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    not to insult her by objectifying her, but I'd totally love to see her strip! I bet she'd do a mean stage show with those hot glasses of hers!

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    Sarah Palin has done nothing to deserve being elected Vice President.

    If you care about the environment at all....She is a nightmare. I'm always amused how those far right Christian conservatives can't respect all life on earth....bunch of hypocrits. But i guess its really Christian to shoot high powered guns for trophies and to screw of one of the last pristine environments on the planet for oil. Somehow I dont think "God" would be impressed.



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    I'm from a "swing" state (Nevada) there are many, many, voting Obama supporters here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    Sarah Palin has done nothing to deserve being elected Vice President.
    just cuz no-one has posted this yet, i don't think ( I haven't seen it)



    Even Kudlow who leans Republican sounds astonished that she doesn't think its a "big job"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post

    If you care about the environment at all....She is a nightmare. I'm always amused how those far right Christian conservatives can't respect all life on earth....bunch of hypocrits. But i guess its really Christian to shoot high powered guns for trophies and to screw of one of the last pristine environments on the planet for oil. Somehow I dont think "God" would be impressed.
    What I can't understand is whow Christ Cons are anti-abortion because its is "destroying a life", yet are for the dealth-penalty?

    Can we have our cake and eat it too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    I didn't know there were that many Arabs out of Alego, Kenya.

    (snip)"During the 8th century, Arabs and Persians founded colonies along the coast and came to dominate a large part of what is now Kenya for many centuries to come. This is how Swahili (together with English the official language of Kenya) appeared: a Bantu language with many Arabic loan words. Swahili became the ‘lingua franca’ (general language) between the many tribes.
    The Arab and Persian traders also brought religion with them – today the majority of the people in the coast region are Muslim – and from the beginning they traded slaves, transporting them to the Arab Peninsula, the Persian Gulf and other Asian regions."(snip)

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    (snip)"Arab governance of all the major ports along the East African coast continued until the British, aimed particularly at ending the slave trade and creation of a wage-labor system, began to put pressure on the Omanis. By the late nineteenth century, the slave trade on the open seas had been completely outlawed by the British and the Omani Arabs had little ability to resist the British navy’s strength. The Omani Arab legacy in East Africa is currently found through their numerous descendants along the coast, directly trace ancestry to Oman and are typically the wealthiest and most politically influential members of the Kenyan coastal community."(snip)




    I'm from a "swing" state (Nevada) there are many, many, voting Obama supporters here.
    ahhh ... at last ... a poster whose vote will actually 'count' in the upcoming election !

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    It's not surprising that there's a community of Arabs in Kenya. There's a community of Brits in Kenya, too. Doesn't mean Sen. Obama's father is white.

    Shall we look at Sen. Obama's father and pick out those Arab features of his?

    "Temples" that aren't, pedigree that isn't correct (and shouldn't matter anyway). These are real issues?

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    Some "items" on prior posts- JZ#99, & Melonie#106:

    JZ- Would that man be Obama's father or stepfather? Reference source??

    Melonie- The 2nd link that you provided makes reference to 70 different tribes in Kenya, and then goes on to say: "There are also small, but influential minorities of Asian, Arab, and European origin. Being an Arab colony would no more make a tribal Kenyan native Arab, than being a US citizen would make one of Cherokee (or any other Native American tribe) lineage an Anglo- Saxon. As I write this, there is probably someone trying to trace Obama's lineage back to the 7th century.

    Anyway, coming from 1 of those states that count, I'll be looking at other factors besides whether Obama is 1 or 43.5% Arab.

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    These are real issues?
    well they only become issues if someone makes an issue out of them I suppose. So far Barack Obama has consistently portrayed himself as a black man and consistently downplayed any arab / muslim aspects. The US mainstream media and black American voters have readily accepted this. In fact most of the US mainstream media has actively helped Obama to downplay any arab / muslim aspects, with any actual references to Obama's arab origins being confined to obscure sources (that are easy to ignore / discredit). For example ...


    (snip)"Robert Ethan reported recently that:

    Barack Obama has had a major impact on the recent disputed Kenyan election. He spoke in support of Orange Democratic Movement opposition leader Raila Odinga when in Kenya in 2006. The two men met last fall when Odinga visited America as each was preparing an “insurgency” campaign in their respective countries. In a recent BBC interview, Raila Odinga, averred that he and Obama were “old friends who spoke often on the telephone”. Odinga also said that he and Obama were cousins, a claim that the Obama campaign was unwilling to acknowledge, (given Odinga’s current difficulties) but did not deny."(snip)

    Jerusalem Post:

    But even in this atmosphere Obama stands out - for not only does he theoretically support appeasement, he is actively advancing the interests of Islamists seeking to take control over a state allied with the US.

