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    (snip)"After Roadblocks, Florida Officials Push to Enforce Voter ID Law
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    Saturday, September 13, 2008

    No Match, No Vote. It’s now more than just an electoral catch phrase in Florida.

    With Election Day fast-approaching, the Sunshine State is finally enforcing this local law aimed at preventing voter fraud, after several roadblocks.

    The intent of the “No Match, No Vote” law is simple: to ensure voters are who they say they are.

    The verification effort entails double-checking every voter registration form with the Florida Motor Vehicles database, or the Social Security database. If the numbers don’t match, the voters can still vote — with a provisional ballot — but that voter then has two days after Election Day to provide their driver’s license or Social Security card to their local elections supervisor.

    “I have a responsibility … to ensure that we have a fair and honest registration process and that we have fair, honest and accurate elections,” Florida Secretary of State Kurt Browning said. “That’s my goal, that’s my mission.”

    The state is in the midst of registering new voters and enforcing the verification standard — but state lawmakers first passed the law three years ago.

    It’s been in a holding pattern since then, after the NAACP and several other groups sued to block it, suggesting “no match, no vote” is a Republican attempt to infringe voting rights.

    “We didn’t allow voting on the basis of race, we didn’t allow it on gender, we didn’t allow it on literacy, we didn’t allow it on money because we had poll taxes. So this is just another in this long history of trying to make it difficult to vote in the United States,” said Brad Brown, of the NAACP.

    But ultimately the courts sided with the state. Browning, a Republican, said implementing the law less than a month before the voter registration deadline is not part of any conspiracy to suppress the vote."(snip)


    While not automatically applicable to other states, this court precedent gives ammunition to people like Pete Domenici - R New Mexico to enact similar cross-check requirements in time for the november election. The issue also potentially applies to several other 'swing' states, given recent accusations or outright proof of voter fraud by groups such as ACORN. This is of particular interest since it involves 'swing' states like New Mexico, Ohio and Pennsylvania. This is of even more interest since those 'undocumented' voters most likely to be disqualified by cross-checks are also most likely to vote Democratic.



    Oh, did I mention that one of the largest recipients of Illinois taxpayer money distributed by community organizer Barack Obama was ACORN ?

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    What are McCain's people doing sending out faulty ballots in Ohio?

    http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...108/309110032/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    What are McCain's people doing sending out faulty ballots in Ohio?

    http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...108/309110032/
    They weren't faulty ballots. They were faulty ballot applications. Assuming they were being sent to Republicans, their error would have only hurt themselves if would be Republican voters were not deemed eligible for an absentee ballots.
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    This story me of how FL purged shitloads of valid voters off the rolls just because they were likely Democratic voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    They weren't faulty ballots. They were faulty ballot applications. Assuming they were being sent to Republicans, their error would have only hurt themselves if would be Republican voters were not deemed eligible for an absentee ballots.
    You're probably right, although I think I heard that the ballots were going to both dem and republican voters. I guess they'll have to be happy with disenfranchising those Florida voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    You're probably right, although I think I heard that the ballots were going to both dem and republican voters. I guess they'll have to be happy with disenfranchising those Florida voters.
    You mean those FL voters who can't prove they have the right to vote?

    I had to go back to the car for my license last time I voted. I had no problem with doing that.

    Please make a case for me why "undocumented voters" should be allowed to vote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    You mean those FL voters who can't prove they have the right to vote?

    I had to go back to the car for my license last time I voted. I had no problem with doing that.

    Please make a case for me why "undocumented voters" should be allowed to vote?
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    (snip)"The law at issue bars any Florida citizen from voting a valid ballot if the state cannot validate their driver's license number or the last 4 digits of their Social Security number, no matter how much identification the voter is able to bring to the polls. The process starts with an attempt to "match" voter information to other government databases, an error-prone exercise that often fails. For example, the Social Security Administration reports that 46% failure rate when trying to match voter registration applications. State officials admitted in a recent challenge to the law, Florida NAACP v. Browning, that typographical errors by election workers are responsible for most of the failures." (end snip)

    (snip)"The most senseless part is that the state creates these errors, and then makes it unnecessarily hard to fix the problem," said Myrna Pérez of the Brennan Center. "If the state insists on enforcing this misguided matching provision, it should at least make it possible for voters to show their driver's license at the poll and validate their registration then and there. To have registered, brought your ID to the polls, and still be told you can't vote -- all because of a bureaucratic error -- is ridiculous." (end snip)

    (snip)""It is unfortunate that the Secretary of State launched this policy less than a month before registration deadline. Had he enforced this sooner, there might have been time to troubleshoot the law or investigate its consequences, but this is really the 11th hour and is certain to derail eligible voters. At the very least, counties can and should help avoid the chaos that this law creates by making it possible to fix the problem at the polls," urged Elizabeth Westfall of Advancement Project, one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs. (end snip)

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    Shall we throw the "victory" party for McCain now, or pretend that we are going to have an election first?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Shall we throw the "victory" party for McCain now, or pretend that we are going to have an election first?
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    What is wrong with preventing people like illegal aliens from voting in American elections ? Or making sure that dead people aren't trying to vote ?

