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    general discussion....keep it pleasant people...

    like all politicians I hear alot of generalized promises....

    though I think it was pretty hypocritical to say that he is going to change washington, and that the republicans got corrupted. but, putting a republican in the whitehouse will fix that....

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    I'm finding if funny.....Although yesterday Palin was so meanspirited in her speech towards all the people she has to work with and now I noticed they could not even applaud when McCain mentioned Obama at the beginning...what a bitter angry bunch...lol
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    It was hilarious when McCain said we must use all our resources and protect our planet.....ummmm....good luck with that.

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    Well, I liked it a lot. He was pretty brazen about telling the crowd that they'd broken faith with the voters. It's as close as a party can come to criticizing its own current leadership at its own convention. He didn't play to the crowd so much as he was talking to the voters. He gave Sen. Obama as much, or more, respect then Obama gave him, and both men appear to want to be civil with each other. We'll see how that lasts.

    Both Obama and McCain promised everything to everyone, which you can expect out of political speeches. I won't ding him for that, any more than I did Sen. Obama. I thought Sen. McCain looked to shake up the crowd, which is not what speakers usually do when talking to the home team. And he finished off on a pretty high note.

    Good speech.

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    I didn't like it at all....It was over and I went over to the tv to make sure....He did not address TONS of issues that are important to people like Obama did in his.

    They are such a bitter hateful group they could not applaud Obama for making history in his own right.

    They seem to LOVE to use fear and war over and over on people.....like a cult.


    Those are my first impressions.

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    I'm also confused by the whole change concept coming out of the RNC. Didn't the GOP already have their chance to make change? Why would anybody believe that McCain would do anything different than what Bush has done? Also, why would he select a VP candidate from the far right if he want's to reach out to the left? How does that unite us, doesn't that just polarize us even more? Sounds like more of the same to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    He was pretty brazen about telling the crowd that they'd broken faith with the voters. It's as close as a party can come to criticizing its own current leadership at its own convention.
    I give him respect for that part but the rest of it for me was just blah and about what I expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Real View Post
    though I think it was pretty hypocritical to say that he is going to change washington, and that the republicans got corrupted. but, putting a republican in the whitehouse will fix that....
    In fairness, he said both parties, including his own, had lost faith with the public. And I don't think he was there to say, "So vote for the other guy."

    If he doesn't like what's going on, he runs a tightrope of calling it out but pissing off his party, and I think he pissed off his party (which is one of the reasons I liked it). But certainly, the "more of the same" issue is going to hit him and his chances pretty hard. It'll be interesting.

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    I was hoping to hear some talk of issues but there really wasn't any. But did you know he was a POW?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    I was hoping to hear some talk of issues but there really wasn't any. But did you know he was a POW?

    No kidding....what is their deal with constantly using war, fear, 9/11 over and over on people.

    I saw a group of people that can't handle anything different and a extremely judgemental group to boot.


    He did not even address issues so I could get mad at him....what a cop out...I took the time to listen.


    GO OBAMA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    They seem to LOVE to use fear and war over and over on people.....like a cult.
    Very true, but to be fair the reason they use it so much is because they don't have much of anything else.

    Where is the beef is the question I kept thinking during the whole convention. McCain's speech was no different. It picked up at the very very end but most of it was a bunch of yada, yada, yada.

    Plus it was so small! Did they even have 15 thousand people? That's not alot of in person support as compared to what the Dems got which was like 75 thousand plus! That says alot.

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    I got that impression, Miss Luscious, buried in there somewhere. It was pretty subtle.

    I heard the same "issues" talk from both candidates:

    We're going to fix health care. Everyone will get treated.
    We're going to take on big oil, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and develop alternate energy.
    We'll stimulate the economy by producing more jobs.
    We'll cut taxes.
    We'll make ourselves competitive on a global scale so we don't have to worry about our jobs and industries leaving.
    We'll fix education.
    We'll work with the other side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zia_Abq View Post
    Very true, but to be fair the reason they use it so much is because they don't have much of anything else.

    Where is the beef is the question I kept thinking during the whole convention. McCain's speech was no different. It picked up at the very very end but most of it was a bunch of yada, yada, yada.

    Plus it was so small! Did they even have 15 thousand people? That's not alot of in person support as compared to what the Dems got which was like 75 thousand plus! That says alot.


    Did they mention any book bannings....lol...just kidding.

    I think those people want to ban/get rid of anything in life that is different.

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    This is pure fantasy but.....I would have LOVED if he had chosen Lieberman and he told the room that he was going to reform for real and laid out a take no bullshit plan. I just can't accept that he caved on picking Lieberman. That would have been a strong step into the future. Palin is George Bush in a skirt. Yeah, she's macho, quick to fight but low on integrity.

