to people who actual need it..sorry, but that overrides the addicts issues. Get help. Stop making my medical problems worse.


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    God. I fucking hate the health system lately for a similar reason to Cam's. When my mom was in the hospital earlier this year for 3 months not knowing what was wrong, they treated her like a drug addict when she asked for her pain meds she was PRESCRIBED to receive multiple times a day. They would make her wait hours and then when they finally gave her something they looked at her like she was some drug seeker looking for her next fix.

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    I disagree...Dr's KNOW damn well that these girls will do anything and go anywhere for a fix...this is why I dont tell Dr's that I am a stripper. Stripper who asks for meds MUST be a junkie. And there are a lot of other people who ask for meds they dont actually need because they want to get high or are addicted.

    Sorry..addiction sucks yes...get help. Dont abuse the system so that I am treated like an addict because I have actual medical problems. I have sympathy for addicts only as far as their addiction starts to affect me. I know you take issue to this type of thing but the problems caused to people who actual need it..sorry, but that overrides the addicts issues. Get help. Stop making my medical problems worse.


    Thanks for the link though..I'll check it out.
    Everyone wants what is best for themself, that's human nature. But blaming addicts for you not getting your meds is ridiculous. You seem to think they are singlehandedly responsible for you not getting your medication, and that is not the case. I get that you have a passionate hatred for people with addiction problems, but that still doesn't make them guilty of doing anything to you personally. Don't let your feelings about addiction get in the way of the actual facts.

    Most of the illegally obtained narcotics come from pain patients who sell their medication. Why don't you blame them?? If every addict could waltz in and get oxycontin, they wouldn't be going for $1 a milligram on the street.

    Doctors can tell when a patient is drug seeking. There's a whole list of behaviors that people exhibit when they are trying to get drugs. Doctors can tell the difference between someone in real pain and someone who is seeking.

    Doctors are afraid of the DEA and because of that, many pain patients are not properly medicated. That is more than likely the reason you can't get your meds. These doctors aren't the same ones who are taking cash to write oxycontin prescriptions. They are legit doctors who have no earthly reason not to prescribe to patients who have a documented condition. But they live in fear of the DEA and refuse to prescribe because of it. That's why you have to fire that doctor and find one who will help you.

    Read these articles and this website as an example of what I am trying to say:
    http://www.doctordeluca.com/Library/...spective05.htm

    http://www.doctordeluca.com/

    http://www.doctordeluca.com/

    There are countless others with similar stories. These doctors live in fear of the DEA.

    Specialized pain management professionals WILL prescribe meds. You have documented proof of your conditions. You go in there with your medical records, you talk to the doctor, he has you sign a pain contract that states you will only get prescriptions from him, and then he treats you. There are many doctors who do this. I am certain that you can find one who will be more than happy to help you. Good luck.
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    Andygirl...... with all due respect. If CK isn't feeling well maybe it's not the best time to get into a drawn out debate.

    A little compassion goes a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Andygirl...... with all due respect. If CK isn't feeling well maybe it's not the best time to get into a drawn out debate.

    A little compassion goes a long way.
    I'm trying to help her. But I'm not going to sit here and have misinformation spread. Addicts have not caused her problems. She has an irrational hatred of anyone with addiction, as if the solution is as easy as "get help."

    The question could have been asked without any issue, but every time this comes up she blames addicts for her difficulties. I'm just trying to explain to her that the reasons she can't get her meds are much more complex than that. I can only hope that she would prefer to be educated about the topic than to keep blaming the wrong people.

    And you are right, a little compassion does go a long way. That's something that we could ALL use more of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Not being taken seriously by your physician is the WORST feeling. Being treated like you have ulterior motives is unimaginable...
    Which is why I've had raging ADD for a decade now that seriously affects my life and always has...but I haven't ever tried to get medication for it. With trendy articles popping up in every newspaper, magazine and news-media outlet about how adderall abuse is the latest fad, I'm afraid I'll just be humiliated by a doctor who thinks I'm faking it and want pills to get high.

    :hugs: CK. I hope you can find a better doctor or pain clinic and get what you need.
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    I dont have any hatred for addicts at all. I have pity for them and hope they can get help. But the fact is...if nobody abused these drugs,there would be no issue with Dr's prescribing them. They are on edge about it BECAUSE so many people get addicted and abuse them.

    I wish you would stop saying I hate addicts...I dont. I know you think addicts should be coddled and catered to at all times and blame should never ever rest on their shoulders...having an opinion different then that doesnt equal hatred.

