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    I dunno man. All these lefties are sounding as bad as Pat Robertson when it comes to "God's Doings" when disaster lands upon us.

    It's all a horrible uproar when Pat Robertson squawks out this shit, but I guess the dems do it too.

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    from your first link ...

    (snip)"So you see, it's funny. That New Orleans will get a hurricane. That's funny because it is due to hit when President Bush is scheduled to speak. Isn't that cool? Fowler isn't the only one who thinks so, just ask Michael Moore.

    We all know Democrats used and use Katrina as a political football as callously as possible. Here's a candid moment showing some can hardly wait for another one.

    All Class.


    BREAKING: Statement from SCGOP Chairman Katon Dawson

    "The outrageous behavior of two of the Obama campaign's highest profile supporters in the south is despicable, a cynical politization of life and death. I call on Barack Obama to immediately denounce Fowler and Spratt and demand sincere apologies from these members of the Democratic leadership.""(snip)


    well at least this dispels wacko theories that George Bush used 'weather control' to purposely direct the path of Hurricane Katrina at New Orleans !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    I dunno man. All these lefties are sounding as bad as Pat Robertson when it comes to "God's Doings" when disaster lands upon us.

    It's all a horrible uproar when Pat Robertson squawks out this shit, but I guess the dems do it too.



    Even though I am a lefty, I agree. It’s not funny that storms especially one that could cause so much destruction may have negative impact on the GOP convention. It’s ironic considering they were praying for Obama’s outdoor speech to be rained out but irony is as far as it goes. Destruction is never “funny”.
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    well at least this dispels wacko theories that George Bush used 'weather control' to purposely direct the path of Hurricane Katrina at New Orleans !
    Yeah, he just used negligence there too, just as he did at 9/11's critical time period.
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    I agree , it is terrible. We’ve been battling hate filled right-wingers like Pat Roberston so long we get sucked into it. It’s one of those 'be careful when fighting monsters' things. Sad to say I struggle with it from time to time myself.

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    John McCain campaigned WITH Rod Parsley in Ohio. McCain called Parsley his spiritual advisor. McCain would not even support a HATE CRIMES Law.


    He's disturbed. Talk about a HATE filled man.

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    There is Pat Robertson. There is Trinity United with J Wright. Fortunately most of us fall somewhere in the broad acreage in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    There is Pat Robertson. There is Trinity United with J Wright. Fortunately most of us fall somewhere in the broad acreage in between.

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    I could believe that if Republicans were not trying to pass laws to encourage their hate and intolerance. The Republican Party is Ruled by the Religious Right.


    Show me where Democrats are trying to pass laws to discriminate against YOUR family members civil rights and protections.

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    John Mccain...what a POS sell out to the Religious Right when he needed votes in Ohio.

    Rod Parsley is a sorry sack of shit....and that is being very nice....not to mention he is a fraud and a conartist.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    I could believe that if Republicans were not trying to pass laws to encourage their hate and intolerance. The Republican Party is Ruled by the Religious Right.

    Show me where Democrats are trying to pass laws to discriminate against YOUR family members civil rights and protections.
    Well, Democratic policies as suggested by Obama aim to destroy me economically. And that destruction would affect my 40 or so employees. I find that discriminatory. I am a small business owner. I mean, small potatoes. Yet your candidate has painted a bulls eye on my back describing me as "rich" in an effort to promote class warfare.

    I have no other stories about discrimination other than that my daughter who is close to brilliant couldn't get a full ride college scholarship because I make too much money. So I paid the tuition. That may seem fair to many of you and thats OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Well, Democratic policies as suggested by Obama aim to destroy me economically. And that destruction would affect my 40 or so employees. I find that discriminatory. I am a small business owner. I mean, small potatoes. Yet your candidate has painted a bulls eye on my back describing me as "rich" in an effort to promote class warfare.

    I have no other stories about discrimination other than that my daughter who is close to brilliant couldn't get a full ride college scholarship because I make too much money. So I paid the tuition. That may seem fair to many of you and thats OK.

