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    This has been getting on my nerves for awhile.... I need some advice on what to do about it.

    From my perspective, the time you spend on stage is like a preview, and private dances are the actual movie. When I'm on stage- I DANCE, I put a lot of effort and energy into my performances and although I'm not super amazing at the pole- I spend 50 percent of my time on the pole, 25 percent dancing away from the pole in front of customers, and 25 percent 1 on 1 time with customers (if that). What I mean by 1 on 1 time w/ customers is when they give me a tip that is "worthy" (usually over 3 dollars, or tipping ones over and over again) I will go over to them, climb up on the stupid GLASS AND STEEL WITH BOLTS STICKING OUT OF IT tip rail, and lean over them with my boobs close to their face, or stick a dollar they give me in their shirt collar and lean in to fake-grab it with my teeth (i use my hand). Getting up on the tip rail and kneeling on it, crawling on it, using it in general is VERY painful and awkward.... a man totally designed it. It's about 3 feet up off the ground made of industrial looking metal with a glass counter on top of it with gaps in between where the metal is and bolts sticking out of it... it's the tip rail from hell. I hate the thing so much.

    Anyways, the issue is...... a lot of girls at the club spend a TON of "1 on 1 time" with customers while they're on stage..... say 75 percent 1 on 1, 15 percent dancing in front of them, and 10 percent pole. It makes ME look bad that I'm not spending all my time jumping into their laps off the rail, leaning back onto their chests and squeezing my boobs in their face, doing handstands in the crotches, and literally sitting in their laps and giving them a mini private dance at the rack. I think it's completely inappropriate to do those things at the stage, and you can call me a prude or prissy or whatever.... but the stage is supposed to be the preview to the private dance, not the bootleg copy of the movie.... you know? These girls just give too much away for free... it's a fucking DOLLAR!!!

    When I'm on stage with a girl who spends a lot of time at the rack ON the customers, I look bad because I'm not all up in their faces, squishing my boobs around their heads to get dollars. I'd rather dance to the music on the pole, do a quick dance in front of them, put tips in g-string, move to next customer- I make more money that way.

    IDK. It's just really perturbing the attitude I get from customers at the stage when they just sit there with a dollar in their teeth or sticking out of their pants expecting me to do some crazy sluttastic move in their lap for a fucking dollar.

    It's not my place to tell the other girls what not to do on stage, but it would be better for everyone's money if they limited certain "moves" and levels of contact strictly to private dances. Guys aren't going to buy a private dance if they can get exactly the same thing on stage for a couple dollars.

    I talked to the manager and asked him to have a meeting and he still hasn't gotten around to scheduling one. Maybe I'm just an uptight prude.... i danced the majority of my career thus far in portland where there is supposed to be NO contact between dancers and customers on stage aside from putting dollars in our garters or g strings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keira0304 View Post
    It's not my place to tell the other girls what not to do on stage.
    Yup. While I really get where your coming from the truth is that you're not likely to win this one because every dancer has their own sales tactic. So unless it is against the club rules or laws there isn't much you can do.

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    I'm just surprised there are no laws like there are in the other states i've danced in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keira0304 View Post
    i danced the majority of my career thus far in portland where there is supposed to be NO contact between dancers and customers on stage aside from putting dollars in our garters or g strings.
    actually it's illegal to take a tip in your gstring in PDX, and most girls if they saw you do that on stage would be pissed... all tips have to be laid down on the rack or stage.
    you're not even supposed to take them out of customers hands with your hands, but most girls do.

    honestly, I don't know what you're upset about. if you make more money that the other girls, why do you care? if you're the only one that doesn't do too much work for a buck, then it sets you apart from other dancers.

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    yeah.... i meant in florida the only contact you can have on stage is a customer putting a tip in your g string or garter.... portland is zero.

    It bothers me because I have to deal with the attitude of the idiot customers who expect me to give everything away for a dollar, and it eventually might make it harder to sell dances for EVERYONE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keira0304 View Post
    IDK. It's just really perturbing the attitude I get from customers at the stage when they just sit there with a dollar in their teeth or sticking out of their pants expecting me to do some crazy sluttastic move in their lap for a fucking dollar.
    Yes, this is very annoying. I think they look like idiots when they do this.

    However most of the stages at my club do not have poles, so I rely equally on floorwork and '1 on 1' time with customers. In my opinion, asking for a dance after a guy has gotten a good look at your from your best angles is just striking while the anvil is hot. It's how I work, and it usually turns out pretty well for me.
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    I'd much rather spend 75% or more of my time dancing in front of the customers and getting lots of dollars than focusing more on pole work and getting just a few. But that's just me.

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    my stage money is about the same (or higher) because i just take the tips and keep dancing rather than staying on one guy. My point is that by girls doing that it's eventually going to make customers less likely to buy dances if they can get the same thing for mere dollars on stage.
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    I remember feeling the same way like eight years ago. Now I'm one of those whores taking dollars with my boobs.



