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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    We all certainly can post what we want, comment on the postings we want, and ignore what we want. As for me, "Obama/Mcain said [something they didn't actually say]!!" and "Look what happened!!" when it never actually happened has gotten to be old, as a joke or not.

    Or I could start threads with all kinds of vile and gossipy stuff that isn't true, in the interests of making people think, or joking, but .... well. I'll just be glad when November is over.
    C'mon Jay!! We want to see your tabloid side! When do we see you get down and dirtaaay! You're like Switzerland today. When do we see the Dark Side??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    I stopped posting in the political threads yesterday because they had migrated from issues to personalities. Obviously, this drew me in, just like other apocryphal threads have done.

    Someone can yell "fire," and I'll run into the building to see if I can help. But no fire. Yeah, I bought into it. Joke's on me. Doesn't mean it was worth the energy or accomplished anything worthwhile.
    OK so all that aside --- it does make for an interesting "what if" post - RIGHT? What if the baby WAS MIXED --- what WOULD "society" do...? What might even "we" think/do.... Would it change our mind? (even a little)


    It interests me because... well... that is what my family "assumed" when I was pregnant - and not only did they assume they totally disowned me -- I know, dysfunctional....
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    You're like Switzerland today. When do we see the Dark Side??
    Today? Does anyone know how I'm going to vote? I'm willing to venture that the Democrats here think I'm for McCain and the Republicans here think I'm for Obama.

    At least, I kinda hope so. That's my dark side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    Today? Does anyone know how I'm going to vote? I'm willing to venture that the Democrats here think I'm for McCain and the Republicans here think I'm for Obama.

    At least, I kinda hope so. That's my dark side.

    Hmm. I want to play! I'm a Dem and I don’t think like that at all.

    My guess is your going for Obama because you not only care about the environment and getting off oil but you are also very unhappy with the war too.
    Those things don't lend themselves to a McCain vote. At least not from my point of view anyway.


    But it's ok. You don’t have to tell me if I am correct. I wouldn't want to ruin the whole "dark side" effect your pulling for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    Today? Does anyone know how I'm going to vote? I'm willing to venture that the Democrats here think I'm for McCain and the Republicans here think I'm for Obama.

    At least, I kinda hope so. That's my dark side.




    I think....no....I just know you are going to pull that lever for Obama!

    You know you want to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    I stopped posting in the political threads yesterday because they had migrated from issues to personalities. Obviously, this drew me in, just like other apocryphal threads have done.

    Someone can yell "fire," and I'll run into the building to see if I can help. But no fire. Yeah, I bought into it. Joke's on me. Doesn't mean it was worth the energy or accomplished anything worthwhile.


    It's hard to stay on issues when Sarah Palin hasn't even done an interview or debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    Today? Does anyone know how I'm going to vote? I'm willing to venture that the Democrats here think I'm for McCain and the Republicans here think I'm for Obama.

    At least, I kinda hope so. That's my dark side.
    I think you're a RENEGADE, Jay, a true renegade! You listen to both sides and filter through the muck. I figured you for being an Independent, actually.
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    In science, if we were going to conduct an experiment to prove or disprove a hypothesis, it would not help us very much if we were so invested in the outcome that we only saw the results that we wanted to see.

    So it is with politics. A fair analysis is near impossible because people bring their biases to their evaluation. They want to see and hear certain things because that affirms their already existing belief.

    So, yeah, I don't like misstatements promulgated as truths or "areas for discussion." As Jonathan Swift noted, communication is the means by which we convey ideas and facts to each other. If we tell less than the truth, or "the thing that is not," we defeat the very purpose of communication. So if I'm reading that Sen. Obama is a closet terrorist, or Sen. McCain is a closet Nazi, then my own search for the truth is being distracted by attempts to misdirect me with falsities, and yeah, I don't want to take the time for that.

    As to the war: It turns out that Sen. Obama was right in not wanting to prosecute the war. On the other hand, Sen. McCain, along with others, was voting on the best (if falsified... grrrr...) evidence that was around. Once we're there and we made a mistake, do we pull out and minimize our presence? Or stick around and bring in the boots to try to make it right? I don't see that as an easy answer. My indignation about the war is not directed to either of these gentlemen.

    In regard to the environment, McCain and Obama both seem enamored with reducing carbon emissions (McCain far more than is comfortable for the farther right-wing type - like Palin). They both like carbon credits. Alternative energies. Promises in those areas.

    I'm not a radical environmentalist, merely try to be a sensible one. I did grow up as a radical environmentalist until I found out that my leaders and the industrialists would both lie quite easily to me to promote their agendas. I would now call myself someone who wants us to be a good steward. More of a conservationist. And I still don't like getting lied to.

    But as to whom I'm voting for - well, I really would like us all to think about things and not just react out of our biases. Another forlorn hope, I know, but it's one reason why I don't advocate one over the other as much as try to punch holes in prevailing assumptions that don't necessarily have a basis in fact. Plus the fact that the secret ballot is one of the very solid cornerstones of a successful democracy, and I highly respect that principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    In science, if we were going to conduct an experiment to prove or disprove a hypothesis, it would not help us very much if we were so invested in the outcome that we only saw the results that we wanted to see.

    So it is with politics. A fair analysis is near impossible because people bring their biases to their evaluation. They want to see and hear certain things because that affirms their already existing belief.

    So, yeah, I don't like misstatements promulgated as truths or "areas for discussion." As Jonathan Swift noted, communication is the means by which we convey ideas and facts to each other. If we tell less than the truth, or "the thing that is not," we defeat the very purpose of communication. So if I'm reading that Sen. Obama is a closet terrorist, or Sen. McCain is a closet Nazi, then my own search for the truth is being distracted by attempts to misdirect me with falsities, and yeah, I don't want to take the time for that.