    FBR



    At least your daughter could walk into a company in Ohio and not worry about being fired, loose health benefits, and have a bulls eye on her back/life from a gun because Right Wing Bigots consider her a "fag"


    But hey....a big paycheck is more important than someones civil rights and protections etc...etc...so its cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    At least your daughter could walk into a company in Ohio and not worry about being fired, loose health benefits, and have a bulls eye on her back/life from a gun because Right Wing Bigots consider her a "fag"


    But hey....a big paycheck is more important than someones civil rights and protections etc...etc...so its cool.
    Ah... what?

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    Thank GOD Democrats will never be so desperate to need Right Wing Religious Whackjobs in order to win an election. I thought John Mccain was about Country First....nope

    These whackjob churches should have to start paying taxes if they are going to promote their sick agendas and play politics.


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    Why the Christian Right loves Sarah Palin

    By John Whitehead
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    “A genuine reformer. A deeply committed Christian. If I went into the polling booth today, I would pull the lever for John McCain.”

    —James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, said about Gov. Sarah Palin.

    The Christian Right, despondent at the prospect of losing access to the White House when George W. Bush exits in January 2009, seems to have found itself a new savior in the form of Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential candidate.

    But why is the Christian Right so excited about a woman whose name, a few weeks ago, most would have been hard pressed to recognize? Sure, she’s pro-life, pro-war and pro-gun (whatever all that means). Most of all, however, she is a fundamentalist Christian who most likely has been influenced by a strident, apocalyptic form of Pentecostalism. In fact, according to the Associated Press, Palin was baptized in a Pentecostal Assemblies of God church as a teen and attended that church until 2002. There’s no way a person could spend more than 20 years in a church and not be impacted by its theology. And that’s where legitimate questions arise.

    Those who subscribe to an apocalyptic vision basically long for the end of the world and all the violence and bloodshed that comes with it so that Jesus will come back. This could prove to be a dangerous tendency in someone with the power to make war.

    This isn’t to suggest that voters should write Palin off simply because of her religious affiliation. It does mean that we need to know more about her views, and it’s up to the media to ask the hard questions. That’s their job, but I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for them to do it.

    Although many leaders of the Christian Right embrace apocalyptic views, that’s not why they’re throwing their total support behind her. The fact is that Palin is the only hope the Christian Right has of maintaining a presence in the White House—something George W. Bush was all too eager to accommodate.

    Their total support, however, shows the inherent manipulation and, thus, danger of politics. And James Dobson is a perfect case in point. Dobson, the Christian Right’s single most influential figure, had declared that he could not—and would not—support John McCain’s nomination. However, with Palin as the Republican nominee, McCain is now assured of the support of the movement that once opposed his candidacy.

    The electoral might of the Christian Right cannot be underestimated. Religion has often shown itself to be the best predictor of how people will vote. At stake are approximately 18 million evangelical adults. Moreover, 19 percent of registered Republicans identify themselves as evangelical Christians.

    Determined to use politics to advance their agendas, the leaders of the Christian Right have no qualms about turning churches across the country into political headquarters. But what good has it done? After nearly eight years of the Bush presidency, not only is the country devastated both morally and economically, the leaders of the Christian Right are left groveling for a few last-minute scraps thrown from John McCain’s table. As Frank Schaeffer, one of the founders of the Christian Right who has now renounced it, writes, “In 2000, we elected a president who claimed he believed God created the earth and who, as president, put car manufacturers and oil companies’ interests ahead of caring for that creation. We elected a pro-life Republican Congress that did nothing to actually care for pregnant women and babies. And they took their sincere evangelical followers for granted, and played them for suckers.”

    Like moths flickering about a hot flame, the leaders of the Christian Right are eager to get close to political power. But as anyone who has played the game knows, politics is corrupt and manipulative. And the Christian Right was manipulated by the Bush Administration.

    One such person who should know this is David Kuo, who served as Special Assistant to President Bush from 2001-2003. In his book “Tempting Faith,” Kuo describes the way in which the Bush Administration manipulated Christians: “Roves’ Public Liaison office had a religious outreach team in constant contact with evangelical and social conservative groups about every facet of the President’s policy and political agenda. As part of their outreach they held weekly—or more often, as necessary—conference calls to update that community on events and announcements while simultaneously soliciting their feedback.”

