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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    This gets ridiculous. Straight guys shower with gays in high school, college, at health clubs etc. etc. It's ONLY in the military where everybody volunteered TO DO A JOB and where the CMJ applies that these poor, innocent, little boys are going to get "ogled" ?????

    Could I please read one argument; just ONE, against gays in the military that wasn't used against blacks by segregationists or that is grounded in common sense and REAL WORLD experience ?
    Not saying the reaction to gays in the barracks is right, just saying I think it could lead to problems. Maybe I'm not giving the recruits enough credit though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    What they want to do is distract people from the real issues because they would lose most of those arguments. Another day talking about "lips on a pig" is another day that they don't have to talk about the mess in Iraq, or the train wreck of the economy, or high energy prices, or .......


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    I personally think Sarah Palin is indeed a lipstick wearing pig.

    Thank you, Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana View Post
    I personally think Sarah Palin is indeed a lipstick wearing pig.

    Thank you, Obama.
    So is Hillary. And her physique is a lot more porcine than Palin's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Not saying the reaction to gays in the barracks is right, just saying I think it could lead to problems. Maybe I'm not giving the recruits enough credit though.

    Oh Please....stop ooooozing ingnorance and bigotry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    So is Hillary. And her physique is a lot more porcine than Palin's.


    Sarah Palin is the one who refers to HERSELF as a "dog" with lipstick......good thing makeup does wonders for the bigot.



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    This is freaking awesome......I'll be so happy when Obama crushes John the bigot McCain.




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiQC...eature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    This is freaking awesome......I'll be so happy when Obama crushes John the bigot McCain.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiQC...eature=related
    LOL Was the video pro Obama? I assume so but I couldn't tell. Him bustin' a move on Ellen wasn't that impressive. I mean, I'm an old white guy and I can dance as good as him if that is all he's got

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    Oh Please....stop ooooozing ingnorance and bigotry.
    So you are saying that women would have no problems with sharing their living quarters with men? Because situation with homosexuals and heterosexuals sharing same quarters is exactly same as women and men sharing quarters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JML View Post
    So you are saying that women would have no problems with sharing their living quarters with men? Because situation with homosexuals and heterosexuals sharing same quarters is exactly same as women and men sharing quarters.



    WTF? Are you homophoboic? It's always about the bedroom and your unfounded fears


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    WORD~

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    By Andrew Sullivan



    So it's come to this. The full context of Barack Obama's quote is as follows:
    “John McCain says he’s about change, too — except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics. That’s just calling the same thing something different.”

    With a laugh, he added: “You can put lipstick on a pig; it’s still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change; it’s still going to stink after eight years.”
    We are being asked to believe that he called Sarah Palin a pig. If the people making that accusation have half a brain they know it's not true. This is not a question of interpretation. It is a fact. So we now find out again that John McCain is prepared to tell an absolute lie - in public, verifiable, uncontestable.
    He does not have the minimal public integrity to be president of the United States.
    Game this all you want; distort it all you want; bamboozle the morons at cable news all you want; win however many news cycles you want.
    This claim is absurd on its face, like the Palin nomination to begin with. Absurd. And you can now tell who on the right has even a scintilla of intellectual honesty. That's all this episode is about: another tail-spin in the death throes of the Republican party.
    My only advice to Obama: stay calm; stay cool; focus on the issues; behave like the president you want to be. They are trying to get into your head. But you are so much smarter and more decent than they are. Patience. And steel.
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    ^^^Here's another good article by Andrew Sullivan.


    (snip)"For me, this surreal moment - like the entire surrealism of the past ten days - is not really about Sarah Palin or Barack Obama or pigs or fish or lipstick. It's about John McCain. The one thing I always thought I knew about him is that he is a decent and honest person. When he knows, as every sane person must, that Obama did not in any conceivable sense mean that Sarah Palin is a pig, what did he do? Did he come out and say so and end this charade? Or did he acquiesce in and thereby enable the mindless Rovianism that is now the core feature of his campaign?" (end snip)

    (snip)"McCain has demonstrated in the last two months that he does not have the character to be president of the United States. And that is why it is more important than ever to ensure that Barack Obama is the next president. The alternative is now unthinkable. And McCain - no one else - has proved it."(end snip)

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    It's funny, Richard, I was saying this to my Mom today. The more I dig into John Mc Cain record attitudes and style the less I respect him. He's just a fairly good actor but he doesn't have the vision or integrity to be a leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    Oh Please....stop ooooozing ingnorance and bigotry.
    How am I being ignorant and bigoted?

    I'm saying some people in the military (of which I'm not a member, BTW )will have a problem with it. That is not the same thing as saying they are justified in feeling that way. To deny this would be a difficult pill for some soldiers to swallow is akin to living in Fantasyland. In a perfect world, there'd be no problem with such a policy, but this is not a perfect world.

