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    Default Hunger, calories, appetite

    I do not understand what is going on. Three years ago some nasty shit went down and I lost my appetite completely.

    I was famous in college for having a gigantic appetite, they called me 'Djoser the Voracious', for real (well except it was my real name not 'Djoser').

    I could eat three times as much as the biggest guy in my frat house, and I weighed all of 145 lbs., it was ridiculous.

    But now, though I gained back my appetite somewhat since three years ago, it has gotten worse again. Ever since back then, if anything bad happened so I was stressed or I got sick, I would stop eating. Then slowly get it back, especially if I was working out which I usually do.

    Well since I got really sick for most of March, it's fucking gone. As bad as 3 years ago gone.

    Sometimes it's so bad I dream about food and wake up because I bit the inside of my mouth. Sometimes it's so bad I can literally feel my body eating itself. I can feel the physical pangs of hunger quite literally, but I don't want to eat anything. I feel like if I wanted to I could literally starve myself to death pretty easily, like you read about some fanatic political prisoners doing. Except of course I really don't want to fucking die, so I make myself eat as much as possible--but sometimes it's very difficult to do. Unless I am working out but that usually only works that night later, not the next day like it always used to.

    I feel like one of those fucking yoga guys who can fast for days on end, but I don't want to wind up looking like that.

    I keep going to the store and buying whatever I want, steaks, you name it, and I have to throw a lot of it away because it sits there and goes bad. Throwing away steaks?! I have thrown away far more food in the last three years than in the rest of my entire life.


    And what's up with the fucking calories?? I look at the labels of foods and try to max out on the calories, but so much of the food really doesn't have that many. Like a Stouffers 20 oz. 3-cheese lasagna has only 660 calories! And it's supposed to serve two people??!! I would have to eat three of them to get the minimum 2,000 calories a day. I don't eat any McDonalds or any of that shit but how on earth does anyone ever get fat otherwise?? Why are so many people fat, I just don't get it? Is it sugar calories? Because I won't eat that shit...

    Right now I am still 10 pounds underweight ever since march. Every time I start to gain some back, always from working out like crazy, I fucking get sick again and I can't work out and the appetite hits fucking zero again. I mean I would have killed to look like I do when I was in my 20's, the old boxing guy at the gym tells me I am better than ever, but I am a vain motherfucker and it's pissing me off--plus if I was eating better I would be better still.

    Anyway sorry I suppose I am ranting, but it really is strange the way appetite works.
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    As for why people get fat - they input more than they output. It's as simple as that. People are too sedatry and eat too many calories compared to what energy they expend.

    As for your appetite, Im guessing you didn't have much of an appetite during the time you were sick and it sounds like your stomach has shrunk which is normal. You wont be able to eat what u used to for a while.

    As for your focus on food, whenever we are not having food or eating enough the focus becomes centered around food. People with eating disorders obsess over food, often making elaborate meals for other people and yet not eating themselves.
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    You can buy shakes that are like a meal replacement, in the Uk you can get them at a chemist or even on presciption. Maybe if you don't mind drinking stuff you could try those as they have a pretty high calorie content and they have lots of nutrients and vitamins too.



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    For the loss of appetite, have you though of hypnosis? I get stressed out sometimes and CANNOT eat. Just my stomach says no. I have hypnosis cds I bought online that help immensely.

    Maybe just a simple relaxation tape each night will help? Or you can look online for something more specific to download/order?

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    You might have a touch of anorexia. Guys can develop the disorder too.
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    Thanks for all the replies.

    It's not anorexia, Optimist, lol--but your concern is sure appreciated. I have always been the opposite of anorexic and always tried to gain weight since I thought I looked too skinny (I did until about when I turned 30). As you might observe I am not happy if I feel underweight and will stay home instead of going out if I feel it is too much. Just like some women who feel bloated and fat with 5-10 extra pounds and get all stressed about it.

    But the not eating anyway is relatively new for me, compared to the way I have been for the vast majority of my life.

    It's partly that my stomach has shrank I know. It had to have shrunk in a major way three years ago because I hardly ate for 6 months. I don't think it ever stretched back out. No fucking way could I eat like I used to in college I would be puking halfway through.

    But food is so fucking boring, too. Even steak is boring, which is like sacrilege to me to say. All I want to eat is maybe some fruits or certain kinds of salad, but salad takes way too much effort so I never ever eat it except at a restaurant once in a while. I am trying to eat at restaurants a bit more, since it is easier than cooking.

    Laziness is part of it too, especially on weekends when I am working. All my life I have had nothing but contempt for guys who want women to cook for them, but as I told a friend of mine I could use that for about 6 months maybe, lol!

    But it is so fucking weird to wake up by biting your mouth because you are dreaming about different foods, feeling your body literally devouring itself physically, look over at the refrigerator filled with all kinds of foods, and say 'naaah...'

    The shakes/liquid nutrition are the answer for now, I think. But I was so pissed when I read the ingredients for the CVS version of Ensure. First ingredient, fucking corn syrup, which is fucking sugar, basically, which is not going to help. I did find a really good protein drink at GNS for only 3$ a can but it's only 200 calories or so which means I'd have to drink ten of the fucking things a day, lol! Plus it means having to go back to GNS all the time or maybe order a case online (lazy again haha).
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    Everyone has different resting metabolisms.