    Kuo continues, “This network of people covered virtually every area of evangelical Christianity. The calls began with an overview of what the president would be talking about in the coming week. If necessary, participants were asked to talk to their people about whatever issue was pending. Talking points were distributed and advice was solicited. That advice rarely went much further than the conference call. There wasn’t any malice or negligence behind this. It was just that the true purpose of these calls was to keep prominent social conservatives and their groups or audiences happy. In most ways it wasn’t a tough sell.”

    In fact, Kuo says, it wasn’t difficult to convince Christians that President Bush was on the right side of virtually any tactic. “It should have been a whole lot harder because Christians should have demanded a whole lot more. But all too often, when put before power, Christian leaders wilt.” In McCain’s case, the Christian Right has already wilted.

    Thus, we get to the heart of the problem. Genuine religion has never attempted to merge with politics. If it attempts to influence politics at all, it’s by speaking truth to power and acting as a moral compass for society. In fact, the Christian Right does Christianity a disservice. It greatly misrepresents its founder Jesus Christ, who rejected politics as the solution for what ails us. Read the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5) for a clear sense of his priorities. To Jesus, religion was all about helping the poor, showing mercy (even to your enemies), and being a peacemaker—not a warmaker. He did not bless the powerful. Rather, Jesus said, “Blessed are the meek.”

    Neither did Jesus seek political favors or power. He was apolitical and anti-politics. In fact, Jesus had a tendency to attack and undermine political power. He had no qualms about getting in politicians’ faces, so to speak. Even with his back ripped open and bleeding, Jesus stood before Pilate, the man who had the power of life and death over him, and spoke truth to power: “You could have no power over me if it were not given you from above.”

    Jesus understood that the legitimate use of power does not include using it to impose one’s will upon others. From the Christian standpoint, the proper use of power is to seek justice for all.

    The Christian Right leaders have sacrificed their principles to the false idol of politics. In the process, they have sold their souls for a bowl of political porridge. As C. S. Lewis once wrote, “He who surrenders himself without reservation to the temporal claims of a nation, or a party, or a class is rendering to Caesar that which, of all things, most emphatically belongs to God: himself.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    I dunno man. All these lefties are sounding as bad as Pat Robertson when it comes to "God's Doings" when disaster lands upon us.

    It's all a horrible uproar when Pat Robertson squawks out this shit, but I guess the dems do it too.
    Democrats are just as religious as Republicans. It is the pervasiveness of the media hype of "Godless Liberals" that has created a kind of mythology surrounding what liberals believe.

    Liberals are religious. Just because they aren't fire-and-brimstone-holy-roller-speaking-in-tongues type of religion, doesn't mean that they don't believe in god.


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    Everyone is missing the real significance of Hurricane Ike. It clearly is God's gift to the Chicago Cubs, who now get a couple days off to get their act in gear rather than having to play Houston on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Liberals are religious. Just because they aren't fire-and-brimstone-holy-roller-speaking-in-tongues type of religion, doesn't mean that they don't believe in god.
    Then why do they oppose even the mention of Intelligent Design. Thats tantamount to an absolute denial of the possibility of there being a Higher Being.

    Particularly hypocritical is their " Jesus was a community organizer, Pilate was a governor" mantra. It seems like they want it both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Well, Democratic policies as suggested by Obama aim to destroy me economically. And that destruction would affect my 40 or so employees. I find that discriminatory. I am a small business owner. I mean, small potatoes. Yet your candidate has painted a bulls eye on my back describing me as "rich" in an effort to promote class warfare.

    I have no other stories about discrimination other than that my daughter who is close to brilliant couldn't get a full ride college scholarship because I make too much money. So I paid the tuition. That may seem fair to many of you and thats OK.

    FBR





    Since you think Obama is set out to "destroy" you economically....how many other career options have you looked at?