    And BTW, you never win debates by resorting to insults and name-calling. Isn't that the same sort of distraction from the issues as we're all accusing the campaigns of doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    WTF? Are you homophoboic? It's always about the bedroom and your unfounded fears


    DO NOT PUT A PERSON'S CIVIL RIGHTS UP FOR POPULAR VOTE.....PERIOD...NOT EVER IN THE UNITED STATES.
    Amusing instead of answering to my question you started name calling and avoided issue. This is funny coming from liberal who claims that conservatives avoid talking about issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    How am I being ignorant and bigoted?

    I'm saying some people in the military (of which I'm not a member, BTW )will have a problem with it. That is not the same thing as saying they are justified in feeling that way. To deny this would be a difficult pill for some soldiers to swallow is akin to living in Fantasyland. In a perfect world, there'd be no problem with such a policy, but this is not a perfect world.

    And BTW, you never win debates by resorting to insults and name-calling. Isn't that the same sort of distraction from the issues as we're all accusing the campaigns of doing?
    There were lots of folks in the military who didn't want integrated units and even more Neanderthals who didn't want women to serve. Fortunately, they had to get used to it. So it should be with gays. If it's a REAL problem for some and I'm sure it will be, especially for a few super macho dorks in the Marines, let them resign or retire.
    The average soldier, sailor, airman or Marine has grown up in an era fairly tolerant of gays and have no problem serving alongside them. It's time the generals and admirals caught up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    There were lots of folks in the military who didn't want integrated units and even more neanderthals who didn't want women to serve. Fortunately, they had to get used to it. So it should be with gays. If it's a REAL problem for some and I'm sure it will be, especially for a few super macho dorks in the Marines, let thme resign or retire.
    So true! If they are so fragile that gayness scares them they probably are too fragile for battle! LOL!
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    So you are saying that women would have no problems with sharing their living quarters with men? Because situation with homosexuals and heterosexuals sharing same quarters is exactly same as women and men sharing quarters.
    Please explain how the two are equivalent. And btw, men and women serve on ships together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    . If it's a REAL problem for some and I'm sure it will be, .
    That's all I ever said.

    It's OK as long as it doesn't compromise military effectiveness/morale/strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Please explain how the two are equivalent. And btw, men and women serve on ships together.
    Women and men don't share same living quarters because many people find it uncomfortable to change clothes, go to showers and ect while member opposite has a chance observe it due sexual connotations. Similarly some people find it uncomfortable to be state of undress while member of same sex who is intrested in his/her own gender has chance observe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JML View Post
    Women and men don't share same living quarters because many people find it uncomfortable to change clothes, go to showers and ect while member opposite has a chance observe it due sexual connotations. Similarly some people find it uncomfortable to be state of undress while member of same sex who is intrested in his/her own gender has chance observe it.
    If it makes them that "uncomfortable", let them either grow up or leave the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    If it makes them that "uncomfortable", let them either grow up or leave the military.
    And what IF that means thousands leave or, despite their best efforts, can't "grow up" to the point where it affects the quality of the military? Is being politically correct worth it under those circumstances?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    If it makes them that "uncomfortable", let them either grow up or leave the military.
    If US Army were to announce that from this day men and women will share quarters and if someone does not like it they should either grow up or leave the military nearly everyone from this forum would scream that it is sexist and sexual discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JML View Post
    If US Army were to announce that from this day men and women will share quarters and if someone does not like it they should either grow up or leave the military nearly everyone from this forum would scream that it is sexist and sexual discrimination.
    I'm NOT the one suggesting that a unisex military would be equivalent. You are.

    The fact is that gays and straights have shared quarters; showers and foxholes since the Revolutionary War.

    Many countries have gays openly serving without ANY noticeable negative effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    would you be comfortable sharing your barracks with a bunch of guys, changing and showering in front of them if you thought they were eyeballing you?

    I'm just saying an open and noticeable gay presence would make a lot of soldiers uneasy, IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    You're not going to like this, but I have a problem with gays in the military. I think they could be damaging to the morale. No soldier would want to share a barracks with guys who might find him sexually attractive. It would lead to problems. And separate barracks would never fly.
    OMFG just because someone is gay doesn't mean they want to hump EVERY DAMN BODY they come in contact with. Gimme a break! Just because I'm a lesbian and I'm a stripper I guess also means I check out the girls constantly while I'm at work..I mean hell I get to see them naked and topless. Do I, hell no because I'm at work! Damn, you act as if gays/lesbians have this uncontrollable sexual desires that they just can't stop and be a human or something.

    If you're in the military, you're there to do your job. And FTR: There are alot of gay males in the military. All gay men are not the loud, flamboyant types that are usually stereotyped as the majority.

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    Why do you feel that straight adoptive parents are more preferable over gay adoptive parents? If, as you said all other things are equal, why should they (straight couple) be held to a higher regard and viewed as a more acceptable parent?







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