    I know the whole addict thing is very personal to you so maybe staying out of threads like this would be best for you . You cant really see the whole picture.

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    OK so I found a Dr that not only specializes in chronic pain conditions..he also specializes in back problems, and since mine have been getting progressively worse and Hubby has been bugging me to see a back specialist is good. He takes my insurance and hopefully being a pain specialist he will 1) give me the meds I need and 2) maybe...just maybe be able to FIX some of these problems so I dont have to take the meds anymore. That would be nice.

    I have to wait a week to get in,so hopefully I dont have an attack in the meantime....

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    But the fact is...if nobody abused these drugs,there would be no issue with Dr's prescribing them. They are on edge about it BECAUSE so many people get addicted and abuse them.
    Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

    Opiates are highly addictive, which is a big risk in prescribing them. Doctors are afraid to prescribe because they are concerned that patients will become addicted. It's impossible for them to know who will and won't become addicts, so they just don't write the scripts. Or they give patients a few weak pills instead of meds that would really treat their pain. Withholding pain meds from people who need them is not the answer to the problem.

    And, as I have previously stated, doctors are also afraid to prescribe because of the DEA breathing down their necks. None of this is the fault of addicts. They are simply some of the casualties of the "war on drugs." And so are patients like you. If our government could relax on drug laws, we could properly treat pain patients AND properly treat addiction.


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    I wish you would stop saying I hate addicts...I dont. I know you think addicts should be coddled and catered to at all times and blame should never ever rest on their shoulders...having an opinion different then that doesnt equal hatred.
    I have never said that addicts should be coddled. Just because I think they should be treated as people who have a disease instead of people who have a moral defect does NOT mean that I think anyone should be catered to.

    Yes, addiction is personal to me, but I'm certainly not overly sensitive about it. I'm not ashamed that I have a disease, and I don't use it as an excuse for bad behavior. And I believe that once someone realizes they have a problem, it becomes their responsibility to try to get help, or at the very least, to not blame others for it or use it as an excuse.

    And it sure seems like you hate addicts. You don't seem to have any tolerance or understanding for them. You blame them for your medication issue even when solid evidence has shown that many other issues are a much more likely cause. It seems that because of your frustration with your own medical treatment, you are short-sighted when it comes to this topic. And that's ironic because you are telling me that I don't see the whole picture. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

    I participate in these threads because I feel I have something to contribute. I'm not blinded by emotion or anger on this. But when I see misinformation, I am compelled to try to shed some light on the truth. Unfortunately, a lot of people will continue to believe whatever they want, even if it is wrong.

    I also contribute when I have something to add that might be helpful to someone. That really is why I came into this thread in the first place, to try to help you.

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    andygirl, what about so many people overprescribed meds by their doctors that get them addicted to them? then they want to cut them off cold turkey? luckily my doctor hasnt done that but i am addicted to my meds, and i fear for the day he wants to take me off of them. and yes iw ish he had never put me on them to begin with.

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    If you don't mind my asking, what do you take? Also, don't mistake dependency for addiction. Plenty of patients are chemically dependent, which is different than addiction.

    This is a good, fairly short, article that talks about the difference:
    http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/ar...ion_vs_de.html

    Another thing that bears mentioning is something called pseudo-addiction. It's where a legit pain patient exhibits drug seeking behavior because their pain is uncontrolled. It's unfortunate because doctors might not realize that's what's going on and just wave a patient off as a drug seeker. CK, that might be something to think about when you do see a doc.

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    How can you NOT see that BECAUSE people get addicted to some meds(and I'm not saying that they are at fault for it...esp if it is an addiction to something they are prescribed) it makes it more difficult for others to be taken seriously????

    If nobody was addicted and even worse...just took these same meds just for fun like the people we ALL know who get Oxys or whatever to party with...it woudnt be an issue. I have no problem getting refills on most of my meds...just those considered addictive and/or "party drugs" because Drs cant or wont take the time to find out and help those who dont need the drug.

    And I do not think addiction is a disease. Sorry but I dont. It is a dependency that CAN be treated. It isnt like cancer. Some people get hit over the head with it by taking scripts written by bad Dr's...some completely do it to themselves. If you inject that heroin knowing damn well you will likely get addicted...whose fault is your addiction to it BUT yours??

    You want to relieve yourself of responsibility by calling it a disease...one that you have said many times that you have no intention of getting help for. How is that anyones fault but yours?

    So when I need these meds...now the Dr has to look at me and try to figure out if I really need it or if I am just an addict. And most wont bother and just pull them from the patient.