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    Since you think Obama is set out to "destroy" you economically....how many other career options have you looked at?
    Good point. After 30 years it is about time for a career change.

    I have been considering McDonalds. At 8 bucks an hour working at the counter I will be way under his tax radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Good point. After 30 years it is about time for a career change.

    I have been considering McDonalds. At 8 bucks an hour working at the counter I will way under his tax radar.

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    ...................ahhhh....its about taxes...thought so.

    Yep, typical Republican....memememmememememe



    PS..there is nothing wrong with people who work at MacDonalds....maybe Bush sent their jobs overseas and destroyed them.

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    Since you think Obama is set out to "destroy" you economically....how many other career options have you looked at?
    I've seriously looked at becoming an ex-patriate in Belize or Costa Rica ! Unlike the top earning 1% of Americans that Obama plans to tax through the teeth, I can't afford to become an ex-patriate in Dubai, the Channel Islands, the Cayman Islands, or the fashionable tax-free European locations like Monaco.

    I have been considering McDonalds. At 8 bucks an hour working at the counter I will be way under his tax radar
    well, if Obama's plans to further increase the minimum wage go forward, you're probably looking at $10 an hour. Then add in free medicaid. Then add in rent assistance. Then add in subsidized heat / utilities. Then add in subsidized food (i.e. food stamps and other programs). End result is that the standard of living available to a high school dropout burger flipper will be about the same as the standard of living of a 2 year college degreed worker grossing $50k per year, paying full taxes on that income, paying the full shot for health care + rent + heat / utilities, and paying higher prices for McDonalds hamburgers in order to cover the additional cost of the $10 an hour burger flipper ! Moral Hazard without precedent !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Well, Democratic policies as suggested by Obama aim to destroy me economically. And that destruction would affect my 40 or so employees. I find that discriminatory. I am a small business owner. I mean, small potatoes. Yet your candidate has painted a bulls eye on my back describing me as "rich" in an effort to promote class warfare.

    I have no other stories about discrimination other than that my daughter who is close to brilliant couldn't get a full ride college scholarship because I make too much money. So I paid the tuition. That may seem fair to many of you and thats OK.

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    I'm amazed that you survived 8 years of Clintons presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    I'm amazed that you survived 8 years of Clintons presidency.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    ...................ahhhh....its about taxes...thought so.

    Yep, typical Republican....memememmememememe
    I am up for a spirited discussion regarding who is funding the government

    PS..there is nothing wrong with people who work at MacDonalds....maybe Bush sent their jobs overseas and destroyed them.
    My point was in response to your suggestion that if I have a problem with paying the additional Obama suggested taxes which if fully implemented would bankrupt my company impacting 40 or so long term employees, I should just get another job in some other career area. Clearly, another job in a similar pay bracket would be pointless because the same taxes would apply so I suggested that why not just say fuck it and work for 8 bucks an hour. You can take that as a slight against McDonalds workers if you want but I doubt many would agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    I am up for a spirited discussion regarding who is funding the government



    My point was in response to your suggestion that if I have a problem with paying the additional Obama suggested taxes which if fully implemented would bankrupt my company impacting 40 or so long term employees, I should just get another job in some other career area. Clearly, another job in a similar pay bracket would be pointless because the same taxes would apply so I suggested that why not just say fuck it and work for 8 bucks an hour. You can take that as a slight against McDonalds workers if you want but I doubt many would agree.

    FBR




    I honestly don't care. I've gone through 8 years of what Republicans have done towards my family and all the leftie Obamblognuts comments in the process.

    ......but then I'm happy to say I'll never vote Republican because I will never have blood on my hands by supporting a war.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    I'm amazed that you survived 8 years of Clintons presidency.
    RH point taken. Actually my business did well during his second term as President. I have joked with a few business associates in my industry that if you didn't make money during those years you sucked as a business owner. The debate is still ongoing whether those good times were due to his policies or those of Congress. But in my view Clinton was not a Socialist mentored by radicals in Chicago. I don't believe President Clinton was in favor of income redistribution as the "neighborly" thing to do.

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