    Kenya currently teeters at the edge of political chaos and civil war in the wake of the disputed Dec. 27 presidential elections. Those elections pitted incumbent President Mwai Kibaki against Raila Odinga who leads the Orange Democratic Movement. While the polls showed the public favoring Odinga, Kibaki was declared the winner. Odinga rejected the results and his supporters have gone on rampages throughout the country that have killed some 700 people so far. Fifty people were murdered when a pro-Odinga mob set ablaze a church in which they were hiding.

    Kibaki is close ally of the US in the war against Islamic terror. In stark contrast, Odinga is an ally of Islamic extremists. On August 29 Odinga wrote a letter to Kenya’s pro-jihadist National Muslim Leaders Forum. There he pledged that if elected he would establish Sharia courts throughout the country; enact Islamic dress codes for women; ban alcohol and pork; indoctrinate schoolchildren in the tenets of Islam; ban Christian missionary activities, and dismiss the police commissioner, “Who has allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists.”


    Daniel Johnson, NY Sun:

    Who is behind these massacres? The opposition leader, Raila Odinga, has had a good press in the West, after he accused the president, Mwai Kibaki, of rigging the election. But the victims of the recent violence have mostly been members of Mr. Kibaki’s tribe, the Kikuyu, while those who have gone berserk are supporters of Mr. Odinga’s Orange Democratic Movement, which is dominated by the rival Luo tribe.

    Whether Mr. Odinga has ordered his men to commit murder and arson is unclear. But his own background does not exactly suggest enthusiasm for democracy and the rule of law. Mr. Odinga’s father, Oginga Odinga, led the Communist opposition during the Cold War and Raila Odinga was educated in Communist East Germany.


    I can see the headline now, Obama’s Commie Uncle. Democrats banking on Obama to bring a new Camelot to Washington need to pause and ask some tough questions. Their refusal to ask Obama about his familial ties in Kenya, about his foreign policy inexperience, and about his meddling in the Kenyan election, will eventually come up.

    There may be an innocent explanation for all of this. But sticking one’s head in the sand and hoping these uncomfortable issues go away is not a strategy for victory in November"(snip)

    from


    since this particular topic (as well as other topics) have been ignored by the vast majority of US mainstream media, and US voters are almost totally aware that such topics exist, I guess the author is wrong because heads have been stuck in the sand and this issue HAS gone away.

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    Well, this thread has certainly turned...predictable. Like I said eariler, nothing is gonna change. McCain could have picked a blow up doll or a cinder block for his running mate and the usual folks here would be singing its praises, or picking at its flaws.

    I just want to know the important stuff about Gov. Palin, like who's going to portray her on SNL.



    I mean, you can't tell me Lorne Michaels wasn't on the phone with Tina Fey within five minutes of the VP announcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ahhh ... at last ... a poster whose vote will actually 'count' in the upcoming election !
    Sorry, but every vote counts. You seem bent on discouraging people from voting. What's with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    JZ- Would that man be Obama's father or stepfather? Reference source??
    Father. I Google-imaged it. I think that one was from a UK source. But his family history is all over the web.

    from Sen. Obama's website, showing pictures of his bio (black) father, his bio (white) mother, his (Indonesian) stepfather, and his (white) grandparents who raised him for a while in Hawaii.

    It seems that the issue is being made the most out of those who see it as an issue. I don't. He had a white mother and a black father. From a racial standpoint, that makes him unique in American history as a viable Presidential candidate. (If his father were Arab, which clearly he's not, that would make it unique, too.) From a gender standpoint, Gov. Palin's candidacy makes her ... well, in second after Geraldine Ferraro.

    But if all that matters, we've still got a long way to go (yeah, obviously, we've still got a long way to go). How about we focus on quality of governance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zia_Abq View Post
    My first and admitted cynical instinct is it’s a stunt and that he chose her only because she is a woman...
    It was a wise decision due to her gender alone, as far as getting women to vote for him. But she is a traitor to her gender, as someone so eloquently put it elsewhere.

    The republicans already fucked up big-time by giving us a double shot of Bush, and now this. Women mustn't decide what to do with their own bodies, we can't have that now, can we? And it's time to teach Creationism in school, according to this atavistic bitch.

    Democrats suck too, but they are appearing extremely attractive now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    Somehow I dont think "God" would be impressed.


    Which Bush was it that claimed God told him to run for president? I forget. But clearly God wants Republicans who hang out with television evangelists and promote laws for Decency in office.

