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    Default Who do the Clintons support now?

    I know they will appear to support Obama, but....

    If he wins, she'll not have another chance to run for President untill 2016, when she'll be somewhere near 70 years old.

    If he loses, she'll get a shot in 2012 at Obama again, and then whomever the Republicans nominate if she beats him. If McCain packs it in, one would expect Palin to be a likely leading candidate. Furthermore, Palin will have stolen Hillary's thunder as a trailblazer.

    So who do you think the Clintons will focus on sabotaging? Everyone knows they are going to do whatever serves them best, not necessarily what is best for either the country or their party.
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    it's already started ...

    (snip)"Clinton aides: Palin treatment sexist
    By JOHN F. HARRIS & BETH FRERKING | 9/4/08 3:08 PM EST Updated: 9/4/08 3:08 PM EST

    ST. PAUL, Minn. — Sarah Palin found some unlikely allies Wednesday as leading academics and even former top aides to Hillary Rodham Clinton endorsed the Republican charge that John McCain’s running mate has been subject to a sexist double standard by the news media and Democrats.

    Georgetown University professor Deborah Tannen, who has written best-selling books on gender differences, said she agrees with complaints that Palin skeptics — including prominent voices in the news media — have crossed a line by speculating about whether the Alaska governor is neglecting her family in pursuit of national office.

    “What we’re dealing with now, there’s nothing subtle about it,” said Tannen. “We’re dealing with the assumption that child-rearing is the job of women and not men. Is it sexist? Yes.”

    “There’s no way those questions would be asked of a male candidate,” said Howard Wolfson a former top strategist for Clinton’s presidential campaign.

    The sexism charge was hurled with new intensity Wednesday afternoon by McCain surrogates, all women, at a news conference just hours before made her acceptance speech here - a speech in which she said this about the media and Washington elite: "I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country."

    The tense encounter with reporters showed how McCain’s team has abandoned all pretense that this convention is about anything but Palin, her résumé and her wildly unexpected ascension to the GOP ticket.

    A choice that was intended to shake up the race did so with more ferocity than McCain ever intended"(snip)


    the 'tin foil hat' crowd are indeed of the opinion that Hilary still wants a shot at the oval office. From that standpoint she can't afford to take the chance of still being politically viable in 2016 after two terms of an Obama presidency. Thus the Clinton camp's apparent defense of Palin could be interpreted as undermining Obama, with an eye towards a Hilary versus Palin election in 2012. The same 'tin foil hat' crowd is also of the opinion that if Obama can't 'close the deal' this time around that, like Kerry and Gore, he will not be given another chance by the DNC.

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    Chelsea for president in 2016!

    And please do not compare Palin to Hilary Clinton. It's insulting to women.

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    I know lots of hardcore Clinton supporters that will vote for Obama. I was always an Obama supporter.

    I don't think democrats are going to worry about what Hillary may or may not do 4 years from now. She might not even run again.

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    OK Mel, time to set the record straight there is no liberal media bias, its fictional and used by the repubicans as a rallying cry....

    Think about all the coverage on McCain right before he choose Palin, the media were fawning all over him, and the media was doing what the republicans wanted.

    Lets not mention it was Dan Quayle who said that Murphy Brown was offensive for having a single-mother on a network show.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    I know lots of hardcore Clinton supporters that will vote for Obama. I was always an Obama supporter.

    I don't think democrats are going to worry about what Hillary may or may not do 4 years from now. She might not even run again.
    The topic was not who do the Clintonistas want but who do the Clintons themselves actually want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Real View Post
    OK Mel, time to set the record straight there is no liberal media bias, its fictional and used by the repubicans as a rallying cry....
    I guess talk radio doesn't have a conservative bias then either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    The topic was not who do the Clintonistas want but who do the Clintons themselves actually want.

    The Clitons will do ANYTHING for the Democratic Party just like they did at the DNC....but that's my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    The Clitons will do ANYTHING for the Democratic Party just like they did at the DNC....but that's my opinion.
    I don't think the Clintons will do anything that doesn't benefit the Clintons... but that's my opinion. I think they'd consider damage to the Dem Party as acceptable if it furthered the Clintons' ambitions.
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    Think about all the coverage on McCain right before he choose Palin, the media were fawning all over him,
    arguably, if in fact the media were ever fawning over McCain after other primary challengers like Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney fell by the wayside, it was because the general impression of the McCain campaign prior to the Palin announcement was that of a RINO candidate who would espouse few if any major differences in policy from Obama. However, with the choice of a christian conservative VP candidate, suddenly the McCain campaign represents a possible serious threat to the liberal policies espoused by many in mainstream media ! Case in point MSNBC coverage of the Republican convention.


    I guess talk radio doesn't have a conservative bias then either
    nor do they claim to be unbiased news sources (either Sean Hannity / Rush Limbaugh / Glenn Beck or Air America for that matter), as mainstream TV and cable networks do.

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    First off, it has to be downright insulting to Hillary to see that McCain believes that he can trot out any woman he wants, especially one whose opinions are 180 degree's from hers, and expect that women will swoon to her. I'm guessing that's just going to make her campaign all the harder for Obama.