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    I'm not going to call you prissy or a prude - but if that is how many or most of the girls in your club work... well that is how they work. They aren't going to revise the club standards because you don't like them - rough part of this business is that you have to adjust yourself to the local and club norms and not expect them to adjust to you.

    Personally I don't think that getting a 3 second dance at the stage is going to have a negative impact on real sales. I don't think guys are going "I was going to buy a dance, but that three seconds just totally satiated me." So if your money is fine, I wouldn't worry too much about a hypothetical future case scenario.
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    I was wondering...what club in PDX do you work at? In fact this is my first post, are we allowed to share that information? Lol. But I just switched from one club to another in PDX and I noticed the same thing!!

    I was shocked and agitated as well in the beginning. I realized though that I had to evaluate my personal comfort level of dancing at the rack versus how much money I wanted to make. And I just decided that I was okay with doing what most of the other girls were doing. I still dance on the pole and do my tricks, but I also spend some time with the customers. It does suck that you are showing so much up front. But if you decided you don't like that, always remember there are plenty of other clubs in Portland where its not necessary to show so much up front at the rack!

    We do have a lot of different clubs to choose from!

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    i worked at 205, dolphin clubs, stars and the infamous Casa diablo for a short while.

    What club do YOU work at that allows that is the question... lol.
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    I look at the stage as an advertising oppurtunity, yeah it's just a dollar but that is where i can reel in potential VIPs. Do what you do, but if you feel the customer's aren't responding well maybe it's time to change your routine a little. And i get what you're saying, but do something in your control to make you more successful rather than focus on what other girls are doing that makes you look bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keira0304 View Post

    Anyways, the issue is...... a lot of girls at the club spend a TON of "1 on 1 time" with customers while they're on stage..... say 75 percent 1 on 1, 15 percent dancing in front of them, and 10 percent pole. It makes ME look bad that I'm not spending all my time jumping into their laps off the rail, leaning back onto their chests and squeezing my boobs in their face, doing handstands in the crotches, and literally sitting in their laps and giving them a mini private dance at the rack.
    IDK. It's just really perturbing the attitude I get from customers at the stage when they just sit there with a dollar in their teeth or sticking out of their pants expecting me to do some crazy sluttastic move in their lap for a fucking dollar.
    Didn't you say you are a top earner? If that's the case, who cares about what other girls are doing on the stage or what the guys at the tip rail expect? Sounds like it shouldn't be affecting your $$$ anyhow.

    Personally, I don't put too much effort into stage. I focus on just looking sexy, moving my body slow & sensual, and maintaining eye contact with guys in the audience. I'd rather see the customers save their $$$ for dances, and in turn - I conserve energy by not busting my ass for $1-$5 tips. Personally, I don't care what other girls are doing up there - they could be doing somersaults for all I care. It doesn't affect the amount of customers/dances I get. Most people watch and if they like you, they'll come up and give you a few bucks, and ask for you to come see them when you're done. They don't expect a grand show - and for $1-5, I wouldn't be offering one.
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    I have been all over the country and have seen this in SO many clubs. The girls who grind on cock for a buck on stage are blowing the chance for more $$ in dances. Then they can't understand why they leave with $50 for the night. WTF!?

    It's a lousy fucking dollar - stop giving it away.

    Glad to see SOMEONE (keira0304) knows what the fuck they are doing on stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txchick008 View Post
    Didn't you say you are a top earner? If that's the case, who cares about what other girls are doing on the stage or what the guys at the tip rail expect? Sounds like it shouldn't be affecting your $$$ anyhow.

    Personally, I don't put too much effort into stage. I focus on just looking sexy, moving my body slow & sensual, and maintaing eye contact with guys in the audience. I'd rather see the customers save their $$$ for dances, and in turn - I conserve energy by not busting my ass for $1-$5 tips. Personally, I don't care what other girls are doing up there - they could be doing somersaults for all I care. It doesn't affect the amount of customers/dances I get. Most people watch and if they like you, they'll come up and give you a few bucks, and ask for you to come see them when you're done. They don't expect a grand show - and for $1-5, I wouldn't be offering one.

    Absolutely 100% the way to go - when will the "give it away" girls get a clue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keira0304 View Post
    my stage money is about the same (or higher) because i just take the tips and keep dancing rather than staying on one guy. My point is that by girls doing that it's eventually going to make customers less likely to buy dances if they can get the same thing for mere dollars on stage.
    I disagree.

    The few seconds you spend on a guy at the stage, can get you a quick close sell for dances from that same guy later on.

    I know it sucks and you don't like it, but if that is how other girls close their dance sells, tough on ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strippertrainer View Post
    I have been all over the country and have seen this in SO many clubs. The girls who grind on cock for a buck on stage are blowing the chance for more $$ in dances. Then they can't understand why they leave with $50 for the night. WTF!?

    It's a lousy fucking dollar - stop giving it away.

