Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 50

Thread: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

  1. #1
    Featured Member Miss_Luscious's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Raleigh
    Posts
    988
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 36 Times in 23 Posts

    Default Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    This is thread for you to explain and discuss your political beliefs. This is not a thread to shit on opposing viewpoints or just trash particular candidates. I encourage a healthy debate and you may of course disagree but do so respectfully.

    Please make sure that any information you put forth as fact is actually backed by fact. This means cite your sources. Do not disregard someone's source unless you can find another source to refute it. Please form LOGICAL and SOUND arguments. Avoid the use of fallacies. Here is a simple guide to debating if you want to brush up.

    Hopefully this will be fun and informative.
    "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." - Bertrand Russell

    "It's just a matter of people having low self esteem and being way too easily offended." -Random Guy on a Internet Forum

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Ya'll bitches need to calm down. Cerously.
    In other words: Boo-motherfucking-hoo

  2. #2
    Jay Zeno
    Guest

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    This is thread for you to explain and discuss your political beliefs.
    I believe that people will exploit resources; that exploiting resources enables us to advance as humans; that overexploitation is destructive to us; that we don't recognize when we're overexploiting; that it's good to hold areas in trust for our descendants; that areas in trust are not to be exploited unless no options remain.

    I believe that raising people to productivity and self-sufficiency is an investment that would pay itself off many times into the future; but that if you give people something for nothing, it teaches them to do nothing, and that is self-destructive to them.

    I believe that religious and union loyalists are retarding any progress that the Right and Left have to offer.

    I believe that the workings of Republicans and Democrats are so intertwined and yet so spiteful to each other that it is near to impossible to separate out what effects each of their overarching policies actually has on us.

    I believe that if Pres. Clinton had been a Republican, he would be canonized by that party (balanced budget, welfare reform). I believe if Pres. Reagan had been a Democrat, he would be canonized by that party (massive spending to win the war, popular appeal - think FDR).

    I believe that achieving appropriate balance between ideological extremes is almost always the proper avenue, but that ideologues prevent us from reaching that balance.

    I believe the war in Iraq was started based on false pretenses, and I'm furious about the tens of thousands of lives lost and shattered in the shameful turning of the U.S. into an aggressor nation.

    I believe humans taking carbon out of the ground and putting it into the air is a significant factor in climate change. I believe that most humans don't want to deal with it in any meaningful way because of the quality of lifestyle that that carbon migration brings them.

    I believe that I can be persuaded contrary to any of these beliefs if the objective facts show me I'm wrong. BUT

    I believe people look for the facts that support their own preconceived opinions rather than look to all facts from which to form their opinions.

    I do not believe that Member Boards will change people's minds, and I do not believe people post here just to make others think. People post here to grind their own axes.

    I believe I'll have a drink now.


    Addition:

    I believe that our idea of marriage is hopelessly behind the current reality. I think government should get out of the marriage business, period, unless it's to regulate it to cushion the damage when it fails, stop offering tax breaks to married people because the government does not benefit from the marriage (in fact, when you take the structure of judicial divorce into play, government pays a lot to recognize marriage), and keep the tax breaks for people with dependents.

    I believe that courts should interpret, not be activist, and I have a bias toward strict construction - but there's almost always exceptions, and the Supreme Court did the politicians a huge favor with Roe v. Wade.
    Last edited by Jay Zeno; 09-07-2008 at 05:47 PM.

  3. #3
    Veteran Member Zia_Abq's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    207
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    I believe in most of not all of what Jay Zeno wrote.

    I also admit that in my case I post in political threads as a sounding board for my own views and to interact with those who are likeminded and that could be fairly described as grinding an ax.

    I believe I'd really like to buy a round of drinks to be shared with Mr. Zeno

  4. #4
    God/dess Paris's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Oregon
    Posts
    6,345
    Thanks
    168
    Thanked 801 Times in 419 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    My personal beliefs are based upon he idea that no man is an island unto himself. In other words, we need to help each other out in order to achieve our full potential as humans.

    There needs to be balance, though, so as to not stifle creativity. America has done a very good job of striking that balance, until recently anyway.

