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    So, I am curious. Is there some sort of rule that dancers live by that says they can't say ANY truth to a customer? I understand that the club is a fantasy, but if I say, "I'm fine" with you wanting my money and I am happy to give that money to you (within reason). Why do you have to continue to lie about everything related to you?

    My ATF is always telling me that she wants a number to call me (but she doesn't have a phone) and that we should do dinner OTC (but she's really busy). I recognize these as part of "the hustle" and to be clear, I don't want to know her real name or where she lives or her phone number (and I have never asked for any of these things).

    When I call her on the BS, she won't admit to it. For instance, she offers up "I don't have a home phone". I say, "Nobody who has a home doesn't have a phone" . She talks about needing 3000/ month to pay her bills (another sales ploy), but in there is no phone wrapped up in that 3000? Give me a break. I would love her to admit that she has a phone, but doesn't give it out or doesn't feel comfortable giving it to me (seeing as she brought it up in the first place she could have just remained silent about the matter)

    I don't think she owes me the truth about her life, but come on. Can't we be honest about the relationship in the club (relationship in the loosest terms. meaning two people who communicate). Or at least tell better lies.

    I suppose it might be fear of a customer stalking them that creates this wall, but maybe it is hatred of customers. I have lied to people I didn't think were on my level (when I was younger) and maybe that is the case here. I would hate to think that cuz you want to think if you tip well dress and smell ok. that you won't be hated, but who knows.

    I look at stripclubs as the same as getting a massage or a haircut or a good dentist. I have certain people who give me a great haircut or whatever. I want to go back to them, but if they started telling me outlandish lies all the time. I am not gonna go back. In this case, the conversation and dances are good enough that I come back, but I come back less often now than before she started this nonsense.

    I guess I am just wondering what motivates that kind of behavior for other dancers? Just curious.

    PS I accidentally posted this in another forum on this site. Newbie mistake. my bad.

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    I think she wants more of a sugar daddy situation. Unless you really dig her I say cut your losses and move on.

    She's a perpetual excuse machine........


    Oh, and in regards to your original question: At work I give a customer my TIME, my COMPANIONSHIP, and my awesome DANCES.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve123 View Post
    When I call her on the BS, she won't admit to it. For instance, she offers up "I don't have a home phone". I say, "Nobody who has a home doesn't have a phone"
    Not true. I know plenty of people who function on cell phone alone!

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    I look at stripclubs as the same as getting a massage or a haircut or a good dentist. I have certain people who give me a great haircut or whatever. I want to go back to them, but if they started telling me outlandish lies all the time. I am not gonna go back.
    To be perfectly honest , if my hairstylist is a pathological liar.... but he can cut my hair better than anyone else and charges a fair price... I don't give a rat's ass which big tittied Astronaut Babe he is fucking or whether he has dinner with Elvis's ghost on a regular basis.

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    In this case, the conversation and dances are good enough that I come back, but I come back less often now than before she started this nonsense.
    So.... You have answered your own question. You care about the truth... just not enough to quit seeing her. In the end.... it doesn't really matter what sort of hoop-la she spews. You're just another horny, red-blooded, man and you want your Boobie fix!

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    i don't have a problem with girls telling customers fantacy stuff. however, i almost -never- at work. i'm just not good at it and i'm too lazy to keep up with it.

    that being said, no matter what i DO say, i have customers argue with me over the validity of it.

    for instance, with my age... customers will say something like "what are you, like 23?" and i will say "i'm 29, actually, but thank you!" then like 90% of the time they'll say something about how i really "must be in my mid 30s then" because "i wouldn't tell my age".

    ok. so i look 23 and say i'm 29........... so i must actually BE 35?

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    It's for safety reasons. Anything that could help someone get my address is confidential. I think most dancers lie for exactly that reason.

    My B-day is July 24th, but I tell customers it's the 25th. If I lived in Detroit I'd say I lived a city or 2 over. My real name is X, but I tell them it's Racheal. When it comes to phone numbers, I don't know what mine is because I never call it.

    I never say anything out landish. Very few guys would ever know I was lying, or have a reason to call me out on it unless they tried to stalk me down.

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    I dunno, seems silly to lie about EVERYTHING. I sure don't. I would just leave those issues alone. Does seem weird that she keeps bringing it up, though.

    But who knows? She is a woman. Her reasons are, I'm sure, her own

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    I tell mostly the truth. I dont tell my real name but when they ask if my stage name is my real name I say no and smile. I tell them the truth about what I studied at uni and that I've recently graduated. I tell the truth about my age.

