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    First, John McCain doesn't know how many houses he has, now we find out Cindy McCain's outfit on Monday night cost $313,100. I'm sure it won't stop them from continuing to use the elitist label on Obama though.

    Here's the outfit BTW. I'm thinking it probably would have been better spent on another house.



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    No way! Is that a true number or is it an exaggeration?


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    Just a guilt-ridden glance at the article. It includes the accessories, like jewelry. Still, I think it'd be about $310,000 too much.

    None of which will have any bearing on how I view McCain's politics, much like the wealth Sen. Kerry got from his wife had no bearing on how I viewed his politics.

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    Her earrings were all but like 4k of it .

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    Laura Bush looked pretty. Cindy McCain looked like a banana dominatrix.

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    ^^ LOL!

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    ^ OMG! That's hilarious.

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    I guess anyone that is a significantly higher socioeconomic strata than the person asking that question. Which would be almost any significant presidential candidate (e.g., one who can garner >10% of popular vote). Put another way- like asking "which of these 4 sharks [ mako, hammerhead, tiger, bull] is a big teeth shark"? In either case, irrelevant in the big scheme of things.

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    Hey, at least Cindy McCain bought her earrings using private sector profits i.e. selling beer to Arizonians. They were probably a good investment too given Cindy's 28% actual tax bracket !

    Can Michelle Obama make the same claim in regard to buying her Chicago mansion ?

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    Elitism is the practice of "looking down" on people you believe to be inferior to you. It really has nothing to do with whether you can afford high-end jewelry. By your reasoning, you must also consider Ted Kennedy, Patrick "I've never worked a day in my fucking life" Kennedy, John Kerry, the Clintons, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, and Al Gore elitists for that reason. I consider all the aforementioned elitists but not because of their net worth. I consider them elitists because of what they say and do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Hey, at least Cindy McCain bought her earrings using private sector profits i.e. selling beer to Arizonians. They were probably a good investment too given Cindy's 28% actual tax bracket !

    Can Michelle Obama make the same claim in regard to buying her Chicago mansion ?
    Do you really want to go there? I mean, do you really think you can argue that Cindy McCain represents "regular people" because she is an heiress and Michelle Obama is somehow a wealthy elitist?

    Hmmmmm, let me think... Who had to work extremely hard her entire life for everything she has, and who was born with a sliver spoon in her mouth?

    You are starting to sound like an apologist for the last 8 years of republican failure, Mel. No matter how much people think it would be "fun" to be crazy wealthy, the idea behind the show "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" is a bit disturbing in modern culture. With so many Americans out of work or starving working low paying jobs, and in-your-face display of wealth is disgusting.

    Here is the breakdown of Cindy's outfit:
    Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
    Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
    Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
    Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000–$25,000
    Shoes, designer unknown: $600
    Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Who had to work extremely hard her entire life for everything she has, and who was born with a sliver spoon in her mouth?
    Mel was referring to the way the Obamas got their mansion in Chicago. It involved a deal to get extra land facilitated by a convicted felon slumlord who Obama dealt with both as a community organizer and as an attorney.

    Being born with a silver spoon in one's mouth is no sin. I'm not so sure about entering into financial dealings and soliciting the help of questionable people when doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    I consider them elitists because of what they say and do.
    Like wearing $300K in accessories on a night they are asking for hurricane relief donations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Like wearing $300K in accessories on a night they are asking for hurricane relief donations?
    First off, did she own the jewelry? I understand a lot of times such items are "loaned" for big events.

    Secondly, as long as the cost of the jewelry wasn't expensed to the fundraiser, what do the two have to do with each other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    First off, did she own the jewelry? I understand a lot of times such items are "loaned" for big events.

    Secondly, as long as the cost of the jewelry wasn't expensed to the fundraiser, what do the two have to do with each other?
    Your hypocrisy is showing. Don't think for a minute that Teresa Heinz Kerry would have been given a free pass for that type of behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Like wearing $300K in accessories on a night they are asking for hurricane relief donations?
    I think I you, Richard.

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    Your hypocrisy is showing. Don't think for a minute that Teresa Heinz Kerry would have been given a free pass for that type of behavior.
    Personally, I would have deemed it irrelevant. And you didn't answer my two questions. You just changed your angle of attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    First off, did she own the jewelry? I understand a lot of times such items are "loaned" for big events.

    Secondly, as long as the cost of the jewelry wasn't expensed to the fundraiser, what do the two have to do with each other?
    Owned, loaned, does it really matter? Either way, it just seems to come across as being out of touch with the supposed "small town" people that the party is there to represent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Owned, loaned, does it really matter? Either way, it just seems to come across as being out of touch with the supposed "small town" people that the party is there to represent.

    I think you're trying too hard to find things to criticize. I often do the same with those politicians I don't like.