    We must take care or our planet and our people, and preserve our way of life for future generations.

    We must respect one another as equals. Our talents and heritages may be different, but everyone must be offered the same opportunities to use their talents regardless of race, creed, religion or socio-economic status.

    I believe in equal rights in all things. Females should have to register for the draft, and males should be respected as full time dads.

    Marriage is about the relationship and not the genders involved in that relationship.

    Religion is a personal choice, and the government should never cite scriptures as a basis of law or policy.


    Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!


  5. #5
    Veteran Member ultra_manic's Avatar
    Joined
    Sep 2007
    Location
    A Mile High
    Posts
    275
    Thanks
    6
    Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    I'm going to be very general although I agree with a lot of what has been post by the previous 3 posters.

    I believe we should live and let live and not force our own PERSONAL beliefs and 'morals' on other people and they should not be made into law.

    I think that maybe just maybe we should think about abolishing the party run government since it seems to be causing more problems than anything these days.

    I believe in using logic and fairness in everything you do and that should go doubly for someone running the country/state/city etc.

    *goes to research abolishing party government*

    I would also like to join in with the drinks, Grey goose and cranberry for me please
    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    what's the difference between aspirin and a stripper's boyfriend?
    Aspirin works.
    Quote Originally Posted by anomar View Post
    Strippers need money to operate. They are like coin operated juke-boxes of love.
    A text I got:
    When a guy talks dirty to a woman it's sexual harassment, when a woman talks dirty to a man it's $3.95 a minute!


  6. #6
    Banned Melonie's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2002
    Location
    way south of the border
    Posts
    25,932
    Thanks
    612
    Thanked 10,563 Times in 4,646 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    My Mood
    Cynical

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    my common-sense Libertarian political philosophy is to rewind the federal government to the 'enumerated powers' granted under the US constitution, and get rid of everything else ... from income taxes to drug laws to social welfare programs to the federal reserve. Basically I advocate the modernization of all federal government 'enumerated power' functions (that existed up until 1893 or so, before the US Supreme Court and congress began inventing NEW powers), and allowing everything else to revert to the private sector.

  7. #7
    Veteran Member Zia_Abq's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    207
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Other things that are important to me are civil and equal rights for ALL people, pursuing and pushing for a “greener” society , creating a universal healthcare system and decreasing acts of violence of all kinds. For all these reasons as well as those Jay mentioned which I agreed with earlier, I vote Democratic and proudly wear the Liberal name tag.

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Joined
    Dec 2007
    Location
    California~Texas
    Posts
    93
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zia_Abq View Post
    Other things that are important to me are civil and equal rights for ALL people, pursuing and pushing for a “greener” society , creating a universal healthcare system and decreasing acts of violence of all kinds. For all these reasons as well as those Jay mentioned which I agreed with earlier, I vote Democratic and proudly wear the Liberal name tag.



    Civil Rights for all people and a "greener" planet are the strongest reasons I vote Democratic.

    I believe the Republican Party wont stand up to the Conservative Religious Right. I find that very scary.

    I believe you can't be pro life and pro war.

    I believe anyone who is pro war....must serve in some way.

    I believe it's sad environmental issues are even in politics. Everyone should want a healthy planet. It's the only one the human race has. Polluters should be taxed like there is no tomorrow.

    I believe people have no clue what we are doing to the environment or about overpopulation.

    I believe Americans really have no clue how good we really have it here and have a hard time seeing past their own front lawn.


    I believe I will never pull the lever for a Republican candidate until my brother, who happens to be gay, has the same rights and protections as Right Wing Conservatives.


    I believe it's ok for people to vent/brag about their political beliefs on message boards because a lot of countries would never want you to have that right.


    I believe Barack Obama deserves 4 years to show the United States and the world that we are so much better and bigger than they way we have been acting by electing him President of the United States in November.

  9. #9
    Member
    Joined
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    56
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    “That government is best which governs least” Henry DaviD Thoreau Civil Disobedience

    Free markets, free minds
    Bearing the gifts beyond price, almost free

  10. #10
    God/dess
    Joined
    May 2006
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    2,420
    Thanks
    36
    Thanked 291 Times in 210 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    ^^^ what he said.