    So yes..addiction has a HUGE influence in how these meds are dispensed and how patients on them are treated.

    I have a lot of sympathy for addicts and I think there should be a cheap maybe free way for them to seek help. But addicts that have no intention of helping themselves no matter how much pain is causes those around them....I have a hard time feeling for them. Ask anyone who grew up with alcoholic addict parents who refused to stop...what their life was like. And tell me that the addicts problems are more important or should be felt bad for more then those kids.

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    I'm tired of trying to rationally explain this to you. It doesn't matter if you "think" addiction isn't a disease, because it is. Ever heard of the NIH? It's the National Institute of Health, one of the most respected medical research organizations in the world. Addiction is a chronic disease:
    http://www.nida.nih.gov/about/welcom...hronicdisease/

    I doubt you could find one legitimate medical organization that doesn't recognize addiction as a disease. So you can talk all day about how it isn't, but you are wrong. It's not a matter of opinion, it is a fact that has been backed up with tons of evidence.

    As for my addiction, you don't know the first thing about it. I just said that I think that once you know you are an addict it becomes your responsibility to deal with it. I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MYSELF. You have no idea whether I am actively using or if I'm in recovery. You also have no idea how I grew up, whether I know what it's like to live in an alcoholic home, etc. I would not try to tell you about yourself when I don't really know the first thing about you, so please do me the same favor.

    The topic was your difficulty in getting meds, not the ramifications of addiction. I could tell you my opinion about it, but I doubt you'd even read it. I've already tried to give you several very good links to information about this stuff, but you are content to be willfully ignorant. It's very difficult to have a conversation with someone who won't even consider your point-of-view, or listen to your suggestions when you are trying to help.

    I'm more than happy to have a rational discussion about addiction with people who can respect and listen to other people's views. But I can't keep repeating myself here. I hope you get the help you need. It sounds like you really need it.
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    uh addiction is a disease and it runs in both sides of my family and i have it also. it is not pleasent.

    sorry ckxxx. just becuase you dont have experiance with it does not mean it isnt what it is.

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    I don't have links to the pharmies I used to use. But if you get a script and want it to be cheaper you can fill via Canada etc.

    I agree with cam on addiction not being a disease. And yes I'm an addict although clean as a whistle these days. So, I hope to not offend anyone or derail this thread horribly so. I simply couldn't keep my nose out of it any longer. This is not pointed at ANYONE. It's just how I see things, and it's just an opinion. With that being said.

    I have abused scripts in my lifetime. Be it the ones the Dr's gave me or the ones I bought off the street from others. How I got the drugs is neither here nor there.

    I am genetically inclined to be an addict. Neither of my parents are, but their fathers were and so are some of their brothers and sisters. Growing up I was told how disgusting drinking is and how if I were to drink I'd surely end up like my grandfather. Who died on the couch (where my mom found him) at 52 from liver failure. I don't believe medical science had proven then that it's a gene and the proper education to help prevent children from turning into addicts is by simply educating them on how addiction happens, not just in the prevention.

    Given that it's a gene issue, I will still say I do NOT feel it's a disease. A disease in my eyes is something we don't necessarily go out and seek. Comparing drug abuse to cancer is comparing apples and oranges. And I feel far too many people use the disease aspect as a cop out to explain away their weakness and relapse. "OH I can't help it, I have a disease!" No, you have control issues which is a behavioral problem. If more people took PERSONAL responsiblity for their OWN behavior rather than blaming it on genetics and diseases more people could possibly recover.

    Do people get dependent on benzo's pain pills? Yes. Is this the responsiblity of the DR...no. You are an adult, and you know when you are dependent. Over all it is your body and up to you and no one else to wean yourself off. I get so tired of hearing countless excuses as to why people can't get off of benzo's or pain meds.

    I've not had rehab for these issues ever. Not once. Back this winter I was at my worst taking upwards sometimes 10 norcos a day plus a bar or so of xanax. I didn't miss a day for 9 months. I went from that to NOTHING. Was it hell? Yes. Did I shit myself and vomit blood? Yes. Did it suck for 2 weeks? Yes. Did I get clean and survive? Yes. ANYONE can. It's a matter of how bad do you want it. It irks me when people blame Dr's, genetics and dependency as to why they are having issues. You do it to yourself. Ultimately you have control.