    The only things I lie about is where I live (area), my relationship status (coz saying I have a bf hurts my money) and I pretend to be into them (not as in leading them on but I act interested int hem as people).
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    I tell the truth. I personally can't stand girls that will make up shit just to get $$. The way I look at it, you're either going to give me $$ or not, no matter what I tell you. If you don't want to give me $$ because I'm married, won't give you my phone number, then so be it.

    I admit that I only told the truth in my home club, whenever I was traveling I'd tell the white lie here and there, that I was single. etc. It was just easier when I'm only going to be there for a week and never see these guys again. If I was going to have someone who could be a potential regular, I'd be honest. I've never been good at lying.

    If you're not happy giving your money to someone who won't be honest with you then move on and find someone else, or just ignore it and enjoy the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    I don't give a rat's ass which big tittied Astronaut Babe he is fucking or whether he has dinner with Elvis's ghost on a regular basis.
    We must know the same people.

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    I didn't have a house phone for years, only recently got it for the NFL Sunday Ticket. So you're being kinda picky imo about her lie, that's not really a big deal. Get over it.

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    The very best way to lie is to tell the truth in such a way that no one believes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    I think she wants more of a sugar daddy situation. Unless you really dig her I say cut your losses and move on.

    She's a perpetual excuse machine........


    Oh, and in regards to your original question: At work I give a customer my TIME, my COMPANIONSHIP, and my awesome DANCES.



    In a strip club, truth is irrelevant.
    Never thought about the sugar daddy angle... I am pretty sure that isn't the case, but either way I am not interested so no biggie.

    The dances are amazing (very sensual and fun not too grindy). So, maybe my problem is getting drinks for her. I think concentrating on drinking my beer, enjoying the show, tipping the ladies and getting an occassional lapdance.

    Quote Originally Posted by MeanGirl View Post
    I didn't have a house phone for years, only recently got it for the NFL Sunday Ticket. So you're being kinda picky imo about her lie, that's not really a big deal. Get over it.
    I really thought you had to have a home phone for most things. She mentioned having cable which I think does require one, but I haven't really researched it. She also mentioned not having a cell phone either. So, I kinda figured it was all made up. It really doesn't matter. I was just curious.

    Thanks to everyone for the input. I think the answer is that women are inscrutable (to me at least) and each person has their own reasons for doing things. It is great to hear how varied the responses are. I just need to relax and enjoy.

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    ^^No cable doesn't require a home phone, but yeah if she doesnt have a cell it's probably a lie.

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    You don't need to ask us about this stuff. She is bullshitting you and you will probably sign up for more ! If you want a relaxed club experience from this girl ... just don't ask a bunch of questions. Pay her to sit with you, hang out, keep the conversation light and get dances from her. Enjoy your time. If it becomes unenjoyable , find a new girl.

    For hells sake ....she could take your # and call you with her number blocked. She has a phone. Everyone has a phone.

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    It's great that you can accept that she doesn't want to go OTC etc but a lot of customers can't and some girls lie to keep the money flowing. Personally I find it to be a waste of energy. The only things I lie about is safety stuff (my fake real name is actually my middle name, I live in the town next to where I actually live and same with the place I grew up in, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve123 View Post
    So, I am curious. Is there some sort of rule that dancers live by that says they can't say ANY truth to a customer? I understand that the club is a fantasy, but if I say, "I'm fine" with you wanting my money and I am happy to give that money to you (within reason). Why do you have to continue to lie about everything related to you?

    My ATF is always telling me that she wants a number to call me (but she doesn't have a phone) and that we should do dinner OTC (but she's really busy). I recognize these as part of "the hustle" and to be clear, I don't want to know her real name or where she lives or her phone number (and I have never asked for any of these things).

    When I call her on the BS, she won't admit to it. For instance, she offers up "I don't have a home phone". I say, "Nobody who has a home doesn't have a phone" . She talks about needing 3000/ month to pay her bills (another sales ploy), but in there is no phone wrapped up in that 3000? Give me a break. I would love her to admit that she has a phone, but doesn't give it out or doesn't feel comfortable giving it to me (seeing as she brought it up in the first place she could have just remained silent about the matter)

    I don't think she owes me the truth about her life, but come on. Can't we be honest about the relationship in the club (relationship in the loosest terms. meaning two people who communicate). Or at least tell better lies.