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    ^^^ what's wrong is that most of the illegal aliens and dead people cast votes for Democrats !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    What is wrong with preventing people like illegal aliens from voting in American elections ? Or making sure that dead people aren't trying to vote ?
    http://www.alternet.org/democracy/98...ise_thousands/

    (snip)"The law at issue bars any Florida citizen from voting a valid ballot if the state cannot validate their driver's license number or the last 4 digits of their Social Security number, no matter how much identification the voter is able to bring to the polls. The process starts with an attempt to "match" voter information to other government databases, an error-prone exercise that often fails.For example, the Social Security Administration reports that 46% failure rate when trying to match voter registration applications. State officials admitted in a recent challenge to the law, Florida NAACP v. Browning, that typographical errors by election workers are responsible for most of the failures." (end snip)

    (snip)"The most senseless part is that the state creates these errors, and then makes it unnecessarily hard to fix the problem," said Myrna Pérez of the Brennan Center. "If the state insists on enforcing this misguided matching provision, it should at least make it possible for voters to show their driver's license at the poll and validate their registration then and there. To have registered, brought your ID to the polls, and still be told you can't vote -- all because of a bureaucratic error -- is ridiculous." (end snip)

    (snip)""It is unfortunate that the Secretary of State launched this policy less than a month before registration deadline. Had he enforced this sooner, there might have been time to troubleshoot the law or investigate its consequences, but this is really the 11th hour and is certain to derail eligible voters. At the very least, counties can and should help avoid the chaos that this law creates by making it possible to fix the problem at the polls," urged Elizabeth Westfall of Advancement Project, one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs. (end snip)

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    Do FL voter cards show political party affiliation? If so, that sure would make it "easier" for "errors" to occur.

    With shit like this going on in the last several elections no wonder so many Americans feel their votes don't matter and so don't bother to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    http://www.alternet.org/democracy/98...ise_thousands/

    (snip)"The law at issue bars any Florida citizen from voting a valid ballot if the state cannot validate their driver's license number or the last 4 digits of their Social Security number, no matter how much identification the voter is able to bring to the polls. The process starts with an attempt to "match" voter information to other government databases, an error-prone exercise that often fails.For example, the Social Security Administration reports that 46% failure rate when trying to match voter registration applications. State officials admitted in a recent challenge to the law, Florida NAACP v. Browning, that typographical errors by election workers are responsible for most of the failures." (end snip)

    (snip)"The most senseless part is that the state creates these errors, and then makes it unnecessarily hard to fix the problem," said Myrna Pérez of the Brennan Center. "If the state insists on enforcing this misguided matching provision, it should at least make it possible for voters to show their driver's license at the poll and validate their registration then and there. To have registered, brought your ID to the polls, and still be told you can't vote -- all because of a bureaucratic error -- is ridiculous." (end snip)

    (snip)""It is unfortunate that the Secretary of State launched this policy less than a month before registration deadline. Had he enforced this sooner, there might have been time to troubleshoot the law or investigate its consequences, but this is really the 11th hour and is certain to derail eligible voters. At the very least, counties can and should help avoid the chaos that this law creates by making it possible to fix the problem at the polls," urged Elizabeth Westfall of Advancement Project, one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs. (end snip)
    Yeah BUT Florida and several other states had widely reported voter fraud. How do YOU suggest that we keep illegal aliens, convicted felons and dead people from voting.

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    Vote early and vote often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    What is wrong with preventing people like illegal aliens from voting in American elections ? Or making sure that dead people aren't trying to vote ?
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    ^^^ what's wrong is that most of the illegal aliens and dead people cast votes for Democrats !
    Can either of you link to an article or story documenting the percentage of time this actually happens? The reason why I ask is that I think this is an urban myth, like the old lady that microwaved her cat or alligators in sewers in NYC.

    I didn't do an extensive search, but I did spend some time searching articles online for proof of voter fraud, and could find nothing. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place? I'm talking about proof of bad ballots, not just talk about the possibility of voter fraud.