    Glad to see SOMEONE (keira0304) knows what the fuck they are doing on stage.
    I have also danced across this country as well, and I have seen just the opposite.

    The girls that enjoy the stage and make their custys at the rack enjoy it as well, are the top earners, while the girls that don't want to waste the energy on stage, usually leave with very little or end up owing the club at the end of the night.

    I also think it rather rude of you to assume that we (all the girls that don't think like you and Keira and the girls across the country that DO do this) are idiots and we don't know what the fuck we are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana View Post
    The few seconds you spend on a guy at the stage...
    But what if it's not a few seconds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewMoon View Post
    But what if it's not a few seconds?

    Depends on how much they spend, lol.

    I will take a full half of a song dancing for one guy, if the cash is still flowing.

    But at my club, I know girls who only do maybe 2 dances (at $30 each, no CR) each night but still walk with $350-$400 at the end of the night, and that is due to stage.

    I have seen girls make $400 ON STAGE for their 2 song set, it's not uncommon for girls to make $60-100 each set on the weekends here, so it's different for us than a club where you can't make as much on stage.
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    sometimes i just keep dancing then slowly pull away (but not really) if I know a guy will keep throwing money down. it's a hustle in it's own. there's money to be made everywhere in a club. on the floor, in the dance rooms, even... on the stage! when im at work, i will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena View Post
    I remember feeling the same way like eight years ago. Now I'm one of those whores taking dollars with my boobs.
    Totally. When I first started dancing I got really agitated if guys put the money between their teeth, etc. By the end, close to retirement, I had no qualm about doing that thing where you put your ankles behind your head and onto their shoulders, grabbing money w/ my boobs, motorboarding, etc.

    Still knew in my heart that I was the best dancer in the club, but if it's club specific... then the guys are primed to tip for certain things. A guy walks up to the rack w/ 10 singles and a dumbass look on his face, he's not standing there waiting for you to do an invert.

    The issue you convey in your OP is that you aren't doing the things in your club that prime people to stage tip, though perhaps in other clubs heavy pole work has done it. It's not a dichotomy of $1 or your sense of dignity, but... if the club is like that, and if you really are focused on making money, then... focus on making money.

    I mean, what is your goal... to make a certain amount of money and then stop and do something else other than dancing? If so, be efficient about it. You're not bringing down the standards of the overall club or giving extras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txchick008 View Post
    Didn't you say you are a top earner? If that's the case, who cares about what other girls are doing on the stage or what the guys at the tip rail expect? Sounds like it shouldn't be affecting your $$$ anyhow.

    Personally, I don't put too much effort into stage. I focus on just looking sexy, moving my body slow & sensual, and maintaining eye contact with guys in the audience. I'd rather see the customers save their $$$ for dances, and in turn - I conserve energy by not busting my ass for $1-$5 tips. Personally, I don't care what other girls are doing up there - they could be doing somersaults for all I care. It doesn't affect the amount of customers/dances I get. Most people watch and if they like you, they'll come up and give you a few bucks, and ask for you to come see them when you're done. They don't expect a grand show - and for $1-5, I wouldn't be offering one.
    Yeah- I am a top earner. The money we make on stage isn't just 1-5 dollars, it's more lik 30-50 when it's busy. I'm not complaining because it's affecting my money on stage- because it isn't... often times I make more on stage because I go all around the rack to every customer getting tips rather than just staying at the same 5 customers giving them 30 second lapdances.

    Kitana- I actually close a lot of my sales from the stage despite NOT doing the ankles over the shoulders/headstands in the crotch moves like the other girls. Remember- I danced in PDX as a minor and spent my entire last year selling dances from the stage- that's the one thing I'm GREAT at... I probably sell 50% of my dances from the stage.

    Anomar- In PDX you couldn't do that stuff right?? idk.. I guess it's not THAT bad, but coming from Portland where you can't touch the customers at all on stage and then going to a VERY interactive stage club is a bit of a shock- I've never seen dancers do that stuff before, and if I make the same money NOT doing it, it makes me wonder why they do it... that's all.
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    It doesn't sound like something to stress yourself out about, then.

    Girls just all do things differently, your method works for you, and there's no pressure on management to change things.

    Everyone wins?

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    true...... I just don't get why girls do that...maybe they don't know they can make the same amount or more by NOT doing that? They actually slide off the rack into the guys lap and do mini-lapdances... IMO that's selling yourself short.

    and TX chick:I disagree with not putting energy into stage performances. I put a TON of energy into my stage performances- Stage is my favorite part of dancing- I LOVE dancing and I dance for me, it makes me happy. It's a good opportunity to show off and make everyone look at you- which is what you want if you want to sell dances and gain momentum... getting once dance after the other. When it's busy- I put a high-energy stage performance on, get off stage and get asked for a dance, go do it, and immediately when I get out of the dance room I get a guy who saw my stage asking me for a dance- and that usually continues until I get called to go on stage again. You're losing money if you're just standing up there moving slow and giving eye contact- DANCE!!!
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