    The less government the better.

    The bigger the government, the lesser your freedom.

    The stronger the military, the better, because we need to be able to defend against or intimidate those that would do us harm.

    I don't see how you can be totally anti-war yet be pro-choice on abortion.

    I think drugs and prostitution should be legal because trying to stop them is a waste of resources. Use those resources to help people avoid those situations. This would also go a long way towards quelling inner-city violence as the street gangs would no longer have drug turf to fight over, resulting in less expense for cops and prisons.

    I oppose the death penalty for two reasons. The guy might actually be innocent and executing someone rather than giving them life without the chance of parole seems to me to be doing him a favor.

    I believe you should be forced to learn to speak English if you immigrate here. All are welcome to come here and participate, but if you're not speaking the language after, say 3 or 5 years, how much are you really participating?

    I believe reasonable steps should be taken to protect the environment but think that there are forces at play in this process that we have no control over.
    "never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe

    If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill

  11. #11
    Featured Member Miss_Luscious's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Raleigh
    Posts
    988
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 36 Times in 23 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    I have a question for Libertarians. Which govt. programs are covered by the constitution? Which ones should be done away with? And how should the void that these programs will leave be filled?
    "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." - Bertrand Russell

    "It's just a matter of people having low self esteem and being way too easily offended." -Random Guy on a Internet Forum

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Ya'll bitches need to calm down. Cerously.
    In other words: Boo-motherfucking-hoo

  12. #12
    God/dess
    Joined
    May 2006
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    2,420
    Thanks
    36
    Thanked 291 Times in 210 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    If by govt. programs you are speaking about things like Medicare, Welfare, and Social Security, I don't believe those programs are protected by the Constitutuion. Rather, the government is empowered by the Costitution to create the programs deemed necessary to provide for our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
    "never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe

    If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill

  13. #13
    AudreyLeigh
    Guest

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    I dont care. I dont vote. I just want abortion to stay legal and to have a national healthcare system.

  14. #14
    Featured Member Miss_Luscious's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Raleigh
    Posts
    988
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 36 Times in 23 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh View Post
    I dont care. I dont vote. I just want abortion to stay legal and to have a national healthcare system.
    Why don't you vote? If you want to make sure your abortion stays legal and national health care comes about then it makes sense to vote on those issues.
    "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." - Bertrand Russell

    "It's just a matter of people having low self esteem and being way too easily offended." -Random Guy on a Internet Forum

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Ya'll bitches need to calm down. Cerously.
    In other words: Boo-motherfucking-hoo

  15. #15
    Member JRA33606's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    42
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by DB Cooper View Post
    “That government is best which governs least” Henry DaviD Thoreau Civil Disobedience

    Free markets, free minds
    Yes, that was true 200 years ago prior to the creation of corporations and the "capitalistic" system. But with the theory that the constitution only applies to government regarding issues of freedom and privacy, the corporations paternal condescending approach to employees and shareholders needs to be moderated by government.

    Can you imagine the workplace today without minimum wage rules, non-discrimination, the SEC, etc. Those robber barons would screw us all. So, I see the role of government as making sure the playing field is level.

  16. #16
    Banned ArmySGT.'s Avatar
    Joined
    May 2005
    Location
    SW Counter Troll HQ
    Posts
    5,582
    Thanks
    1,589
    Thanked 1,674 Times in 1,043 Posts
    Blog Entries
    13
    My Mood
    Amused

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal.

    I don't care for Government programs. Whenever the government starts dabbling in a system, the system becomes bloated, inefficient, and net effectiveness drops enough to make such a program no longer worthwhile.

    Taxes. While I recognize the need for such, to pool the resources for the greater good, the execution is lacking. Flat Tax for .gov operation. Any taxes levied for a purpose (roads, schools, hospitals,s etc) should be untouchable for any other purpose regardless of noble cause. Example taking money from roads to pay for a schools shortfall.

    Balanced budget. I keep hoping to see this come up as a possible Amendment to the Constitution. The .gov needs to stop borrowing from the federal Reserve and the Bilderberger Group. They own us now.

