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    NY Post copy reads ...

    (snip)"Holy Zeus, what are they thinking ? Days after Michelle Obama so movingly hailed her husband's humble origins, the Democratic donkey yesterday turned into a Jackass when planners erected this over-the-top on the stage at the Denver stadium where 'Greek God' tonight gives his acceptance speech"(snip)


    and of course there are many others out there who have much more to say about Obama's 'altar' ...

    (snip)"When I heard this [Obama's 'altar' at Mile High stadium - sic], I couldn’t help but be reminded of another famous world leader who also loved to deliver his propaganda to the quivering masses from a podium that was created specifically to resemble a Greek temple. A little bit of history:

    In two campaigns, starting in 1879, the Pergamon Altar in Pergamos, Turkey was excavated by a German archaeological team lead by Carl Humann. The altar was shipped out of the Ottoman Empire from the original location and was reconstructed in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin in the 19th century. Today the altar still sits in Berlin where it can be seen alongside other monumental structures such as the Ishtar Gate from Babylon.

    In 1934 Adolph Hitler became the dictator of Germany. Hitler ordered construction of the Tribune at Zeppelin Field in Nuremberg specifically for the purpose of his Nazi rallies. Several volumes have been written detailing the deeply occult nature of Hitler and the the Nazi regime. Not surprisingly then the Nazi architect of the Zeppelintribüne, Albert Speer, actually used the Pergamon Altar as the model for what essentially became the premier Nazi pulpit. The Führer’s podium was located in the middle of the replica Pergamon Altar.

    What is also noteworthy is that Biblical Scholars are in near universal agreement that it was this very Altar that was referred to by Jesus in the Book of Revelation as “the throne of Satan”:

    To the angel of the church in Pergamum write: These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword. I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. —Revelation 2:12-13

    After comparing the design of Obama’s podium to the Pergamum Altar, it is clear that the two are nearly identical. While some are claiming that Obama’s Temple is modeled after the Russian Kazan Cathedral, it is clear that Obama’s Temple bears a much closer resemblance to the Pergamum Altar.

    So, for those who are accustomed to watching “the signs all around us”, in what must be seen as prophetic, Obama’s acceptance speech will be delivered from a replica of what Jesus Himself refers to as “Satan’s Throne.”

    Now, please do not get me wrong, I am not comparing Barack Obama to Satan. I’m comparing him to Hitler. First, the two are / were extraordinary orators who had seemingly magical powers to hypnotize the glassy eyed masses. Secondly, they are both extreme leftists. Third, the two think very highly of themselves. Few will argue that Barack Obama has done very little to discourage his Messiah-image. The set design of this speech a perfect example. And now fourthly, we find that the two share some very unusual tastes: They both found it appropriate to model their respective power-podiums after Greek Temples dedicated to the “gods”. Both have chosen to give perhaps the most important political speeches of their lives in replica Greek Temples, under the lights, in an open field, to the masses of their cheering fans. And lastly, but most importantly both Barack Obama and Adolph Hitler share the commonality in that they both proudly place their stamp of approval on the wholesale slaughter of millions upon millions of fellow human beings. In Hitler’s case, it was the Jewish people, those who God has referred to as “the apple of my eye”. And in Obama’s case, his support is for the slaughter of the most innocent little lambs that this world has to offer; those who our creator no doubt would refer to as “the least of these”. So when you see Barack Obama step up to his pulpit of power, remember the other man who not so long ago made powerful speeches in a strikingly similar fashion to the masses about how he was going to better all of their lives.

    “Obama is the hope of the entire world.” - Louis Farrakhan
    “Hitler was a very great man.” - Louis Farrakhan "(snip)

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    im not sure whats more retarded, that other people are thinking hes being worshipped at a makeshift temple or if you felt this actually had political posting merit....

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    fortunately, in this forum at least, merit is not a requirement. This IS a news story. Also, there are bound to be a certain number of American voters for whom this imagery will NOT play very well (see link to Berlin Folly below). It is also not playing very well with some media commentators ...