    Remember what the Supreme Court did to the nudity ordinance case brought by the Daytona clubs. Brought to you by Reagan and Bush Sr. packing it full of moralistic pricks. The rich, getting ever richer, will always be able to hire nude dancers and expensive hookers, while making sure no one else can.
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    Sorry, but every vote counts. You seem bent on discouraging people from voting. What's with that?
    actually, only 51% of the votes count towards the presidential election in each state ... at which point 100% of that state's electoral votes are usually tallied in favor of that candidate (I believe a couple of states don't do this, but they are the exception). As you live in Arizona, which is McCain's home state, and as such is guaranteed to cast more than 51% of its votes for McCain, your vote for either McCain or Obama will have no affect whatsoever on the statewide or nationwide presidential election results. The same situation exists in my home state of New York and about 30 other states which have expressed firm majority support for either Obama or McCain. It is only in those fewer than 20 states where the 51% majority is in doubt that individual votes will actually make a difference in statewide and nationwide election results.

    That's the way the electoral college presidential voting mechanism works, for better or for worse. This system was established to balance the political power of large states versus small states in a manner somewhat similar to the US Senate (which has two votes from each state regardless of the population of the state).

    This fact is also extremely well understood by the candidates, who very logically choose to 'pander to' voters in 'swing' states by concentrating on issues that are particularly important to 'swing' state voters. This is arguably the reason that other issues like gay rights / marriage, to choose just one example, are apparently missing from this year's election discussions - because the majority of gays live in states that are already firmly committed to Obama.

    Arguably, McCain is taking a chance that a good number of 'swing' state voters will relate favorably to Sarah Palin i.e. her 'blue collar' origins, her NRA membership, her strong Christian position, her 'drill now' energy policy etc. While these positions may be anathema in California or New York or Illinois or Massachusetts, and may indeed cause a larger number of voters in these states to pull the lever in favor of Obama, in terms of presidential election results that doesn't matter one speck because Obama is already guaranteed to receive all of these states' electoral votes. However, these positions may actually appeal to some number of 'swing' state voters ... which in turn could result in McCain's support in that 'swing' state to rise from 49% to 51% ... and in turn could result in McCains electoral votes from that state to rise from 0% to 100% !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    actually, only 51% of the votes count towards the presidential election in each state ... at which point 100% of that state's electoral votes are usually tallied in favor of that candidate. As you live in Arizona, which is McCain's home state, and as such is guaranteed to cast more than 51% of its votes for McCain, your vote for either McCain or Obama will have no affect whatsoever on the statewide or nationwide presidential election results. The same situation exists in my home state of New York and about 30 other states which have expressed firm majority support for either Obama or McCain. It is only in those fewer than 20 states where the 51% majority is in doubt that individual votes will actually make a difference in statewide and nationwide election results.

    That's the way the electoral college presidential voting mechanism works, for better or for worse. This system was established to balance the political power of large states versus small states in a manner somewhat similar to the US Senate (which has two votes from each state regardless of the population of the state).
    So you're not voting then correct? Seeing as your vote doesn't matter? Good to hear. Thanks for playing.

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    ^^^ actually I will vote, because my vote does 'count' in regard to state and local candidates who are also on the november ballot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ actually I will vote, because my vote does 'count' in regard to state and local candidates who are also on the november ballot.
    Ok, but you're going to skip over the Presidential election correct? Since your vote doesn't matter.

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    ^ and I'm sure you'll vote the straight Libertarian ticket, right?

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    ^^^ irrelevant except in one aspect. Minor political parties are affected in regard to future state ballot listings based on the percentage of votes they actually receive. In other words, if minor party X receives 1% of the statewide vote in this election they don't have to file petition signatures to list a candidate in the next election. So for that reason I may very well pull the libertarian lever for president .... knowing of course that my vote doesn't 'count' in terms of real presidential election results, but also knowing that in so doing it may be easier for a libertarian candidate for town supervisor or county court judge to appear on the next election ballot.

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    mels right actually the electoral college does have the real voting say. sad but true.

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    ^ Don't you claim to be a Libertarian?

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    ^^^ yes but I'm also a realist !!! I acknowledge that a libertarian candidate for president has about as much chance of actually being elected as a green party candidate or a conservative party candidate or an American socialist party candidate. Of course I'm tempted to comment that many consider Obama to be running on both the democratic and American socialist party tickets at the same time, but I won't because he isn't (officially speaking) !

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    Are you supporting any Libertarians in this election cycle? Who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    ^^^ What 's the relevance between Black people voting for Obama and what she posted?
    Nothing ofcourse.
    Clearly what my Mom was saying is that it’s offensive for McCain to expect women, especially Clinton supporters to vote for Palin (who has nearly complete opposite political views than Clinton ) just because we have the same reproductive organs.

    Obviously it would be equally offensive for a person to vote for someone who doesn’t share their political views just because they share the same race. But Obama has made it quite clear that he does not take that stance and so as I said at the start of this reply what Stoner said has nothing to do with what my Mom wrote to me.

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