    Education. I agree with a British teacher I talked with over a few pints. Testing needs to be taken out of the hands of teachers. Simply put the teachers is given the materials, and the lesson plans are worked out, and a test proctor administers tests. The result students and teachers are tested. Ineffective teachers can be weeded out early.

    Government loans for education. I am ok with loans and grants to schools , colleges, and univeristies; for facilities, and programs. It is the loans to students that has driven tuition up yearly. Schools have become accustomed to feeding from this trough and can be guaranteed an increase from politicians wishing to curry favor. I think applicable government institutions should have oversight of higher education, to keep what higher education lobbies for funds legitimate.

    Socially.

    The government needs to get out of marriage. Period. Doesn't matter who is married to whom as long as the civil and legal rights are the same.

    Sex education. I am for it. Should be part of young peoples education. The teachers should be dedicated to it, not a re tasked physical ed teachers. Wrap it up with child care and simple home economics.

    There is more I will get back to this later.

  17. #17
    Featured Member Miss_Luscious's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Raleigh
    Posts
    988
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 36 Times in 23 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Government loans for education. I am ok with loans and grants to schools , colleges, and univeristies; for facilities, and programs. It is the loans to students that has driven tuition up yearly. Schools have become accustomed to feeding from this trough and can be guaranteed an increase from politicians wishing to curry favor. I think applicable government institutions should have oversight of higher education, to keep what higher education lobbies for funds legitimate.
    What about students that couldn't afford school otherwise? I know to had to take out grants and loans. Without them, I would not have been able to go to college.
    "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." - Bertrand Russell

    "It's just a matter of people having low self esteem and being way too easily offended." -Random Guy on a Internet Forum

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Ya'll bitches need to calm down. Cerously.
    In other words: Boo-motherfucking-hoo

  18. #18
    Jay Zeno
    Guest

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    "Fiscal conservative and social liberal" sounds good until the bills come in. Something's going to give.

    "Small government, big military" is a bit self-contradictory. At some point, people wonder why the majority of resources of government are going into ways to kill people rather than ways to help people have meaningful lives.

    Are we unhappy that we have an interstate highway system? Or a bureaucracy that keeps us from a daily dose of salmonella? We live in a LOT more complicated society than the primarily agrarian economy of the 18th century. If we want the public safety, health, and welfare issues addressed, private enterprise ain't gonna cover it.

    There is nothing in the Consttution about Jefferson's "self-evident" rights, other than as enumerated in the Bill of Rights. But here's what the Preamble of the Constitution, the basic law of the land, alludes to:

    "...form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity..."

  19. #19
    Featured Member Miss_Luscious's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Raleigh
    Posts
    988
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 36 Times in 23 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    "Fiscal conservative and social liberal" sounds good until the bills come in. Something's going to give.

    "Small government, big military" is a bit self-contradictory. At some point, people wonder why the majority of resources of government are going into ways to kill people rather than ways to help people have meaningful lives.

    Are we unhappy that we have an interstate highway system? Or a bureaucracy that keeps us from a daily dose of salmonella? We live in a LOT more complicated society than the primarily agrarian economy of the 18th century. If we want the public safety, health, and welfare issues addressed, private enterprise ain't gonna cover it.

    There is nothing in the Consttution about Jefferson's "self-evident" rights, other than as enumerated in the Bill of Rights. But here's what the Preamble of the Constitution, the basic law of the land, alludes to:

    "...form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity..."
    I agree. I'll try to find the pie chart that shows the actual costs of various programs in the US. People would be surprised how much the military is costing us vs social security, welfare and medicare combined.

    EDIT: I found it. It's in PDF format.
    Last edited by Miss_Luscious; 09-08-2008 at 03:19 PM.
    "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." - Bertrand Russell

    "It's just a matter of people having low self esteem and being way too easily offended." -Random Guy on a Internet Forum

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Ya'll bitches need to calm down. Cerously.
    In other words: Boo-motherfucking-hoo

  20. #20
    AudreyLeigh
    Guest

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    Why don't you vote? If you want to make sure your abortion stays legal and national health care comes about then it makes sense to vote on those issues.
    I dont vote because I dont understand a lot of politics. Id rather not vote than vote for/against something I know nothing about and vote incorrectly.