    I suppose it might be fear of a customer stalking them that creates this wall, but maybe it is hatred of customers. I have lied to people I didn't think were on my level (when I was younger) and maybe that is the case here. I would hate to think that cuz you want to think if you tip well dress and smell ok. that you won't be hated, but who knows.

    I look at stripclubs as the same as getting a massage or a haircut or a good dentist. I have certain people who give me a great haircut or whatever. I want to go back to them, but if they started telling me outlandish lies all the time. I am not gonna go back. In this case, the conversation and dances are good enough that I come back, but I come back less often now than before she started this nonsense.

    I guess I am just wondering what motivates that kind of behavior for other dancers? Just curious.

    PS I accidentally posted this in another forum on this site. Newbie mistake. my bad.
    You know that she is lying about her name.....as well as just about every other thing she is telling you......but what you really have a problem with is that she isnt giving you her number(or admitting that she has a phone).....

    That is where you are drawing the line?

    This girl sounds pretty smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemmiwinks31 View Post
    You know that she is lying about her name.....as well as just about every other thing she is telling you......but what you really have a problem with is that she isnt giving you her number(or admitting that she has a phone).....

    That is where you are drawing the line?

    This girl sounds pretty smart.
    I never asked for her number (Never have never will ) and I never said I had a problem with any of it. I just wondered why she felt it was necessary to bring it up in the first place and wanted to find out possible motivations from people who might know.

    Thanks again for the responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve123 View Post
    For instance, she offers up "I don't have a home phone". I say, "Nobody who has a home doesn't have a phone" .
    Just wanted to point out that I don't know anyone under 30 that HAS a home phone. And very few people over 30 that have a home phone. Most people are either mobile or use the internet as their phone.

    And don't take the SS too personal. She probably has a pattern that she works with and that works for her. Regardless of what she intends, or what you tell her is unnecessary SS, she will stick to the pattern because it is automatic. Sort of like driving a manual for years, then renting and automatic for a week; you will still look for the clutch and try and shift gears because of your pattern.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahMike View Post
    The very best way to lie is to tell the truth in such a way that no one believes it.
    Damn....I kinda wanna quote that. I think I should start doing that at work.

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    I don't have a home phone either. Land lines are going the way of dial-up internet and rotary phones, dude.

    I look at stripclubs as the same as getting a massage or a haircut or a good dentist. I have certain people who give me a great haircut or whatever. I want to go back to them, but if they started telling me outlandish lies all the time. I am not gonna go back.
    Why do you give a rat's ass if they lie all the time so long as the service they're providing is what you want? Hell, one of my exes has been cutting my hair for ten years now and lies about me all the time to her friends and customers about how I was a selfish freeloader (total fabrication), an incurable philandering perv (that part is true) and how I was incapable of a real relationship (true--though just with her ). But she does an impeccable job cutting my hair with style, consistency and efficiency, so I let her cut it.

    My ATF is always telling me that she wants a number to call me (but she doesn't have a phone) and that we should do dinner OTC (but she's really busy). I recognize these as part of "the hustle" and to be clear, I don't want to know her real name or where she lives or her phone number (and I have never asked for any of these things).
    Knowing this as you say you do, why don't you just let it be and get your perv on and then leave afterward?

    I swear, 8 out of 10 guys are so busy trying to psychoanalyze their way into a dancer's mind or thong that they can't enjoy the club for what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    I swear, 8 out of 10 guys are so busy trying to psychoanalyze their way into a dancer's mind or thong that they can't enjoy the club for what it is.
    QFT. I see guys in the clubs, and read their words here and on TUSCL, who are clearly confused and/or miserable regarding the entire strip club experience.
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    Just wanted to point out that I don't know anyone under 30 that HAS a home phone. And very few people over 30 that have a home phone. Most people are either mobile or use the internet as their phone.

    And don't take the SS too personal. She probably has a pattern that she works with and that works for her. Regardless of what she intends, or what you tell her is unnecessary SS, she will stick to the pattern because it is automatic. Sort of like driving a manual for years, then renting and automatic for a week; you will still look for the clutch and try and shift gears because of your pattern.
    Yep, I'm 32 and we only got a home phone when we started our business a few years ago. I also hate cell phones and, well, just phones in general, so I don't give out my number to anyone that doesn't desperately need it.

    Also, the SS is easier not to get called on if you tell the same story to everyone. Especially if she drinks at work.

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    I don't see why you need to ask her anything personal if you believe she lies so much. Just enjoy what she does have to give you.

    You're trying to make a woody, not a friend.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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