    I eat like a horse and don't gain any weight. If other people ate like I do, many of them would gain weight.

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    Are you depressed? Prolonged stress does cause depression. The physical depression messes with the hormones that regulate appetite.

    When was the last time you had a physical? If it has been a while, you might consider making an appointment. There might be something else going on that won't be immediately obvious to you, such as an insulin problem or even something as simple as a tape worm (gross, I know. But if you don't get checked, you'll never know).


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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Everyone has different resting metabolisms.

    I eat like a horse and don't gain any weight. If other people ate like I do, many of them would gain weight.
    Yeah, my metabolism is supercharged. Thank god it has slowed down somewhat by now or I would be skeletal, lol! I would have been a huge fat guy most of my life if I was normal.



    Oops missed that reply Paris, I was posting myself.

    I think I might be stressed without really being fully aware of it. It's not just laziness, boredom with food, or a shrunken stomach if I am dreaming about food. Could be work related, I love my new club of 6 months now, but I was burned out from the last one (which sucked even if the money was good!), and the first month here I worked way too many nights. I asked to be cut to thursday/friday/sat on purpose to recover and every week I can still feel the relief, even after several months of this.

    I love Key West but only now is it starting to feel like someplace I could call home, and I am not sure how long I want to stay. People from work like me a lot but even though I am social or always used to be I tend to work and then just recover when I'm off and don't go out much. Maybe I need to finally start drawing again that would provide fulfillment for sure but I am just not inspired and again lazy after the hyped up DJing every weekend.

    Someone told me long ago that my suspected (never diagnosed but I know) mild hypoglycemia could turn into diabetes. I should get it checked you are right but I don't have health insurance as I never get sick except sore throats and occasional ear problems.

    If I get diagnosed with some form of diabetes and then try to get health insurance it will be a lot more expensive, they have to report that stuff. So I suppose it's time to bite the bullet and get the health insurance.

    Thanks for the advice, again. This is turning into a rather self-indulgent thread but I needed outside advice I think on this one.
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    My brother was just recently diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, so I'm pretty familiar with it. He lost a lot of weight and didn't know what was going on, no matter how much he ate. He had a fast metabolism as it was but he got fairly thin. He was also peeing a lot (I mean A LOT), which I guess is a symptom of diabetes. He doesn't have insurance either, but he went to a clinic and they took his blood sugar and it was off the charts. If you suspect it could be diabetes, don't wait, it's really serious and my brother almost went into a coma because of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubyredlipsss View Post
    My brother was just recently diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, so I'm pretty familiar with it. He lost a lot of weight and didn't know what was going on, no matter how much he ate...

    If you suspect it could be diabetes, don't wait, it's really serious and my brother almost went into a coma because of it.
    Thanks for the warning, and I'm not blowing it off, but I really doubt if I have any sort of severe diabetes. For one thing if I eat, I do not lose weight. For another, and this is the amazing thing, no matter how little I eat, I can still function quite normally. I don't get tired or light-headed or sleepy, I can even work out fairly heavily--though I tend to have a bit less endurance in that case.

    Nonetheless, I plan to get health insurance ASAP and get a blood test, etc., just to be on the safe side.
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    People always think of anorexia as a mental disorder, but it can also affect you physically.
    When I went through a mild form of anorexia, I found that I just couldn't eat. Because my mind was so persistent about keeping thin, my body followed suit. I never felt like eating, and when I did it made me feel sick.

    On days when eating wasn't my main priority, I used it to my advantage. I always eat healthier when I'm eating just to survive, because I'm more focused on nutrition than cravings.

    This definitely isn't normal though. My stomach shrunk from sickness, but it was fine again after a few days of gradually increasing my food intake. The doctor sounds like a good idea, just in case.
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    anorexia isn't always about choosing not to eat or being disgusted by food. a decent number of anoretics really want to eat but just *can't*. if i were you, i'd consider that possible.

    the longer you go undereating, the harder it'll be to eat. just losing your appetite when you were sick was apparently enough to set this off. in fact, one of the symptoms of b-vitamin deficiency is loss of appetite. nutrient restriction has been shown to trigger anorexic symptoms in otherwise healthy men.

    try taking some sort of meal-replacement shake regularly and often. take a low-dose b-complex supplement a couple times a day.

    as for calories...how do you feel about a spoonful of oil?

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    i worked on a medical unit as a psychology trainee working with adolescents and young adults with mostly eating disorders. they told me over and over again that they weren't hungry and they truly weren't. if they were severely malnourished we'd have them first drink boost and ensure slowly. then we'd have them start eating food--small meals with small portions at first, then gradually up the food and hence the calorie intake.

    maybe this is what you need to do: gradually add more food so your stomach will adjust to the feeling of more food. for example, instead of just eating an apple eat an apple with an ounce of cheese. start adding little by little.

    try eating high-calorie good-for-you foods like granola, avocadoes, plant oils, and nuts.

    definitely check with the doctor too to make sure nothing's wrong.
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