    It is the biggest event staged by a political party and it happens once every four years and her husband was getting the top honor at it, so she was decked out expensively for it, wearing things she can either afford to buy or borrow, almost ceretainly picked out weeks ago. By chance, they were raising money for a potential hurricane crisis at the same time. Are you suggesting she should have dressed differently or that they shouldn't have done the fundraiser? I would argue what she was wearing is unimportant. However, if you wanted to accuse the RNC of trying to make some polical hay out of the hurricane in the process of raising money, I'd be hard-pressed to disagree with you.

    As far as dressing differently is concerned, what should she have worn? Hurricane clean-up gear? Can you imagine the attacks that would have attracted?
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    I'd like to know why people think Obama is an elitist. Because he eats arugula? Because he went to Harvard? Where did that come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Elitism is the practice of "looking down" on people you believe to be inferior to you. It really has nothing to do with whether you can afford high-end jewelry.
    American Heritage Dictionary definition of Elitist:
    1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
      1. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
      2. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.


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    Mel was referring to the way the Obamas got their mansion in Chicago. It involved a deal to get extra land facilitated by a convicted felon slumlord who Obama dealt with both as a community organizer and as an attorney.
    Yes that was my point ... the first issue you point out involves one Tony Rezko, whose company received millions of dollars worth of Illinois taxpayer money as the result of Obama's advocacy as an Illinois state senator - and whose wife paid an extremely above-market price for the property adjoining the Obama mansion at the same time the Obama property was purchased from the same seller.


    (snip)"Rezko's behind-the-scenes connection in the Obama house deal became public as Rezko revealed personal financial details as he sought to post bail.

    While Rezko's wife paid the full asking price for the land, Obama paid $300,000 under the asking price for the house. The house sold for $1,650,000 and the price Rezko's wife paid for the land was $625,000. (snip)

    Obama then expanded his property by buying a strip of the Rezko land for $104,500, which the senator maintains was a fair market price.

    Obama later told the Chicago Sun-Times, "It was a mistake to have been engaged with him at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him, or anyone else, to believe he had done me a favor."

    Obama had known Rezko long before the house deal, calling him a "friend."

    An ABC News review of campaign records shows Rezko, and people connected to him, contributed more than $120,000 to Obama's 2004 campaign for the U.S. Senate, much of it at a time when Rezko was the target of an FBI investigation. "(snip) from


    The second issue was the Obamas receiving a below market rate mortgage from Northern Trust ... which resulted in official ethics complaints being made (which were never followed up on)

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    Ethics complaint targets Obama's below-market mortgage
    Watchdog group asks if 'special' deal constitutes a gift to senator

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    Complaints have been filed with both the U.S. Senate Ethics Committee and the Federal Election Commission over a deal Sen. Barack Obama, now the likely Democratic nominee for president this year, got on his mortgage.

    Officials with Judicial Watch, a public interest watchdog group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, said the mortgage loan granted to the senator in 2005 was below market rates and apparently not available to the general consumer.

    "It appears that due to his position as a United States Senator, Barack Obama received improper special treatment from Northern Trust resulting in an illicit 'gift' which has a value of almost $125,000 in interest savings," the organization wrote in its request to the Senate ethics committee. "Judicial Watch therefore respectfully requests a full investigation into whether the special Northern Trust mortgage received by Senator Barack Obama constitutes a gift that is prohibited by Senate ethics rules."

    Judicial Watch's FEC complaint also seeks a full investigation into whether the deal was "a disguised and illegal corporate campaign contribution to Senator Obama."

    The complaints say Obama reportedly got a home loan of $1.32 million at a rate of 5.625 percent. That's even though the average going rate on the day was, according to two different surveys, between 5.93 percent and 6 percent.

    The "special below-market 'super super jumbo' loan was secured without an origination fee or discount points," the organization added. Origination fees often are 1 percent of the loan and can add thousands to its costs.

    "Northern Trust has supported Barack Obama's political campaigns for elected office since 1990," the complaints continued. "According to the Center for Responsive Politics, cited by The Washington Post, Northern Trust employees have donated $71,000. The Northern Trust political action committee gave $1,250 to Senator Obama's 2004 campaign for the United States Senate."

    Judicial Watch also cited statements from John O'Connell, Northern Trust's vice president. He "essentially admitted" the company gave preferential treatment, Judicial Watch said.

    "A person's occupation and salary are two factors; I would expect those are two things we would take into consideration," O'Connell told the Washington Post.

    "Americans ought to be suspicious when a United States senator such as Barack Obama obtains a sweetheart mortgage deal," said Tom Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch. "We have serious concerns that Senator Obama's mortgage may have violated the law and Senate ethics rules.""(snip) from

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    I haven't seen elitism from any of the candidates. Some sanctimony, yes (on both sides), but not elitism.

    The people who defended/sneered at Reagan's less savory friends are the same people who sneered at/defended Clinton's corrupt cast are the same people who are accepting/rolling eyes at the Halliburton et al. crowd of Bush/Cheney who will be the same ones criticizing/supporting Obama's....

    Well, you get the idea. Bring me a candidate who's going to have squeaky-clean friends and conflict-free support, and that will be newsworthy.

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    ^^Amen!
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