    As for the media bias, what a farce, it is nothing but a rallying cry for the republicans, it has been for quite some time now. It's also an effective way to pressure the media to take it easy on them. Check out this LINK and then come back and tell me how bias the "mainstream media" is.

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    I don't know, but when I see Bill what goes through my head is there is a man who has to walk a very thin line. Too much enthusiasm for Obama could easily land him a spot sleeping on the couch (assuming he is not still paying for the "Monica thing").

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    First off, it has to be downright insulting to Hillary to see that McCain believes that he can trot out any woman he wants, especially one whose opinions are 180 degree's from hers, and expect that women will swoon to her. I'm guessing that's just going to make her campaign all the harder for Obama.

    As for the media bias, what a farce, it is nothing but a rallying cry for the republicans, it has been for quite some time now. It's also an effective way to pressure the media to take it easy on them. Check out this LINK and then come back and tell me how bias the "mainstream media" is.
    Media Matters ? Media Matters Richard ? Hardly an unbiased source. They are funded by Soros, Hillary, Bill and other Dem. bigwigs.

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    Hillary and Bill will dutifully go through the motions of supporting Obama while secretly rooting for McCain.

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    ^^^ well it will certainly be interesting to see where the Clintons will now draw the line in regard to their 'duty' to the DNC ...



    (snip)"Obama Camp Turns to Clinton to Counter Palin

    ST. PAUL — Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Gov. Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and bolstering his plan to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said Thursday.

    Mrs. Clinton’s campaign event in Florida, her first for Mr. Obama since the Democratic convention, will serve as a counterpoint to the searing attacks and fresh burst of energy that Ms. Palin injected into the race with her convention speech on Wednesday, Obama aides said.

    With the McCain-Palin team courting undecided female voters, including some who backed Mrs. Clinton in the Democratic primaries, Obama aides said they were counting on not only Mrs. Clinton but also Democratic female governors to rebut Ms. Palin — and, by extension, Mr. McCain. Those governors include Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas.

    Still, within the Obama campaign and among Democratic officials nationwide, talks are well under way about how the party should treat Ms. Palin in the campaign — and what Mr. Obama and his running mate, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., need to do to regain the offensive after the Republican convention.

    Some Democrats were urging Mr. Obama’s campaign not to underestimate the potential power of Ms. Palin’s speech, even among voters not aligned with either party: On liberal talk-radio shows and on left-leaning blogs, some Democrats said the Obama campaign should fight back hard to avoid being caricatured as Senator John Kerry was four years ago when he ran against President Bush. Some party strategists warned that Mrs. Palin’s personal narrative as a “hockey mom” with a special-needs child, would appeal to some undecided women voters.

    “What McCain has done with Governor Palin’s nomination is aim right at a demographic that Obama needs to address quickly: noncollege-educated women,” said Mike McCurry, a former spokesman in the Clinton White House. “They need to maximize Biden’s ability to reach out to them, but at the end of the day, it is Obama who has to get that very, very critical group.”"(snip)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ well it will certainly be interesting to see where the Clintons will now draw the line in regard to their 'duty' to the DNC ...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/us...em&oref=slogin

    (snip)"Obama Camp Turns to Clinton to Counter Palin

    ST. PAUL — Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Gov. Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and bolstering his plan to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said Thursday.

    Mrs. Clinton’s campaign event in Florida, her first for Mr. Obama since the Democratic convention, will serve as a counterpoint to the searing attacks and fresh burst of energy that Ms. Palin injected into the race with her convention speech on Wednesday, Obama aides said.

    With the McCain-Palin team courting undecided female voters, including some who backed Mrs. Clinton in the Democratic primaries, Obama aides said they were counting on not only Mrs. Clinton but also Democratic female governors to rebut Ms. Palin — and, by extension, Mr. McCain. Those governors include Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas.

    Still, within the Obama campaign and among Democratic officials nationwide, talks are well under way about how the party should treat Ms. Palin in the campaign — and what Mr. Obama and his running mate, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., need to do to regain the offensive after the Republican convention.

    Some Democrats were urging Mr. Obama’s campaign not to underestimate the potential power of Ms. Palin’s speech, even among voters not aligned with either party: On liberal talk-radio shows and on left-leaning blogs, some Democrats said the Obama campaign should fight back hard to avoid being caricatured as Senator John Kerry was four years ago when he ran against President Bush. Some party strategists warned that Mrs. Palin’s personal narrative as a “hockey mom” with a special-needs child, would appeal to some undecided women voters.

    “What McCain has done with Governor Palin’s nomination is aim right at a demographic that Obama needs to address quickly: noncollege-educated women,” said Mike McCurry, a former spokesman in the Clinton White House. “They need to maximize Biden’s ability to reach out to them, but at the end of the day, it is Obama who has to get that very, very critical group.”"(snip)


    So Republican's are counting on noncollege-educated women in order to beat McCain.

    how freaking pathetic!