    Are there stronger regulations put into place due to the abuse of rx drugs? Yes. And there should be. My father has a horrible spinal disease. All his discs have fused. One fall and that's it. He's been on pain mgmnt meds for 25 years. He goes through the same shit as far as getting his meds. However, If you aren't abusing them you should never run out. If you are sticking with a program and going per medical orders things should be smooth sailing. The regulations that are now in place that most dr's are adhering to isn't because of addicts as much as NOW there is an understanding of how dangerous over medicating people actually can be. 20 yeas ago when my father was put on a cocktail that would make your head spin, DR's weren't aware of how addiciting this shit was. It wasn't till oxy's began making headlines that people in the medical field began taking things more seriously. By regulating and making you strive to get your meds, it does weed out the addicts. It does weed out the people that depend on random dr's to give them an endless supply. its a lot of work just to get a fix. Are there people out there are being denied true medical care when in pain? yes to an extent.

    Its rather hard for me to keep my beliefs out of this thread, because I've been now on both sides of the fence. And I'm trying to not be on a soap box. However, I feel a lot of people depend on drugs to fix issues that they are only covering up. 20 years ago there wasn't social anxiety like there is now. In my opinion we are a society of lazy asses who refuse to quit complaining and take shit in strides, so the gov. decided to make a pretty penny off of it. Why do you think so many people who truly don't need it are on benzos? The gov makes billions off pills. the more people dependent and prescribed the more money that lines their pockets. There are people that need to be on it, but that's a small percentage compared to those that are just on it because they chose to not handle their issues. A lot of dr's feel this way too and that's why it's getting harder ad harder just to walk in and demand xanax among other things.

    Pain pills (getting back on subj here) cause more good than harm most of the time. Most people are damn near overdosing on acetaminophen which is in the end does cause your organs to act rather fucked. The worst part of detoxing off of pain pills is the part where your liver and kidneys have to get used to no longer processing acetaminophen. And people wonder why, even though they are on opiates they are still in pain and sick all the damn time?!

    Pills are the easy solution for most issues. However, seeking out healthier ways to handle pain, anxiety and depression tends to take some effort and most people are either all or nothing with no patience to explore their best options.

    And for the records, I do know that medications improve the quality of life for some. My father is proof of that. Without his meds he cannot get out of bed. 90% of that is his health. The last 10% is dependency. Withdrawal for him would kill him.

    Saddley most people on meds are on it because they choose to be on it. Not because it would improve the quality of their lives. And in the end they gain more health problems, long standing sicknesses and require more meds to combat the ever growing list of new diseases. Its a cycle that proves to be never ending for most. And that saddens me. Tolerance is the first sign of dependency.
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    Do people get dependent on benzo's pain pills? Yes. Is this the responsiblity of the DR...no. You are an adult, and you know when you are dependent. Over all it is your body and up to you and no one else to wean yourself off. I get so tired of hearing countless excuses as to why people can't get off of benzo's or pain meds.


    i tried to get off benzos without help from my doc, and i had 2 seizures. my meds are cut in half from what it used to be but im still not off of them. and this is coming from someone who dropped coke like it was a hot pan, it was easy as hell for me to stop that.

    you dont think a doctor has some responsibility when prescribing things like these that are habit forming? i wish he would have never prescribed them to me and recommended CBT and a therapist.

    in the UK you cant hardly even get a script for benzos, the medical community looks down on them poorly as a whole. they are light years ahead of us in that respect.

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    If every medical authority says something is a disease, why can't you believe it? Again, it's not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. If you don't believe what scientific research has proven, then I don't really know what else to say.
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    I think some Dr's shouldn't be Dr's. Some are there because it's a paycheck. Quacks prove that exists. I feel the same way you do on that subj because I had a dr give me paxil because of the kick backs he received. I wasn't educated in it and thus going off of it was worse than going off of heroin. It was awful but I survived. Just like I survived going off of heroin.

    I have no idea how I didn't have seizures. Taking a bar once or twice a day for almost a year is a lot. Maybe I got lucky. I don't know. But ultimately it is up to you to do the research these days. Which is sad since we pay so much for medical care and for the most part get sub par treatment.

    Thank god for the internet. I find that not being educated on these things is a poor excuse in the time we live in now .There is far too much information out there to claim ignorance. However, you now know that you want to go off the benzo's so I would research a way to taper off to prevent serious issues. It's not fun believe me. You do have panic attacks, and you do lose sleep. But it all evens out with time. you just have to be patient and find new ways of calming yourself down and dealing with it.

    I'm not trying to be preachy. I just know 8 months ago I would have told you I never would go without being on something. No matter what it is. I am on nothing at all these days. And I feel 100x's better. I get stressed, I lose sleep and I panic. But I just found ways to work around it. Personally I rather be dependent on myself than a pill to get me through hard times.
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    Thank you Sophia for stating what I was thinking far more eloquently then I did.