    As to the war: It turns out that Sen. Obama was right in not wanting to prosecute the war. On the other hand, Sen. McCain, along with others, was voting on the best (if falsified... grrrr...) evidence that was around. Once we're there and we made a mistake, do we pull out and minimize our presence? Or stick around and bring in the boots to try to make it right? I don't see that as an easy answer. My indignation about the war is not directed to either of these gentlemen.

    In regard to the environment, McCain and Obama both seem enamored with reducing carbon emissions (McCain far more than is comfortable for the farther right-wing type - like Palin). They both like carbon credits. Alternative energies. Promises in those areas.

    I'm not a radical environmentalist, merely try to be a sensible one. I did grow up as a radical environmentalist until I found out that my leaders and the industrialists would both lie quite easily to me to promote their agendas. I would now call myself someone who wants us to be a good steward. More of a conservationist. And I still don't like getting lied to.

    But as to whom I'm voting for - well, I really would like us all to think about things and not just react out of our biases. Another forlorn hope, I know, but it's one reason why I don't advocate one over the other as much as try to punch holes in prevailing assumptions that don't necessarily have a basis in fact. Plus the fact that the secret ballot is one of the very solid cornerstones of a successful democracy, and I highly respect that principle.



    That was like a riddle...lol

    Well....I hope Americans will think about all things but I know most won't. John McCain and Barack Obama have tipped their hand on the issue that is most important to me.


    Barack Obama will keep this country safe, he will be concerned about the environment but he has the ability to be a TRUE President...one that fights for the civil liberites of all Americans.


    There are over 1,300 civil liberties and protections that Republicans do not want people I care about and have and they have made it LOUD AND CLEAR....no bias on that. Barack Obama would fight for equal rights for my family, people I care about....and people who I'll never meet that deserve them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post

    But as to whom I'm voting for - well, I really would like us all to think about things and not just react out of our biases. Another forlorn hope, I know, but it's one reason why I don't advocate one over the other as much as try to punch holes in prevailing assumptions that don't necessarily have a basis in fact. Plus the fact that the secret ballot is one of the very solid cornerstones of a successful democracy, and I highly respect that principle.
    Are you sure you are not a dancer in disguise? That was one hell of intelligent tease resulting in keeping us guessing as well encouraging us to think outside of the box. Nicely done

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    It's hard to stay on issues when Sarah Palin hasn't even done an interview or debate.
    Have you heard if this weeks proposed ABC interview is scheduled for sure? I apologize for being lazy and not digging around to find out on my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Have you heard if this weeks proposed ABC interview is scheduled for sure? I apologize for being lazy and not digging around to find out on my own.

    FBR
    Someone please correct this if I've got the date wrong but I understand it is going to occur tomorrow on 9/11. Typical GOP shit if it's true. Using 9/11 as a political tool. But better she does it that day than no other I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zia_Abq View Post
    Someone please correct this if I've got the date wrong but I understand it is going to occur tomorrow on 9/11. Typical GOP shit if it's true. Using 9/11 as a political tool. But better she does it that day than no other I guess.

    I heard that too....I kind of think its tacky they are interviewing her on 9/11. Leave that day to honor the people who were lost and survived it....IMO.

    At least she is finally talking but they are always avoiding issues or making distractions.

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    Hey Optimist ... there's a vacant anchor job at MSNBC, and you have shown via this thread that MSNBC should give you some serious consideration !!!

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    oh and FBR, here's the news blurb you've been looking for ...

    (snip)"NEW YORK (AP) - Charles Gibson's interviews with Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin will form the basis of a special prime-time edition of "20/20" Friday, ABC said Wednesday. [ that's friday September 12th - sic ]

    Gibson is traveling to Fairbanks and Wasilla, Alaska, for the first TV interviews with Palin since she was selected as John McCain's running mate. The first excerpts of the talks will be shown on "World News" Thursday.

    Gibson is having three separate interviews with Palin, ABC said. Parts of the interviews will be spread around other ABC news programs, including "Nightline" and "Good Morning America."

    The prime-time special, at 10 p.m. EDT, will also include a bio of Palin by ABC's Kate Snow and a round-table discussion on the presidential race moderated by George Stephanopoulos.

    The Alaska Republican has proven to be a ratings-grabber during her short time on the national political scene. Her speech to the GOP national convention last week was seen by more than 40 million people, according to Nielsen Media Research.

    A Fox News Channel documentary, "Governor Palin: An American Woman" last Saturday was the highest-rated prime-time documentary in the network's history, with 2.7 million viewers.

    CNN is also planning a Palin special this weekend. "(snip)

    from


    so unlike Oprah or MSNBC, or for that matter BET, Telemundo or UniVision, it would appear that some of the news networks are preparing to give Gov. Palin some air time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    so unlike Oprah or MSNBC, or for that matter BET, Telemundo or UniVision, it would appear that some of the news networks are preparing to give Gov. Palin some air time.
    as oppose to the party not allowing the networks at her.......facts are inconvenient......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Hey Optimist ... there's a vacant anchor job at MSNBC, and you have shown via this thread that MSNBC should give you some serious consideration !!!
    Aww, go on!!! I used to be a journalism/public relations major so I LIVE for researching this kind of stuff. I don't know why I like it. It always starts arguments but I like it!
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    This can't be true.

    How do I know?

    Because P-Diddy told me this week that there are neither any Black people nor crackheads in Alaska.

    www.monstersandcritics/people/news/article_1428284.php/P._Diddys_Alaska_outrage

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