    His personal notes were wonderful when they weren't being interrupted. And what he said about volunteerism was beautiful except his running mate sneered at that very thing the night before.

    The economic plan was the pie-in-the-sky crap that Bush trotted out about retraining for new jobs that haven't materialized. More nuclear plants and drilling everywhere--good lord! His energy plan sounded like wildly desperate pandering. If you drilled today you wouldn't see a benefit for years. Coralling the energy speculators would do far more for us than drilling offshore and subjecting us to the threat of nuclear meltdown.

    I think he wants to be president to redeem himself for breaking under torture. I don't think he has a plan beyond that. He's just piecing it together much as he peiced together a last minute running mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    We're going to fix health care. Everyone will get treated.
    You know, when you think about it, it works out for everyone.....look at Switzerland that recently switched from our way of healthcare to total health care coverage.

    YOu control costs, you can buy medication in bulk; for slightly higher taxes (i admit it) you remove the HMOs/MCOs as they are currently set up, which leads to peoples premiums and copays going down.

    The companies don't have to pay for healthcare insurance, nor do the employees....well in a round about way.

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    Yup! Get the middlemen out of the way.
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    They really need to DROP the war hero/fear stuff and hockymom talk and get to the issues.

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    I pretty much agree with your first two paragraphs in post #14, Optimist. Oh, I understand why he didn't choose Lieberman. It might've been the "right" choice for his sensibilities, but he also has to be practical and not kick his own party in the nuts. But to say "reform" and then choose Palin - ugh. It's as bad as saying, "Change, change!" and picking a career politician from Washington.

    Do either McCain or Obama think that they will wave a wand and reform all healthcare approaches, eliminate multi-billion dollar HMOs, PPOs, and insurance concerns, go back on their own "cut taxes" promises, and cut pay for the doctors and hospitals who have built up their own nation in the healthcare industry? And without creating a whole new huge Federal bureaucracy? (Maybe it'll employ the bureaucrats who are getting laid off from the HMOs, PPOs, and insurance companies.) Yeah, good luck with that program.

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    Mc Cain says he's going to slash corporate welfare to pay. I can't tell you how excitied I got when I heard that. I'm optimistic but not crazy! I know he's not really going to do it but for one shining moment I was happy! lmao

    I was actually waiting for Mc Cain to step up years ago. I was loving him! He was the first republican I thought I might vote for. But like everything he touches, Bush infected him with cynicism and Mc Cain reverted to being a good soldier.

    I think Obama can usher in a better healthcare system. The same system that works for so many western European countries would certainly work for us. Cut some pork choking the Dept of Defense budgets and you got yourself a fightin' chance!
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    I think Obama can usher in a better healthcare system. The same system that works for so many western European countries would certainly work for us. Cut some pork choking the Dept of Defense budgets and you got yourself a fightin' chance!
    O, health care costs are a big deal for me because I am paying premiums for 40 employees. I've done some research but still haven't determined whether paying the premiums to a government entity through taxes vs paying to a private carrier makes more sense. I have come to the conclusion that either way I will have to pay for the coverage. I have no idea on the satisfaction of Europeans in terms of their health care. Back to North America we have quite a few Canadian members but they are quiet about about their coverage.

    Have you researched in terms of value?

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    I would have respected John McCain more if he had spent less time on his war stories and more time telling how he is going to help all those people coming back from Iraq or SOMETHING.

    Both McCain and Palin are BIG dissapointments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    He did not even address issues so I could get mad at him....what a cop out...I took the time to listen.
    And this again points out why you're a terrible judge, you went into it, hoping to hate it and knowing you would bash it afterwards. Your words carry no weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    And this again points out why you're a terrible judge, you went into it, hoping to hate it and knowing you would bash it afterwards. Your words carry no weight.


    Jester, That was a joke ...lighten up...good grief!!

    Stop acting like you are chomping at the bit to get a leftie on something when I have taken the time to read everyones posts.

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    I read everyone's posts, I even think about them versus shouting "no that's stupid, McCain's a bigot and Palin's a hypocrite".

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    O, health care costs are a big deal for me because I am paying premiums for 40 employees. I've done some research but still haven't determined whether paying the premiums to a government entity through taxes vs paying to a private carrier makes more sense. I have come to the conclusion that either way I will have to pay for the coverage. I have no idea on the satisfaction of Europeans in terms of their health care. Back to North America we have quite a few Canadian members but they are quiet about about their coverage.

    Have you researched in terms of value?

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