    (snip)"Has He Lost His Mind? [by Charles Krauthammer - sic]

    “Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's big speech on Thursday night will be delivered from an elaborate columned stage resembling a miniature Greek temple.

    The stage, similar to structures used for rock concerts, has been set up at the 50-yard-line, the midpoint of Invesco Field, the stadium where the Denver Broncos' National Football League team plays.

    Some 80,000 supporters will see Obama appear from between plywood columns painted off-white, reminiscent of Washington's Capitol building or even the White House, to accept the party's nomination for president.

    He will stride out to a raised platform to a podium that can be raised from beneath the floor.”


    -- Reuters, Aug. 26, 2008

    The Berlin folly -- in English. -->

    The Superbowl Halftime Show -- without the game.

    What's the finish? Maybe Obama’s got Zhang Yimou to do the hidden-rope trick, and have him lifted, Beijing-style, to the heavens when he’s done. Will he reappear three days later at the Bird’s Nest?

    Or maybe he'll just do a Napoleon and coronate himself. By the time Napoleon made himself emperor, he had won the Battles of Lodi, of Arcole, of Rivoli, of the Pyramids and of Marengo. And had promugulated the Napoleonic Code. He had yet to write a single autobiography"(snip)

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    Oh, let's just wait and see what the presentation is. If it's over the top, let's talk about it then.

    Charles Krauthammer is to conservatism what Ellen Goodman is to liberalism - i.e., terminal. Grain of salt recommended.

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    I think it's just a podium. He is speaking to 75000 people after all they have to make something big, you know? I highly doubt that was their intentions . That doesn't look like an altar to me, more like a giant gazebo.
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    God loves strippers and when guys do things like that its an automatic ticket to HELL!


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    im not sure whats more retarded, that other people are thinking hes being worshipped at a makeshift temple or if you felt this actually had political posting merit....
    This is the first time I have ever felt like using this bit of slang but here goes. Oh snap!

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    also didn't GWB have similar columns erected at a speaking event at one time? Was that an alter too?

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    fair enough ... we'll keep an eye on any near term changes in the polls to see if there is anything to the 'altar' news story or not. Actually, some have stated that the issue actually has just as much to do with the image of speaking to huge crowds outdoors at night.

    (snip)"Although they make up only 3% of the electorate, Jews have been historically important, mainly as activists in the Democratic party and as generous donors. Unlike young voters and African-Americans who have in the past turned out in low numbers - but are both predicted to turn out in large numbers for Obama this time - Jews are dependable about casting their ballots.

    Jews tend to be overwhelmingly Democrats, with 65% identifying themselves as Democratic or leaning Democratic, according to a June survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, compared to 23% who identify as Republican or leaning Republican.

    A Gallup poll in April put Obama on 61% to 32% for McCain.

    Forman said that while Jews are concentrated in places such as New York and California, which both vote Democratic anyway, there were also large numbers in states where the outcome is not as predictable: Florida, Ohio, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Michigan and Wisconsin."(snip)

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    I'm sorry, but what in the world does the Jewish vote (or Hispanic, black, or white, or female, or male, or whatever) vote have to do with the stage setup at the DNC event tonight?

    Incidentally, I've been to concerts at Mile High, and there's all kinds of stage setups available. Shoulda seen Pink Floyd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    I'm sorry, but what in the world does the Jewish vote (or Hispanic, black, or white, or female, or male, or whatever) vote have to do with the stage setup at the DNC event tonight?

    Incidentally, I've been to concerts at Mile High, and there's all kinds of stage setups available. Shoulda seen Pink Floyd.
    thank you. i was thinking the same thing.

    as far as the alter goes, lol, theres a big tv screen on the back, all it is is a fancy podium. they have been showing it briefly on tv.