    I DO have experience with addiction..it runs in my family ..rampant actually...and I've watched close friends struggle with it. I still do not consider it a disease. A disease is something you cannot control yourself....you CAN control addiction if you want to....some with help,some without as Sophia so clearly is a living example of.

    My point is simply...the meds I"m on that are not classified as addictive I can get by the boatload...no problem. The ones that are classified as addictive I have to jump through hoops, be treated like a junkie,etc...and sometimes just straight out denied. That is the SOLE consequence of the fact that people do take them recreationally and/or get addicted to them.NO other reason...thats why the DEA is such a bitch about them. Nobody gets hassled for asking for birth control pills. But ask for pain meds and you are scrutinized like a crackhead trying to score.


    And Andy..no I dont know your current situation..all I know is what you have said. Since I'm not a psychic thats all I have to go on. And you've said in the past that you did NOT want to get help. If you have changed your mind since then and are in recovery...good for you.

    No matter what I do or try or what Dr I go to...my pancreatitis is not curable. Period. I hope that one day it will be...but until then I have a DISEASE that cant be cured. That is the difference between disease and addiction. I was born with this...I did nothing to bring it onto myself and theres nothing that can be done to fix it...just help it. Addiction has a plethora of things that can free a person of its hold. All you have to do is want to get better. HUGE difference.Both are horrible and both can change your life...they have similarities....but they are not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andygirl View Post
    If every medical authority says something is a disease, why can't you believe it? Again, it's not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. If you don't believe what scientific research has proven, then I don't really know what else to say.
    It can be called a disease all they want. Personally, and it's my opinion people use that as an excuse as to why they can't get better. It's a crutch to more than it is understanding.

    So if I go by medical science, I suppose I cured myself of a disease considering I was a heroin addict from 12-23 with a year off here and there. And not one single relapse since. Never been on methadone ever. And I can trust myself if I were to ever be around it. The same to be said for the pain bills, benzo's etc.

    I find it amazing that recovering addicts that are SURE they won't relapse (like myself) won't call it a disease but a life choice! But those that don't get help ...or go through the motions of getting help than falling off...call it a disease!

    I chose to be an addict, I didn't wake up one day and find a needle in my arm and say "Oh crap I guess I got that disease". No I chose to seek out an addiction. I chose to not stop it before it got out of control. Genetically I was prone to get it easier than most. However, I went out and caused myself ill will. Its not a tumor. It's not cancer. It's something I chose. I made my own bed. And one day I cured myself of it. And for that I'm grateful. I quit making excuses for my behavior and took control. No one can cure themselves of HIV, cancer or Lupus. I have lupus, it's a disease. I can't cure myself of it, however I can maintain it. I cured myself of a drug addiction and yes for me there is a difference. A vast difference. And anyone here that is living with a terminal illness or disease I think would agree. I don't give a shit what the medical community has to say over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andygirl View Post
    If every medical authority says something is a disease, why can't you believe it? Again, it's not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. If you don't believe what scientific research has proven, then I don't really know what else to say.
    well, this is like an argument i had with katrine one time. i do not believe that cocaine is physically addictive. doctors may say so.. but ya know what? drs say a lot of things. pharmacuetical industry, anyone?

    (this has nothing to do with my feelings on the topic of addiction being a disease or not, btw. just throwing that out there.)

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    Again...thank you Sophia. I agree 100%

    And BTW...you are an amazing person to get through that by yourself!!

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    Sophia im morbidly curious do you think anorexia or bulimia is a disease?

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    well, this is like an argument i had with katrine one time. i do not believe that cocaine is physically addictive. doctors may say so.. but ya know what? drs say a lot of things. pharmacuetical industry, anyone?

    (this has nothing to do with my feelings on the topic of addiction being a disease or not, btw. just throwing that out there.)
    Amen. I seriously feel that entire saying an addiction is a disease rather than just stating "It's all in genetics and easily if you begin using narcotics ..drink or take meds you can get in very deep rather quickly. You aren't wired like most" is too complicated for a vast majority of society to comprehend or have them take personal responsiblity for their actions. I've had to conversations with my sons where I explained that given who I am and who their father is...if they choose to use substances it's very likely they will develop a moderation issue and have a hard time coming back from it.

    People need to educate themselves and their children on not only the dangers of it all but WHY it's so dangerous. But most people are lazy or depend on others to do that for them. And thats a fact.
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