  21. #21
    Featured Member Miss_Luscious's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Raleigh
    Posts
    988
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 36 Times in 23 Posts

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Well that's certainly better than voting blindly! I think to many uninformed people vote based on what they think they know as opposed to what is actually the truth.
    "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." - Bertrand Russell

    "It's just a matter of people having low self esteem and being way too easily offended." -Random Guy on a Internet Forum

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Ya'll bitches need to calm down. Cerously.
    In other words: Boo-motherfucking-hoo

  22. #22
    AudreyLeigh
    Guest

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    Well that's certainly better than voting blindly! I think to many uninformed people vote based on what they think they know as opposed to what is actually the truth.
    100% agreed. Now, if there is something I am interested in enough to do the research and know what Im voting for/against I just may vote. Til then, not gonna happen. Im not going to be a party of this country going down the drains.

  23. #23
    Member
    Joined
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    56
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    "...form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity..."
    Does anyone else sing along as they're reading this or am I just dating myself?
    Bearing the gifts beyond price, almost free

  24. #24
    Banned ArmySGT.'s Avatar
    Joined
    May 2005
    Location
    SW Counter Troll HQ
    Posts
    5,582
    Thanks
    1,589
    Thanked 1,674 Times in 1,043 Posts
    Blog Entries
    13
    My Mood
    Amused

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    What about students that couldn't afford school otherwise? I know to had to take out grants and loans. Without them, I would not have been able to go to college.
    I say this because each time tuition assistance is raised schools raise their tuition. The Politicians can't say no without angering their voting base. Tuition assistance used to come from philanthropy. A portion still does, however the amounts seldom can match the amounts demanded by institution. Institutions that do not by the way pay taxes on their own holdings and invested funds. The interest some of those institutions make on their holdings is enough for every student to attend for free.

    I saved my money and paid for my first two years out of pocket. GI Bill helps out too, now I am looking into grants as I would rather remain debt free.

  25. #25
    Banned ArmySGT.'s Avatar
    Joined
    May 2005
    Location
    SW Counter Troll HQ
    Posts
    5,582
    Thanks
    1,589
    Thanked 1,674 Times in 1,043 Posts
    Blog Entries
    13
    My Mood
    Amused

    Default Re: Dems, Repubs, Greens, Libs, etc - Explain Yourselves!

    I say socially liberal as I am not inclined to tell people what kind of sex they can enjoy, mandate the race they can marry, or the church they must attend. I am not inclined either give any race, religion, creed, gender, or other ism an advantage over another. Equal pay for equal work. Thats my Libertarian leanings showing in.

    Taxes are for the infrastructure; that is for the greater good. Not for the redistribution of wealth. Programs if at all should be about the betterment of the individual not as a life preserver that keeps them afloat for just a bit and secures their vote for the next election. Example Single Mom? Sperm donor not to be found. Then their is the all orders of assistance but, the recipient must show results. Like a food stipend, rent, and needs for the infant, however the mom must spend 20-30-40 hours a week in classes (provided and with child care) that ensures they are a functional adult. Home economics, driving, scheduling, professional dress, business skills (making change, how to use a cash register, answer phones, etc.) Even Reading, writing, and mathematics.

    I know this smacks of fascism, but I see it as the way to break generational welfare families

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. The Dems are Coming
    By Ava Jadore in forum Stripping (was Stripping General)
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 08-29-2008, 02:16 AM
  2. Dems, Repubs, Kurds and Filibusters
    By Tigerlilly in forum Political Poo
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 02-17-2005, 06:31 AM
  3. Superior moralistic repubs take porn $$ contributions
    By devilsadvocate667 in forum Political Poo
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 02-09-2005, 09:56 AM
  4. Mad Libs
    By ksalerio in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 12-16-2004, 05:35 PM
  5. Replies: 7
    Last Post: 07-13-2004, 06:05 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •