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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    You do know that Bush won the last two elections don't you? And that we've had a republican majority in Congress most of the last decade?

    You mean contrary in that many of them are not entirely true?
    As opposed to all the mainstream stories that prove to be untrue ?

    The N.Y. Times often needs a full page to issue all its corrections. The Washington Post has a full time ombudsman whose arm is falling off from delivering so many whacks to the noses of its reporters with a rolled up newspaper- presumably the
    Washington Times.

    How about Keith Olberman's performance at the Republican Convention ?

    What I think Melonie is referring to is the "alternative media" that in recent years
    has given greater and broader play to stories that were either ignored or given
    short shrift by the "mainstream media". Arguably, this includes The Washington Times; The New York Post ; talk radio ; the internet and occasionally Fox News.

    When you've got Helen Thomas proudly admitting she's a liberal; NBC openly cheering for Obama and at least 80% of all T.V. and print reporters and editors admitting they vote Democrat; there is likely to be a bias or slant in news coverage.

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    'Tis the way of the world folks. You don't have to believe in the actual truth anymore. You don't need facts. Thanks to op-ed journalism that passes off as news these days, you can believe any "truth" you want. You can make up whatever "facts" you need to support your "truth". The liberal and conservative media are both guilty of it.

    Informing people took a back seat to ratings and spin doctoring a long time ago. Challenging people's convictions doesn't have any money in it, so the media would rather reinforce their viewers into being sheep. You can see the results of that in the opinions expressed on this very page.

    If I had my way, every media pundit listed on this page would be getting a trip to the woodshed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    uhhhhhh.....Hasselback was downright disgusting towards Michele Obama.
    Good thing the anti-American Michelle was able to fist-pump with the other three. That's a sure sign of impartial journalism, when the interviewers demonstrate a sign of team unity to the interviewee,

    Quote Originally Posted by sapphiregirl View Post
    What's wrong with the other women on the view...or do men only care about what women look like...a la Hasselback.
    What's wrong with the other three are their views, not their looks. But I'm not uncomfortable with including their looks now that you have suggested them to be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    'Tis the way of the world folks. You don't have to believe in the actual truth anymore. You don't need facts. Thanks to op-ed journalism that passes off as news these days, you can believe any "truth" you want. You can make up whatever "facts" you need to support your "truth". The liberal and conservative media are both guilty of it.

    Informing people took a back seat to ratings and spin doctoring a long time ago. Challenging people's convictions doesn't have any money in it, so the media would rather reinforce their viewers into being sheep. You can see the results of that in the opinions expressed on this very page.

    If I had my way, every media pundit listed on this page would be getting a trip to the woodshed.
    You make a very valid point and it can be traced directly back to most so-called Schools of Journalism (sic) where blurring of the lines between reportage and advocacy; between relating facts and editorializing has been not only tolerated but encouraged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Good thing the anti-American Michelle was able to fist-pump with the other three. That's a sure sign of impartial journalism, when the interviewers demonstrate a sign of team unity to the interviewee,



    What's wrong with the other three are their views, not their looks. But I'm not uncomfortable with including their looks now that you have suggested them to be a problem.
    The "VIEW" is an ENTERTAINMENT program like Bill Maher's Real Time and the deck is always pre-stacked. The ONLY one with any "reporting" experience is Babs Walters and her career and record has been, ahem, mixed.

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    The first post smacks of right wing bias........
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    God loves strippers and when guys do things like that its an automatic ticket to HELL!


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    from the link I added in post #10


    "Sen. John McCain's tactics are drawing the scorn of many in the media and organizations tasked with fact-checking the truthfulness of campaigns. In recent weeks, Team McCain has been described as dishonorable, disingenuous and downright cynical. "

    Since he is so often LYING in his ads and speeches it's no wonder the media is feeling manipulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    The "VIEW" is an ENTERTAINMENT program like Bill Maher's Real Time and the deck is always pre-stacked. The ONLY one with any "reporting" experience is Babs Walters and her career and record has been, ahem, mixed.
    While liberal leaning.....I do think its ironic that the daily show is the only one who goes and gets clips of the canidates saying one thing one day, and changing direction the next.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Hannity has already said he will ask the questions ( and I sure hope some of them are tough and relevant ) and give her the time to answer them fully.
    He certainly doesn't give everybody that courtesy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    He certainly doesn't give everybody that courtesy.
    Much ado about nothing. First off, Hannity had facts, The author had feelings. Facts trump feelings.

    Secondly, and I could be wrong, I think Palin is going on the radio show, which has a different format. On H&C , the format is to bring in a guest and let one of the hosts kiss his ass while the other attacks him. The radio show is less of a shouting match, but we need only wait till Tuesday to see how it goes. I hope he doesn't toss her softballs and not follow up where follow up is called for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Much ado about nothing. First off, Hannity had facts, The author had feelings. Facts trump feelings.
    Sorry, that's no way to conduct an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Sorry, that's no way to conduct an interview.

    It was consistent with the format of the show though I could have done without the shouting by either guy. The guy threatened top leave and hannity invited him to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    It was consistent with the format of the show though I could have done without the shouting by either guy. The guy threatened top leave and hannity invited him to do so.
    Consistent? It's sad that people take that clown seriously then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Consistent? It's sad that people take that clown seriously then.
    Hannity's skills aside, how about the hatchet job Charlie Gibson tried to pull last week?
    (snip)
    September 12, 2008
    Evidence Gibson Was Prejudiced Against Palin: Comparison of Palin and Obama Interviews
    I compared Charles Gibson’s interview of Palin with his interview of Obama and there is much evidence that Gibson was prejudiced against Palin. He interviewed Obama right after he became the presumptive presidential nominee and he interviewed Palin shortly after she became the vice presidential nominee. So the situation of the interviews is similar. And because the situation of the interviews is similar Gibson’s extreme prejudice against Palin is very obvious.

    For example, Gibson asked Obama a lot of questions focused on the positive aspects of Obama being a champion and breaking a glass ceiling for African Americans. Yet he didn’t ask Palin about her potential of breaking the infamous glass ceiling and the benefits that would create for women who are a much larger percentage of the U.S. population than African Americans.

    Furthermore, Gibson often questioned Palin’s ability to lead, but he never questioned Obama’s ability to lead. This is outrageous because Palin has more political executive experience than Obama and far more political accomplishments. Another reason why it was prejudiced for Gibson to question Palin’s ability to lead and not Obama’s ability to lead is that Palin is seeking the much less powerful job of VP. And to add insult to injury Gibson even asked Palin if it was conceited of her to accept the vice presidential nomination, yet he did not insult Obama with that question even though Obama is applying for a much more powerful job.

    Also Gibson maintained an almost constant sour face when interviewing Palin and his tone of voice seemed to imply that he was disappointed in her. I haven’t watched the entire Obama interview but the part I watched showed Gibson with a pleased expression on his face and the transcript shows that there was frequent laughter during his interview with Obama.

    Even the camera angle was designed to be prejudiced against Palin. She is filmed from the side and slightly with her back to the camera. Although there are close ups of her face the long shot shows her back to the camera. It seems filming her with her back to the camera was meant to make her appear less likeable. In contrast, the film crew placed the long shot camera facing Obama so at all times when he is speaking the camera looks him in the face rather than looking at his back.

    And Obama was asked much easier questions mostly about feelings about winning, breaking the glass ceiling and 2008 campaign decisions. In contrast, Palin was asked numerous specific policy and military strategy questions that required extensive knowledge about treaties, U.S. anti-terrorism strategy and world history. And Gibson misquoted Palin falsely stating that she said our troops were in an alleged holy war when what she said was that she prayed that we were doing God’s will. The following is a breakdown of the types of questions asked of the nominees:

    Obama interview:
    http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5000184

    How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
    How does it feel to win?
    How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
    Who will be your VP?
    Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
    Will you accept public finance?
    What issues is your campaign about?
    Will you visit Iraq?
    Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
    What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

    Palin interview:
    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...with-abc-news/

    Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
    Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
    Questions about foreign policy
    -territorial integrity of Georgia
    -allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
    -NATO treaty
    -Iranian nuclear threat
    -what to do if Israel attacks Iran
    -Al Qaeda motivations
    -the Bush Doctrine
    -attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
    -Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

    There’s no doubt the Charles Gibson interviews showed extreme prejudice against Palin and extreme favoritism towards Obama. His manner towards Palin was much more negative. He asked her much more difficult questions and the questions were more adversarial. He constantly questioned her ability to lead but never questioned Obama’s ability to lead, all the more amazing considering that Palin was the only one with executive experience and the presidency is the highest level executive job in politics. The camera angles always focused on Obama’s face when he was talking making him the center of attention yet during Palin’s interview the angle often focused on her back apparently for the purpose of lessening the impact of her presence.

    The questions, camera angle, and manner of the interviewer were designed in a way that favored Obama. Because Palin is a historic woman candidate and has been attacked with sexism it is reasonable to believe that ABC News is trying to harm her candidacy due to sexism. Of particular note is that Gibson asked Obama four questions about breaking the AA political glass ceiling but asked Palin zero questions about her breaking the women’s political glass ceiling. ABC’s prejudice against Palin was wrong and is blocking women’s progress towards equality. Palin is brave and strong and she, along with her supporters, will battle sexism and other forms of harmful prejudice in order to improve our world. This is a wake up call for ABC and the sexist news media to help them achieve their potential to be fair to candidates because fairness in the media is essential to a democracy. (snip)

    I still thought she did pretty well.
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    Charlie Gibson? Hatchet job? LMFAO. This was her first major interview, none of those questions had been asked of her yet. Obama has been interviewed hundreds of times. These were legitimate questions. Don't worry that hardhitting Hannity interview is coming up.