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    I'm sorry, but what in the world does the Jewish vote (or Hispanic, black, or white, or female, or male, or whatever) vote have to do with the stage setup at the DNC event tonight?
    (snip)"guest Ben Stein, while discussing Sen. Barack Obama's plan to deliver his speech accepting the Democratic presidential nomination at Denver's Invesco Field, stated that he did not "like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people" because "[t]hat is not the way we do things in political parties in the United States of America." Stein continued: "Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done. And I think whoever is advising Senator Obama to do this is bringing up all kinds of very unfortunate images from the past."(snip)

    (snip)"Stein then declared, "It's a scary situation. ... But 75,000 people screaming in an outdoor arena, that's just too much. It's just -- it's scarily authoritarian." He continued: "It's like Juan Peron and Evita."

    Stein is not the first guest on Glenn Beck to compare Obama to Adolf Hitler. On February 22, National Review Online editor-at-large Jonah Goldberg said: "I think one of the things that is decidedly fascistic, or at least just a bad idea, is looking for silver bullets. You know, when Barack Obama campaigns, he's basically saying, 'I'm a silver bullet. I'm going to solve all your problems just by electing me.' FDR, Hitler, all these guys, they basically said, 'All your problems can be solved.' "(snip)

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    obama compared to adolf hitler?

    lmao!!!!!!

    oh my god....i think i just wet myself.

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    hey, I'm just the messenger ...



    (snip)"The substance behind words:

    We can tell a lot about what a politician thinks of his audience based on his approach to speaking to them. A politician that believes his audience is mature and intelligent will appeal to their logic rather than emotion. He will tell them the unpleasant truth because he believes his audience can handle it. A politician that does not think very highly of his audience will do the opposite. He will remain as vague as possible and appeal to their emotions above all else.

    “All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.”
    — Adolf Hitler

    It is not hard to deduce Obama’s opinions of his audience. When he’s in public he uses vague terms such as “hope” and “change” rather than attempt to define exactly what it is he intends to do. He appeals to the authority of examples in history in order to imbue their qualities into his words rather than extoll the virtues of any specific policy he proposes. Let’s not forget his creative “borrowing” of other people’s words either. (see: Deval Patrick) In essence, he aims to inspire, not inform.

    “I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.”
    — Adolf Hitler

    Behind closed doors, however, Obama shows another side to him as he attempts social psychoanalysis on the people whose votes he seeks:

    “[People in small towns] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy towards people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
    — Obama, at a San Francisco fundraiser. (Behind closed doors)

    Insults and condescension aside, what is wrong with this picture? Why doesn’t Obama share his amatuer psychoanalyst-side with the rest of the people? Surely a great orator as Obama can do it without insulting them, right? It would be impressive for Obama to tell the American people exactly what they’re thinking (as he seems to think himself capable of doing), but it appears he doesn’t seem to think highly enough of voters to tell them what he thinks, only what he wants them to feel.

    Tactics for seizing control:

    “He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.”
    — Adolf Hitler

    Its no big secret that Obama bases most of his appeal with youth voters. This is a common occurrence in the history of the rise of tyrants. Most are supported fervently by the young. Hitler famously used this technique to gain power. The tyrant-to-be must hide his true ambitions behind a mask of emotional appeal in order to seduce the gullible and unwary. The youth most often falls into this category, not yet “broken in” to the number one rule in electing a ruler: watch their actions, not their lips.

    “The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.”
    — Adolf Hitler

    In the year 2000, a fierce primary raged in the Republican party. Two candidates, John McCain and George W. Bush polarized the party. Some sleazy personal attacks against McCain appeared at a crucial moment. In the end, Bush won, but not without sowing the seeds of animosity. McCain believed he had been the victim of some dirty tricks and attributed the attacks to the Bush campaign. Bush denied it. The vitriol was so bad that many expected McCain to leave the party. By most accounts, including the Democrats that met with him to discuss such matters, he almost did. Nevertheless, to the surprise of many wide-eyed pundits, McCain strolled into the convention in support of Bush. Chalk it up to character or political posturing for another run. Despite this, the rivalry did not subside. The two men represented opposite ends of the Republican party.