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    ^^^ I doubt that they are being 'counted on'. However there are far fewer college-educated women (who typically support Obama) than there are non college-educated women for whom Republican 'kitchen table' issues like gasoline prices, loss of blue collar jobs, high food prices etc. may resonate. And the votes of non college-educated women count just as heavily as those of college-educated women... perhaps moreso since college-educated women tend to be concentrated in many states that are already firmly in the Obama column whereas the percentage of non college-educated women living in 'swing' states is typically high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ I doubt that they are being 'counted on'. However there are far fewer college-educated women (who typically support Obama) than there are non college-educated women for whom Republican 'kitchen table' issues like gasoline prices, loss of blue collar jobs, high food prices etc. may resonate. And the votes of non college-educated women count just as heavily as those of college-educated women... perhaps moreso since college-educated women tend to be concentrated in many states that are already firmly in the Obama column whereas the percentage of non college-educated women living in 'swing' states is typically high.



    I agree your vote counts college or not. It just sounds so pathetic if they get votes based on Sarah Palin 'relating' to them vs the issues. Well my Mom was raised in the red south, never went to college, owns her own company and cannot stand Bush or McCain.


    My Father went to college...chemical engineer at University of Cincinnati and I think he will vote for McCain....he is in Houston. I have not asked him who he is voting for though.

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    How could Hillary sabotage Obama and then expect to win a later election? Dems wold just forgive he and keep going? Hell no! We would be pissed and they would lose any power and prestige they have in the party. They're not stupid. They're going to go 100% for Barack so no one can say they were the reason he lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Media Matters ? Media Matters Richard ? Hardly an unbiased source. They are funded by Soros, Hillary, Bill and other Dem. bigwigs.
    Can you refute their findings? Sorry, but just saying Media Matters refutes nothing. Please show me a source that refutes this finding.

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    How could Hillary sabotage Obama and then expect to win a later election? Dems wold just forgive he and keep going? Hell no! We would be pissed and they would lose any power and prestige they have in the party. They're not stupid. They're going to go 100% for Barack so no one can say they were the reason he lost.
    No, that's why they have to appear to go for Obama 100% in the public eye. What they do behind the scenes and through their surrogates may be another matter entirely.

    Let me pose this question to you:

    If the Clintons had to choose between 4 years of a McCain presidency followed by a Hillary presidency or 8 years of an Obama presidency and no Hillary presidency thereafter, which do you think they'd choose?

    Even the staunchest of democrats know the Clintons are all about the Clintons.
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    How are you basing your argument on what they MIGHT be thinking? We only have their actions to go on and so far they are fully supporting Barack. I'm seriously starting to wonder if you just post to stir people up instead of trying to give factual information.
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    How are you basing your argument on what they MIGHT be thinking? We only have their actions to go on and so far they are fully supporting Barack. I'm seriously starting to wonder if you just post to stir people up instead of trying to give factual information.
    I asked what people thought their position might be. I'm not so sure I'd say they are fully supporting Obama yet, but it is still early.

    I did notice however that you didn't answer my question.

    I am basing my argument on 20 years of watching the Clintons do only that which benefits the Clintons.

    I just don't see them working very hard to put what would probably be the final nails in the Hillary Presidency coffin.
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    Fine, let me answer this hypothetical question that has no right or wrong answer because neither one of us are the Clintons and we have no idea what they may be thinking or what thier motives are:

    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Let me pose this question to you:

    If the Clintons had to choose between 4 years of a McCain presidency followed by a Hillary presidency or 8 years of an Obama presidency and no Hillary presidency thereafter, which do you think they'd choose?

    Even the staunchest of democrats know the Clintons are all about the Clintons.
    I think they'd choose the the 8 years of Obama. Why? Becuase they know McCain is bad for the country and I think they would put thier country first. That's just my lofty ideal opinion though.

    What more could they be doing to support Obama at this point? What would you like to see them do to convince you they are behind him 100%?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    Fine, let me answer this hypothetical question that has no right or wrong answer because neither one of us are the Clintons and we have no idea what they may be thinking or what thier motives are:



    I think they'd choose the the 8 years of Obama. Why? Becuase they know McCain is bad for the country and I think they would put thier country first. That's just my lofty ideal opinion though.

    What more could they be doing to support Obama at this point? What would you like to see them do to convince you they are behind him 100%?
    Well, its early yet, but other than speak at the convention, what have they been doing for him? Sure, they're obligated to say "Obama's the man" when asked, and they do, but I don't see or hear much of them otherwise. Of course, it could all be getting lost in all the attention being given to the Republicans in the last week.

    This suspicion that they are secretly rooting against Obama is not something I dreamed up by myself. It has been debated back and forth on several news outlets leaning in both directions. Clinton insiders, present and former, have come down on both sides of the question.

    There are plenty of conservatives like myself who wonder what's worse: Four years of McCain and his RINO actions, followed by a loss to the Dems in 2012 ( probably to Hillary ) or 4 yrs of Obama followed by a "true" Republican president and a massive housecleaning in Congress at the same time? Sometimes you have to give something now to get a lot later. I don't see why you don't think the Clintons wouldn't be seeing things in this light, especially since their self-interests might be best served by an Obama loss right now.
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