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    Bem, is your (snip) from Hannity? I don't see an attribution in your post.

    Palin has not broken any ceiling, nor done anything personally to do so. Hillary cracked it as the first legitimate run at president by a woman, McCain chose Palin for the position of VP candidate which has already had a woman occupy it, so what new ground is being broken here?

    As for the Gibson interview, he definitely had an air about him throughout it. I don't know I'd use the word contemptuous, but he was feeling the pressure of the rest of the media, for sure.

    Blame the McCain campaign for that. If they are going to sequester her from one on ones, they can expect the few she does do to try to cover as much meat as possible. They handpicked this guy, don't blame Gibson for their short-sightedness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Ernie View Post
    Bem, is your (snip) from Hannity? I don't see an attribution in your post.

    Palin has not broken any ceiling, nor done anything personally to do so. Hillary cracked it as the first legitimate run at president by a woman, McCain chose Palin for the position of VP candidate which has already had a woman occupy it, so what new ground is being broken here?

    As for the Gibson interview, he definitely had an air about him throughout it. I don't know I'd use the word contemptuous, but he was feeling the pressure of the rest of the media, for sure.

    Blame the McCain campaign for that. If they are going to sequester her from one on ones, they can expect the few she does do to try to cover as much meat as possible. They handpicked this guy, don't blame Gibson for their short-sightedness.
    Not from his site. The list of questions are all over the net but I'll try to find exactly where that turned up..

    She'd break the ceiling if they win by actually occupying the office. Ferraro never had a shot in the '84 election. It might have been the most one-sided election in history.

    As far as the one-on-ones are concerned. She probably had two-and-a-half weeks from knowing she'd be nominated to being interviewed. Obama waited 18 months to answer any hard questions, so give her credit for that at least. If she doesn't do all the tough interviews, I for one will be very disappointed.
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    Another snippet of evidence that the interview was designed to belittle her.

    http://hollywoodtrenches.vox.com/

    Even the perceived angle of the interview can be used to the interviewee's advantage or disadvantage.

    Also take a look at:

    http://rgcombs.blog-city/exposing/ex...ibson_bias.htm

    Its not where I first saw it but it has been reprinted here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Consistent? It's sad that people take that clown seriously then.
    Yes, consistent would be the best description. It's sad to say but that is the way he treats liberal minded people in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Consistent? It's sad that people take that clown seriously then.
    consistent with the format of the show. one attacks, one defends, depending on the bias of the guest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    If she doesn't do all the tough interviews, I for one will be very disappointed.
    Not likely to happen. Steve Schmidt is handling her like he did Arnold in his run to the governorship of California. Limited media access, short punchy little speeches, and a vow to change Sacramento.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...sn=001&sc=1000

    And how has this reformer in name only worked out? We just broke the record for most number of days without a budget, he climbed in bed with several special interest groups, pretty much politics as ususal. I'd expect the same from McCain/Palin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Even the perceived angle of the interview can be used to the interviewee's advantage or disadvantage.
    He's taller than her for christsakes, should they have had him sitting on the floor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    He's taller than her for christsakes, should they have had him sitting on the floor?
    I'll defer to the Hollywood expert. The difference in height seems less pronounced in the shot with Hillary. Maybe its a coincidence but maybe it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Much ado about nothing. First off, Hannity had facts, The author had feelings. Facts trump feelings.

    Secondly, and I could be wrong, I think Palin is going on the radio show, which has a different format. On H&C , the format is to bring in a guest and let one of the hosts kiss his ass while the other attacks him. The radio show is less of a shouting match, but we need only wait till Tuesday to see how it goes. I hope he doesn't toss her softballs and not follow up where follow up is called for.
    Hannity is a horse's ass who gives Conservatives a bad name with his juvenile bullying. In the interview Richard linked to , Hannity's " facts" while true were also outdated. The CURRENT unemployment rate is 6.1 % ! Wall Street is tanking as a DIRECT result of the sub-prime mortgage mess which actually STARTED under Clinton BUT it was the Bushies who ignored repeated calls to REGULATE the banking and financial industries. Add in Greenspan ( of all people) being asleep at the switch and Bernanke who went overboard in trying to avoid a necessary recession and we got the current witch's brew of failing banks and Federal bail- outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Charlie Gibson? Hatchet job? LMFAO. This was her first major interview, none of those questions had been asked of her yet. Obama has been interviewed hundreds of times. These were legitimate questions. Don't worry that hardhitting Hannity interview is coming up.
    If you compare the manner and tone of MOST Obama interviews with the one Gibson did with Palin there is definitely a difference. So what ? Any Republican with a brain knows that going in.

    All in all, I thought Palin did rather well.

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