    In the years to follow, McCain became a vocal critic of the management of the Iraq war. When the blueprints for the Surge rolled out, he was one of the first to embrace it while rejecting the Bush doctrine. He has also been critical of the wasteful spending which the administration allowed and even its tax cuts. He earned the scorn of a lot of Republican leaders for this, as well as his “maverick” handle from the media, seeing him as a thorn in the administration’s side. Despite their many differences and long history of rivalry, Obama attempts to caricature McCain as essentially a Bush-clone in many of his speeches.

    “No matter what the costs, no matter what the consequences, John McCain seems determined to carry out a third Bush term…”
    — Barack Obama

    Returning to the subject of Obama’s views of voters, what do you think this tells us about Obama? Surely the people must know Bush’s policies, they’ve been the law of the land for nearly eight years. Surely, any voter interested in the issues would study the policies of the candidates carefully. If one candidate’s policies were identical to the current administration’s, wouldn’t it be readily obvious even to the most untrained eye? Why would the average voter need Obama to tell them that Bush and McCain are the same person if its obvious? Only if they wouldn’t get that impression from looking at the record, only if it weren’t true.

    “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”
    — Adolf Hitler

    (For the sake of accuracy, it should be noted that a version of this quote first originated with Goebbels, Hitler’s propaganda minister. In this particular quote, Hitler was paraphrasing him.)

    “Sooner will a camel pass through a needle’s eye than a great man be “discovered” by an election.”
    — Adolf Hitler

    January 2nd, 1996, Obama began his under-handed crusade for the senate. With a crack team of lawyers, he challenged hundreds of vote petitions and managed to eliminate all of his fellow Democrats from the ballot. One fellow candidate was Alice Palmer. Up to that point, she had been grooming Obama to succeed her once she retired. Not willing to wait, Obama took matters into his own hands and denied her the right to run for her own seat. Alice Palmer is the same woman who essentially launched his political career. Apparently, Obama didn’t trust the voters to “discover” a great man in that election, so he chose for them.

    The genes of tyranny:

    Obama and Hitler both have displayed a penchant for eliminating “undesirable” infants. Hitler’s case is well known; he believed he could create a master race through selective breeding, mandatory sterilization of “undesirable parents” and abortions. Obama’s methods lack the scope of ambition but the end result is similar - Obama has legalized the murder of already-born infants.

    In 2002, an important bill known as the “Induced Infant Liability Act” cropped up in the Illinois senate. The purpose of the bill was to protect infants who had been born alive after a failed abortion from being “aborted” after birth. In the United States, the second a person is born, they become a U.S. citizen. Taking the life of such a citizen is murder. That is something both pro-choice and pro-life advocates can agree on. Even the most pro-abortion lobby in the country, NARAL, did not oppose it nor the federal version of the law.

    Obama on the other hand, did oppose it, TWICE. In doing so, he helped establish the legality of murder of infant Americans in his state.

    Both Obama and Hitler are of mixed racial heritage, and distort this heritage to control public opinion. Hitler hated jews and made a career of it, so he hid the fact that jewish blood ran through his veins. Obama has made a career out of embracing his “blackness” and African American heritage. His first book, “Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance”, was based entirely on that premise. There’s just one problem: Obama isn’t an African American, Obama is an Arab American.

    Obama is 50% caucasian, 43.75% arab, and 6.25% black. According to federal law, an American citizen must be at least 1/8th, or 12.5% of a particular race to be considered a member of that race. Obama meets that criteria easily to be considered an Arab American but not African American.