    Now, there is a lot of proof of ELECTION FRAUD. Ask Don Seigleman, he'll tell you all about it, LOL!


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    They know their "match standard" has a nearly a 50% failure rate and yet they still want it ?!?!

    That proves to me that their goal obviously isn't to keep invalid voters from voting, it's to keep valid likely Democratic voters from voting. They know beforehand who is registered Dem and I think they plan to cause a no match error to large numbers of them.

    I believe this is just a different tactic than the republicans used previously with those roadblocks. Those were targeted at ONLY likely Dem voters. It's also similar to when they did that whole purge thing of the voter rolls.

    In my opinion, republicans are using and defending tactics not too far from the third world election fraud that we American are always rightly crying foul about. It’s just yet ANOTHER example of republicans being nothing but a bunch hypocrites.
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    That proves to me that their goal obviously isn't to keep invalid voters from voting, it's to keep valid likely Democratic voters from voting. They know beforehand who is registered Dem and I think they plan to cause a no match error to large numbers of them.
    Exactly how are they going to keep valid voters from voting?

    And using the same rationale as you, why can't i conclude that dems want invaled voters to be counted?
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    I you can bring proof of your identity then you should be allowed to vote. Her in NC, you can bring all the normal stuff (Drivers License, social security card, etc) and you can also bring stuff like a utility bill, a bank statement, school records, among other things. That's the way it should work. If you can bring such documentation to prove you are who you say you are then you should be able to vote. The way they do it has an almost 50% failure rate. That means that almost half of the people who should be able to vote are not able to because of an error out out their hands. That's unacceptable not matter which team you are on.
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    Shall we throw the "victory" party for McCain now, or pretend that we are going to have an election first?

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    ^^^ what's wrong is that most of the illegal aliens and dead people cast votes for Democrats !
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    I you can bring proof of your identity then you should be allowed to vote. Her in NC, you can bring all the normal stuff (Drivers License, social security card, etc) and you can also bring stuff like a utility bill, a bank statement, school records, among other things. That's the way it should work. If you can bring such documentation to prove you are who you say you are then you should be able to vote. The way they do it has an almost 50% failure rate. That means that almost half of the people who should be able to vote are not able to because of an error out out their hands. That's unacceptable not matter which team you are on.
    I think the problem is that time is an issue here. People may not have the time to get things in order. Driver's license, state ID, SS card are all fine. The utility bills and stuff like that serve only to prove residential issues. Even illegals have utility bills and bank statements, or at least I think they do. I know things have tightened up considerably since 9/11.

    Surely, no one would disagree that voting should be restricted to US citizens who are not felons. And nobody who meets those requirements and follows the registration procedure should be denied the right to vote.
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    When you register to vote, they are supposed to run your name to make sure you are a citizen, are not a felon, and are actually a real, alive person. When you show up to vote, all you should have to bring proof that you are who you say you are and you live where you say you live. You shouldn't have to be run through another check for citizenship, felon, ect. That creates an undue burden that should have been taken care of way in advance and the fact that their method fails half of the time is extremely worrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    When you register to vote, they are supposed to run your name to make sure you are a citizen, are not a felon, and are actually a real, alive person. When you show up to vote, all you should have to bring proof that you are who you say you are and you live where you say you live. You shouldn't have to be run through another check for citizenship, felon, ect. That creates an undue burden that should have been taken care of way in advance and the fact that their method fails half of the time is extremely worrying.
    I still don't see how this proves, or even hints at, Republican dirty tricks. At least not in theory.

    I think everyone should be able to prove their eligibility to vote and I also think that given the issue of illegal immigaration, it is especially important now.

    Also. you are advocating that they check all registered voters and do what? Contact them to straighten things out? As opposed to just checking those that try to vote?

    Remember, even in the most enthusiastically-followed elections, turnout is usually under 50%.
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    You are pissing me off because you are being so damn dense and every time I respond to you you just ignore parts of my post, reply back with off the wall or asinine things, or just ignore facts. You do it in every thread. Maybe I'm just easily annoyed but FUCK!

    I didn't say it was pointing to dirty Repub tricks (although this is more likely to happen in heavy Dem areas). It's not right for anyone to have to be dismissed form voting whether they are R or D. I said that in an earlier post.

    And I am saying that they DO check these voters when they register and if something comes up then, yes, the person should be notified. Why shouldn't they be? If there was a problem with your registration, wouldn't you want to know that before you got to the polling place and they demanded a bunch of documents that you don't keep with you all the time and then they checked your info but you were one of the unlucky 40-something percent that are mistakenly turned away?

    Why should a system that is wrong half the time still be used? Why?
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