OK so all that aside --- it does make for an interesting "what if" post - RIGHT? What if the baby WAS MIXED --- what WOULD "society" do...? What might even "we" think/do.... Would it change our mind? (even a little)
It interests me because... well... that is what my family "assumed" when I was pregnant - and not only did they assume they totally disowned me -- I know, dysfunctional....
Last edited by illusions_charm; 09-10-2008 at 12:32 PM.
Hmm. I want to play! I'm a Dem and I don’t think like that at all.
My guess is your going for Obama because you not only care about the environment and getting off oil but you are also very unhappy with the war too.
Those things don't lend themselves to a McCain vote. At least not from my point of view anyway.
But it's ok. You don’t have to tell me if I am correct. I wouldn't want to ruin the whole "dark side" effect your pulling for![]()









“What a caterpillar calls the end of the world we call a butterfly.” - ECKHART TOLLE
In science, if we were going to conduct an experiment to prove or disprove a hypothesis, it would not help us very much if we were so invested in the outcome that we only saw the results that we wanted to see.
So it is with politics. A fair analysis is near impossible because people bring their biases to their evaluation. They want to see and hear certain things because that affirms their already existing belief.
So, yeah, I don't like misstatements promulgated as truths or "areas for discussion." As Jonathan Swift noted, communication is the means by which we convey ideas and facts to each other. If we tell less than the truth, or "the thing that is not," we defeat the very purpose of communication. So if I'm reading that Sen. Obama is a closet terrorist, or Sen. McCain is a closet Nazi, then my own search for the truth is being distracted by attempts to misdirect me with falsities, and yeah, I don't want to take the time for that.
As to the war: It turns out that Sen. Obama was right in not wanting to prosecute the war. On the other hand, Sen. McCain, along with others, was voting on the best (if falsified... grrrr...) evidence that was around. Once we're there and we made a mistake, do we pull out and minimize our presence? Or stick around and bring in the boots to try to make it right? I don't see that as an easy answer. My indignation about the war is not directed to either of these gentlemen.
In regard to the environment, McCain and Obama both seem enamored with reducing carbon emissions (McCain far more than is comfortable for the farther right-wing type - like Palin). They both like carbon credits. Alternative energies. Promises in those areas.
I'm not a radical environmentalist, merely try to be a sensible one. I did grow up as a radical environmentalist until I found out that my leaders and the industrialists would both lie quite easily to me to promote their agendas. I would now call myself someone who wants us to be a good steward. More of a conservationist. And I still don't like getting lied to.
But as to whom I'm voting for - well, I really would like us all to think about things and not just react out of our biases. Another forlorn hope, I know, but it's one reason why I don't advocate one over the other as much as try to punch holes in prevailing assumptions that don't necessarily have a basis in fact. Plus the fact that the secret ballot is one of the very solid cornerstones of a successful democracy, and I highly respect that principle.


That was like a riddle...lol
Well....I hope Americans will think about all things but I know most won't. John McCain and Barack Obama have tipped their hand on the issue that is most important to me.
Barack Obama will keep this country safe, he will be concerned about the environment but he has the ability to be a TRUE President...one that fights for the civil liberites of all Americans.
There are over 1,300 civil liberties and protections that Republicans do not want people I care about and have and they have made it LOUD AND CLEAR....no bias on that. Barack Obama would fight for equal rights for my family, people I care about....and people who I'll never meet that deserve them too.
Last edited by sapphiregirl; 09-10-2008 at 12:52 AM.
Once again I have embraced my addiction and have put off the moral dilemma to another day.
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Once again I have embraced my addiction and have put off the moral dilemma to another day.







Hey Optimist ... there's a vacant anchor job at MSNBC, and you have shown via this thread that MSNBC should give you some serious consideration !!!





oh and FBR, here's the news blurb you've been looking for ...
(snip)"NEW YORK (AP) - Charles Gibson's interviews with Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin will form the basis of a special prime-time edition of "20/20" Friday, ABC said Wednesday. [ that's friday September 12th - sic ]
Gibson is traveling to Fairbanks and Wasilla, Alaska, for the first TV interviews with Palin since she was selected as John McCain's running mate. The first excerpts of the talks will be shown on "World News" Thursday.
Gibson is having three separate interviews with Palin, ABC said. Parts of the interviews will be spread around other ABC news programs, including "Nightline" and "Good Morning America."
The prime-time special, at 10 p.m. EDT, will also include a bio of Palin by ABC's Kate Snow and a round-table discussion on the presidential race moderated by George Stephanopoulos.
The Alaska Republican has proven to be a ratings-grabber during her short time on the national political scene. Her speech to the GOP national convention last week was seen by more than 40 million people, according to Nielsen Media Research.
A Fox News Channel documentary, "Governor Palin: An American Woman" last Saturday was the highest-rated prime-time documentary in the network's history, with 2.7 million viewers.
CNN is also planning a Palin special this weekend. "(snip)
from
so unlike Oprah or MSNBC, or for that matter BET, Telemundo or UniVision, it would appear that some of the news networks are preparing to give Gov. Palin some air time.









“What a caterpillar calls the end of the world we call a butterfly.” - ECKHART TOLLE
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