    (The astute reader will have noticed that being that Obama is not truly African American, the title of this article is inaccurate. I have decided upon that title rather than an alternative due to the public’s general familiarity with Obama as an “African American”.(snip)

    The second coming of the holocaust:

    The next president of the United States will inherit a looming crisis: Iran. The president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has called for the annihilation of Israel on more than one occassion, and has promised to be the man to do it. In that same breath, Mr. Ahmadinejad’s nation is in the process of developing nuclear weapons. As he has stated his aim is to annihilate israel, has the power to give such an order, and is developing the capacity to meet such an end, it is reasonable to take this threat seriously. Very seriously.

    The best solution to this problem will come from careful diplomacy, not appeasement. Appeasement is a word that is tossed around rather carelessly these days, so please allow me to explain the distinctions with an analogy:

    Scenario A. A man walks into a field with a briefcase where a little girl is picking flowers. His name is Mr. Nari. He then opens up his briefcase and pulls out the components for a gun. As he is reconstructing his weapon, another man, Mr. O, walks up and asks Mr. Nari what he’s doing. Mr. Nari responds by informing him of his intention to shoot the little girl. Mr. O is alarmed and asks Mr. Nari, “What do you want?” “Just to talk, that’s all,” responds Mr. Nari. Mr. O is relieved. All he wanted was to talk! So Mr. O obliges him and begins delivering a powerful argument against shooting people. Meanwhile, Mr. Nari nods his head in agreement as he keeps on working at putting together his gun. Soon he springs the last part into place, raises his weapon, and shoots the little girl dead. “What did you do that for!?” demands Mr. O. To which Mr. Nari replies, “You idiot, I told you that was what I was going to do and you sat here chatting away, giving me the time I needed to pull it off.”

    Scenario B. A man walks into a field with a briefcase where a little girl is picking flowers. His name is Mr. Nari. He then opens up his briefcase and pulls out the components for a gun. As he is reconstructing his weapon, another man, Mr. M, walks up and asks Mr. Nari what he’s doing. Mr. Nari responds by informing him of his intention to shoot the little girl. Mr. M is alarmed and pulls out a gun of his own and points it at Mr. Nari. “Don’t even think about it,” warns Mr. M. “Whoa, relax, I just want to talk,” says Mr. Nari. “Throw that away, and then we’ll talk,” replied Mr. M. Mr. Nari pauses, stares at the gun pointed at him, then reluctantly obliges. And so they talk.

    Scenario A is appeasement, scenario B is diplomacy with preconditions. Most tyrants with diabolical ambition have complex schemes that require a lot of time to acheive. To acquire the time needed, they often use diplomacy as a stalling mechanism. So long as they are giving up nothing in the talks, they are getting something for nothing. That is why the word “appeasement” is used to describe these sorts of situations: the well-intentioned head of state gives up something the tyrant needs (time) for nothing in hopes he’ll change his mind. History has shown this to be ineffective. That is the purpose of preconditions. A precondition is something the leader must give up before formal diplomacy is engaged. In the case of Iran, it would be their nuclear weapons program.

    Of the three most major candidates this election season has seen, only one of them wants to engage in the sort of diplomacy described in scenario A, Barack Obama. Ahmadinejad wants the time necessary to complete his genocidal ambitions, and according to Obama, he intends to give it to him. Obama must understand that his methods consist of appeasement at some level, because when Bush gave a speech about appeasers without naming a name, political party, or even national origin, Obama decided he must’ve been talking about Obama.

    There are approximately six million jews in Israel today. If Obama’s policy of appeasement becomes U.S. policy, then Ahmadinejad will get his wish. Never again, is the slogan of Holocaust survivors. If Obama gets a chance to enact this policy, we will have let them down. Perhaps then, when an entire nation is wiped off the map with millions dead, people will finally learn that appeasement does not work. Then again, you’d think we would’ve learned that lesson from Hitler and the first Holocaust.

    Holocaust deniers often pick up on one fact to stake their claim: Hitler never issued an order for the Final Solution. This is true. It was actually the brainchild of one his subordinates. Hitler merely allowed it to happen, and in doing so, was responsible for it. If Obama follows his stated position regarding Iran, he will find himself in a similar position - staring at the annihilation of six million innocent lives and doing nothing to stop it.

    History repeats:

    Pop Quiz 2. Name this leader:

    The nation was in shambles. A previous ruler had led the country into an unnecessary war, the economy was failing, and a sense of depression filled the air. Then, a new leader emerged. He was a powerful speaker, offering hope, change, and a fix to the economy. He wrote two books about his experiences and used his literary work to propel him to success. He was an open christian with some muslim friends. He called for unity and considered himself an advocate of peace. Some of his political opponents cast him as naive and inexperienced. He also had alot of radical ties, but the media, and ultimately the voters, were willing to overlook that.

    Who is he?

    The answer is Hitler. It’s something of a trick question, because nothing in the characteristics of the above described character bear any distinction between Obama and Hitler. The only difference is that the final sentence implies that the leader has already been elected, while Obama has not been elected. Yet."(snip)

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    i know your just the messenger, it just reminds me of the fact that theres a lot of morons in the world for people to say that and believe it.

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    (snip)"Tomorrow, the world will be beset by the intrusive broadcasts of Barack Obama as he pronounces himself from the Mile High Stadium in Denver, CO, before "Roman columns" dressed in "the Obama insignia" -- that giant "zero" with a red-striped foreground (the propaganda-point of that insignia is that it is unique to "a" man and the party politic and affixes itself to all-that-is-said-to-be-national, just as with previous configurations fulfilling the same purpose in other lands) (a "new seal" for a "new country" -- hardly a happenstance message or afterthought statement by the Obama/Left politic of today, because the insignia is INSISTED upon the eye, it represents, for lack of a better word for it, "force" of sorts, as in, "a force to be followed" -- it represents, by how it is applied, by the use of the mark, an overtaking or replacement of the existing country with an individual personality supplanting country and the red-stripey centermost addition is the "pathway" or force to be followed [I add, whether one wants to or not, like going down a drain, and thus, the trouble implied by the statement made]).

    The giant columns, the stadium, the "special insignia" (bars/lines), the Messianic posturing and goals of singular, saving-grace "one" with the leader, these were each and all used at Nuremburg many decades ago, and used in the very same methods, for the very same purpose - a few terms changed but the politics remain the very same, reoccuring as I write this, from the horrible past to the horrible present.

    The results of that horrible past were, to put it mildly, despicable. Falling victim to the same hypnotic effects for the same reasons -- with a few changes of terms but formulated upon the same political goals, deploying the same atmospheric imagery -- is lunacy.

    "...Still standing in Nuremberg are the two sites where most rallies took place, the Luitpold Arena and the Zeppelin Field. Both were constructed on a grandiose scale.
    The Zeppelin Field, built between 1934 and 1937, was modeled after the Pergamon Altar, a magnificent second century BC structure in what is now Turkey.

    Rows of columns stood at each side of the limestone tribune from which Hitler delivered his orations. Dominating the scene was a huge gold-plated swastika. Thirty-six light towers flanked the field.

    Hitler had more than 100 anti-aircraft spotlights installed around the flanks of the field, all pointing straight up. One of the most famous images of the rallies was created when Hitler switched on all the spotlights simultaneously, creating what some called "a cathedral of ice."(snip)

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    Well, it wasn't temple columns. The stage setup was evocative of the White House, which I felt was rather clever marketing. Obama and everyone else walked out to the stage.

    People who don't like Obama won't want to admit it - people who like Obama will be wildly enthusiastic - and then there's the others. To the others, Obama gave a very good speech. He overpromised, which politicians just about always do, but he mitigated it with appeals to Democrats and Republicans alike. He addressed a healthy portion of the real concerns that people are having and that give President Bush such a low approval rating. He finished off on a high note.

    I don't think that "just being the messenger" for the comments of a former speechwriter of Nixon and Ford (Stein) and a leading conservative magazine's editor-at-large (Goldberg) is completely innocent or objective, Mel. Didn't take long for Godwin's Law to come in. Really, now. Must we?

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    ^^^^ jay give up, its like preaching to the choir....

    that being said is the stage as the whitehouse really as bad as this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Real View Post
    ^^^^ jay give up, its like preaching to the choir....

    that being said is the stage as the whitehouse really as bad as this?

    pwnd!!!!

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    again, when a news story gets page 1 coverage in the NY Post it means something to somebody. It was also a bit surprising that the potential imagery issue with Jewish voters wasn't picked up on by either you (Jay) or Breathe. So when I answer your question and point out some comments by media figures explaining the potential imagery issue with Jewish voters, suddenly I'm a Godwin's Law violator !?!?.

    I'll stand by my earlier comment i.e. sitting back to see what impact (if any) this may have on future polls / support for Obama by Jewish voters.

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    I still don't see the Jewish connection except as an artifice by Obama opponents.

    Posts #1, #11, #13, #15, strong references to Obama being like Hitler. Well, yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    hey, I'm just the messenger ...
    That's actually what the Nazis said while killing millions of Jews. . .

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    I was trying to let this subject drop until poll / election data become available, but ...

    there are those who are pointing out that Barack Obama, if elected president, may also wind up being responsible for the death of 6 million Jews ... the current population of the country of Israel ... that may be wiped out by an Iranian nuke made possible by US inaction / ineffective diplomacy. Of course this fear by some number of American / Israeli Jews equates Obama with Britain's Neville Chamberlain rather than Hitler.
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    Yup, Godwin's Law applies nicely here. Good call Jay. You've been on a roll lately!

    Yesterday I mentioned I thought that Bush also had a similar stage set at one time and today I did a quick google and found it.


    So I guess that means that all that the conservatives just tried to attack Obama with in regards to this stage set and it's supposed symbolism of evil also goes for Bush too, right?
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    a few of the responses at your own link pretty much states the other viewpoint ...

    (snip)"Incidentally, in 2004 Bush was the President of the United States. Just thought that should be mentioned. The Presidential Seal under the podium is the real deal (not the fake one Obama Co. created). The stage at Invesco and the stadium setting is another example of the arrogance of the Obama camp (not necessarily the candidate)."(snip)

    (snip)"Here's the thing. Bush could get away with it because no one was accusing him of excessive ego, elitism or celebrity. He was the regular schmo everyone wanted to have a beer with. The columns didn't mean anything in that case. BUT with Obama, he's being labeled an egomaniacal, hubristic celebrity. So columns reminisent of a temple should be avoided. The criticism (concern by some of us) is fair. we just don't want it to be used to further label him an elitist messiah figure."(snip)

    (snip)"This isn't about substance or logic. This is about perception. And this "Greek temple" motif plays right into the "Obama has a god complex" meta-narrative the Republicans are creating. This sort of thing CAN decide an election (see Kerry's "I voted for it before I voted against it" - perfectly reasonable to those who knew the background, but utterly disastrous politically). In a nutshell: this helps the GOP define Obama, which is something he cannot let them do."(snip)

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    I can’t believe you are STILL defending this complete absurdity.

    My point was the photo. Not the reader responses to the blog. Duh!!!! The photo shows a very similar stage set to the one Obama used.

    If we are to take your attempted linking of Obama to Hitler serious should we not also make the same connection between Bush and Hitler? I mean they both used similar stage backdrops and can both be said to support the murder of innocents. Bush with the war and Obama with being Pro-choice. Oh wait, Bush is a republican and Obama is a Dem so that makes calling Obama the new Hitler all a-ok, right? Not!

    I'm pretty darn partisan and all but you my dear take the cake!


    Oh well, I’m not going get into it with you. It’s your opinion and I’ve shared mine now too so I’m done.

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