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    Two ads released yesterday showed Obama is playing the race card.


    Governor Sebelius of Kansas :

    http://iowaindependent.com/5627/sebe...ay-be-a-factor

    spoke yesterday and they released a really hateful and misleading ad in Spanish

    http://www.powerlineblog.comarchives.../09/021545.php

    attributing words to Rush Limbaugh that he never said and then trying to link McCain to Rush and his comments.

    Obama is playing right along with the Saul Alinsky playbook of creating enemies, smearing them and then trying to convince the populace that that enemy is their enemy also.

    So much for being a new type of politician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Is that playing the race card or stating the obvious?


    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    spoke yesterday and they released a really hateful and misleading ad in Spanish

    http://www.powerlineblog.comarchives.../09/021545.php

    attributing words to Rush Limbaugh that he never said and then trying to link McCain to Rush and his comments.
    That link doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Is that playing the race card or stating the obvious?
    Well, the inference is that if you're not voting for Obama, you must be racist. They are playing to white guilt, essentially telling them that voting for Obama will prove thy're not racist.


    I accessed the second link off Limbaugh's site but first heard about it on the radio this morning. I'm quite sure it will be a major topic of discussion. It's a pretty lowlife tactic on the Obamamaniacs' part. Intentionally misinterpreting the words of someone who has no real connection to McCain and then inferring those are his words is low, even for the Dems. They're taking advantage of the fact that those folks don't speak English by telling them something patently untrue.
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    Man...those GOP campaign wonks must buy their outrage and umbrage in bulk.

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    Um, how the fuck is OBAMA playing the race card here? You are really fuckin' reachin right now.

    And let's not play ourselves, here. There are people who will not vote for Obama because he is black. That's the absolute truth. My father was having a discussion with some guys at a bar a few weeks back and a white guy told him plainly, "I can't do it. I just can't vote for a black guy."

    You know what my dad said? "Well, at least you're honest."

    So don't sit here and play like it's NOT a factor when we all know it is.

    You really need to change your title though, because that's fuckin bullshit. Otherwise, we should start holding McCain/Palin responsible for everything any conservatives say, no matter how outlandish.

    ETA: I put this here b/c I didn't see anywhere where Obama explicitly said this.
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    I actually agree. It's not really a good ad and it is quite divisive. Sometimes politians make mistakes as far as ads go and Obama sining off on this one was most certainly one of those mistakes.

    Rush's quote about "shut up or get out " was taken out of context as he was putting the immigration policy of Mexico in his own words.

    And the full quote about "stupid Mexicans" is:

    "If you are unskilled and uneducated, your job is going south. Skilled workers, educated people are going to do fine 'cause those are the kinds of jobs NAFTA is going to create. If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people, I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do -- let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

    Now I'm not an overly sensitive person and I can see what he was trying to say (that jobs being done by stupid Americans can be done by stupid Mexicans; in essence any stupid people can do these jobs) but it's still a fucked up thing to say. I would be offended if I was a stupid person no matter what my race or nationality but since it doesn't apply to me with my infinite wisdom I am not offended.

    Now we all know that Rush is not a bastion of tolerance so I'm not trying to defend him as a person (he is a horrible person in my opinion), I'm just defending these two quotes. Rush has a habit of saying off-the-cuff shit like this that turns out badly for him but linking his asinine remarks to McCain are a bit far-fetched. McCain has is own asinine remarks to worry about
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPLUT View Post
    Man...those GOP campaign wonks must buy their outrage and umbrage in bulk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francescadubois View Post
    And let's not play ourselves, here. There are people who will not vote for Obama because he is black. That's the absolute truth. My father was having a discussion with some guys at a bar a few weeks back and a white guy told him plainly, "I can't do it. I just can't vote for a black guy."

    You know what my dad said? "Well, at least you're honest."

    So don't sit here and play like it's NOT a factor when we all know it is.
    Just as there are those who will vote for him because he is black.

    No one would deny race is an issue. My post said said Obama ( through Sebelius, an Obama insider) was playing the race card. Wouldn't it be better to take race out odf the debate instead of thrusting it in people's faces?


    Quote Originally Posted by francescadubois View Post
    You really need to change your title though, because that's fuckin bullshit. Otherwise, we should start holding McCain/Palin responsible for everything any conservatives say, no matter how outlandish.
    If you find conservatives crossing the line on McCain's behalf, criticize away. I'll even join you.

    The conservatives haven't done that and don't need to.

    Obama is a bad candidate because he ia a bad candidate, not because he is Black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    My post said said Obama ( through Sebelius, an Obama insider) was playing the race card.

    The conservatives haven't done that and don't need to.

    Obama is a bad candidate because he ia a bad candidate, not because he is Black.
    Well, as far as I'm concerned, your post is full of shit on so many levels. It doesn't help that I'm in a shitty mood, so I'll just refrain from posting in the thread for a while after this.

    So how is Sebelius an insider? Because she is a supporter? What constitutes an insider?

    And conservatives have been playing the shit outta the race card. They are just VERY careful and clever about their words. (Remember when they called Michelle Barack's "baby mama"? What the fuck is that? What about Barack Osama? Come on, now.) You even admitted to using certain words/language to antagonize others on this board. It's the way conservatives do shit. Real slick. Just like the Architect.

    Both these parties have played dirty.

    And McCain is a bad president because he voted with Bush so often, and picked a bullshit VP, not because he's old, disgustingly rich, and out of touch with the American people.
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    Sebelius was on the short list of candidates for the VP. She is often mentioned nowadays as a potential "October Surprise" when Obama realizes the trouble his campaign may be in.

    I'm not aware of anyone tied to the McCain referring to Michelle Obama as his "baby mama". They've been very critical of her because of things she'd said but not for that. Besides, If conservatives are as out of touch as the liberals say they are, how we they even know the meaning of the term in the first place?

    The Osama refence is uncalled for, but I'm not aware of anyone saying Obama shared his views, like the Spanish ad did to McCain. On top of which, the facts were wrong in the ad, as Miss_L noted. And the ad was followed by the usual " I'm Barack Obama and I approve this ad".

    Oh, and McCain was in the bottom 5 Republicans in terms of voting with Bush. Even Biden voted with Bush half the time.
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    Well...the bottom five is still 90% - per McCains own words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Sebelius was on the short list of candidates for the VP. She is often mentioned nowadays as a potential "October Surprise" when Obama realizes the trouble his campaign may be in.

    I'm not aware of anyone tied to the McCain referring to Michelle Obama as his "baby mama". They've been very critical of her because of things she'd said but not for that. Besides, If conservatives are as out of touch as the liberals say they are, how we they even know the meaning of the term in the first place?

    The Osama refence is uncalled for, but I'm not aware of anyone saying Obama shared his views, like the Spanish ad did to McCain. On top of which, the facts were wrong in the ad, as Miss_L noted. And the ad was followed by the usual " I'm Barack Obama and I approve this ad".

    Oh, and McCain was in the bottom 5 Republicans in terms of voting with Bush. Even Biden voted with Bush half the time.
    And that makes her an insider how?

    If you missed that whole baby mama thing, here ya go:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvZEZL2LmA8

    And conservatives love researching and critiquing black/ethnic culture, like rap music, so OF COURSE they know the words "baby mama". Don't play like you don't know that.

    And that's cute how you tried to just brush past the "Osama" debacle. Nice.

    The second link didn't work, so I didn't comment on that.

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    Well...the bottom five is still 90% - per McCains own words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francescadubois;1714958If you missed that whole baby mama thing, here ya go:

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    The only mention of "Baby Mama" was in the caption put there by YouTube. It was not credited to any member of McCain's campaign, the Republican Party, or the staff of Fox News. Nice try, thouugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by francescadubois View Post
    And conservatives love researching and critiquing black/ethnic culture, like rap music, so OF COURSE they know the words "baby mama". Don't play like you don't know that.
    And you know this because ??? of your research into conservative culture?

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    And that's cute how you tried to just brush past the "Osama" debacle. Nice.
    I didn't try to brush by it. I said it was uncalled for but you didn't even tell me who said it. I don't recall hearing it but i wouldn't be surprised. After all, Biden called McCain "George McCain" and laughed about it. Not much different, except in Biden's case it's Ok because he's a lib.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    And you know this because ??? of your research into conservative culture?
    All you have to do is watch something like the news and you'll see stodgey conservative perk up when they say things like "bling" or "baby mama."

    And personally I feel some Democrats are uncomfortable with having a black President -- hence they're switch to vote Republican. This isn't in every case, but I honestly feel it's the case in many instances.

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    I have a good friend who lives in Columbia, South Carolina. He hears people saying they won't vote for Obama because he is black at his work all the time.

    On the other hand, South Carolina would not vote Democratic anyway.


    That is just one more reason I think Obama would be a good President. It would force this country to grow in so many ways.....even socially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmeerah View Post
    All you have to do is watch something like the news and you'll see stodgey conservative perk up when they say things like "bling" or "baby mama."

    And personally I feel some Democrats are uncomfortable with having a black President -- hence they're switch to vote Republican. This isn't in every case, but I honestly feel it's the case in many instances.
    I think you are imagining this 'bling" or 'baby mama" thing. I've never noticed it, but then I wouldn't consider myself a stodgey conservative.

    On the second point you are right. Some won't vote for him because he is black, but some will vote for him for that very same reason as well. Some will not vote for him because he snubbed Hillary. I will not vote for him because i believe he is on the wrong side of every issue and is an empty suit.

    I do think his campaign has been far more guilty of trying to use his race to his advantage than the Republicans have been of using his race to his disadvantage.
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    Obama's race is probably a wash. He'll get as many votes because of his race as he will lose.

    Both sides have demonstrated carelessness and insensitivity. McCain's "town hall" suggestion looks better and better all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    I think you are imagining this 'bling" or 'baby mama" thing. I've never noticed it, but then I wouldn't consider myself a stodgey conservative.
    I was really trying to stay out of these threads, but you leave me no choice BEM! Here is the "baby momma" link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_106655.html







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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    The only mention of "Baby Mama" was in the caption put there by YouTube. It was not credited to any member of McCain's campaign, the Republican Party, or the staff of Fox News. Nice try, thouugh.



    And you know this because ??? of your research into conservative culture?



    I didn't try to brush by it. I said it was uncalled for but you didn't even tell me who said it. I don't recall hearing it but i wouldn't be surprised. After all, Biden called McCain "George McCain" and laughed about it. Not much different, except in Biden's case it's Ok because he's a lib.
    You OBVIOUSLY didn't look at the video. THE FOX NEWS CAPTION SAYS, "OUTRAGED LIBERALS: STOP PICKING ON OBAMA'S BABY MAMA!!" Nice try, my ass. Maybe you should pay better attention.

    Also, I was RAISED in conservative culture, so yeah, it IS one of the reasons I know about it. I know it because conservatives like Bill O' Reilly has targeted rappers (before you get any ideas, I hate rap music) and made comments about being surprised that a black restaurant was like any other restaurant and that "there wasn't any kind of craziness at all" during his dinner with Sharpton: "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M.F.-er, I want more iced tea.' "

    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    I think you are imagining this 'bling" or 'baby mama" thing.
    No, no one is making it up. You are just so busy trying to be a smug asshole that you can't concede a point, even though I just gave you evidence to it. Seriously, if you're not here to at least be OPEN about other platforms, then stop posting.

    Wait a minute...

    Are you sh0t?
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    Obama is playing right along with the Saul Alinsky playbook of creating enemies, smearing them and then trying to convince the populace that that enemy is their enemy also.

    So much for being a new type of politician.
    circling back on topic ...

    (snip)"The Most Hateful Ad Ever?

    Barack Obama's thuggish campaign has exceeded itself with a Spanish-language ad that is dishonest at several levels. ABC's Jake Tapper blows the whistle:

    Sen. Barack Obama has launched a new Spanish-language TV ad that seeks to paint Sen. John McCain as anti-immigrant, even tying the Republican to his longtime conservative talk-radio nemesis Rush Limbaugh.
    As first reported by the Washington Post, Obama's ad features a narrator saying: "They want us to forget the insults we've put up with...the intolerance...they made us feel marginalized in this country we love so much."

    The screen then shows these two quotes from Limbaugh:

    "...stupid and unskilled Mexicans."
    --Rush Limbaugh

    "You shut your mouth or you get out!"
    --Rush Limbaugh

    The narrator then says, "John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that says lies just to get our vote...and another, even worse, that continues the policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families. John McCain...more of the same old Republican tricks."


    I don't think I've ever seen a more deeply contemptible political ad. Apart from the fact that the ad slanders Rush Limbaugh--the second statement, for example, describes Mexico's immigration policy--Limbaugh and McCain were opponents on the subject of immigration.

    McCain's stance on immigration, more than anything else, alienated him from his party's conservative base, precisely because he put the interests of illegal immigrants ahead of a commitment to enforce our laws. McCain's position on illegal immigration, rightly or wrongly, is the opposite of Limbaugh's--as, for that matter, is that of President Bush, whom the ad casually maligns.

    In the mainstream media, the last week has been consumed by tut-tutting over the supposed "lies" perpetrated by two McCain ads--which, however, were inconveniently true. It will be interesting to see how liberal pundits react to what must be the most dishonest, racist and hateful campaign ad published in many years."(snip)

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    also

    (snip)"The Obama campaign also provided a number of seemingly conflicting comments McCain has made about offering greater funding for education programs in the No Child Left Behind act -- telling the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials in June that he “would fully fund those programs that have never been fully funded,” while not suggesting any greater funding for the bill when he’s talked about education in front of whiter audiences.

    That ignores the fact that McCain has suggested reallocating the way the $23 billion for NCLB is spent.

    McCain has changed his rhetoric and his emphasis when discussing immigration after almost losing the GOP presidential nomination because of it.

    He now says the borders must be secured before anything else happens. And in that, he’s opened himself up to charges of flip-flopping, though the Obama campaign is quoting him selectively and unfairly to make their points.

    The greater implication the ad makes, however, is that McCain is no friend to Latinos at all, beyond issues of funding the DREAM act or how NCLB money is distributed. By linking McCain to Limbaugh’s quotes, twisting Limbaugh’s quotes, and tying McCain to more extremist anti-immigration voices, the Obama campaign has crossed a line into misleading the viewers of its new TV ad. In Spanish, the word is erróneo."(snip)

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    a few members of the 'tin foil hat' crowd are also pointing out that, except for the skin colors being reversed, Obama's campaign presentation to black and hispanic voters is beginning to resemble an early 50's Robert Byrd campaign presentation to white voters !

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    McCain may be a friend of Latinos and immigrants personally but he certainly did not sound that way during the primaries when besieged by the anti immigrant lunatic fringe of the his party. I remember in the debates I could not see the difference between Tancredo and McCain on this issue so much to the point that McCain said he would not vote for his own amnesty if that bill came up again. He modified his position to securing the border before amnesty and is now modifying his positions again that he has won the nomination he telling Spanish speakers he supports his old bill and that Obama killed it. The funny thing is these ads are in Spanish, is the McCain campaign trying to hide something from the non Spanish speakers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Well, the inference is that if you're not voting for Obama, you must be racist. They are playing to white guilt, essentially telling them that voting for Obama will prove thy're not racist.
    So is this anything like the Republicans saying after 9/11, Vote for us if your Patriotic, if not, your anti-american???

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Real View Post
    So is this anything like the Republicans saying after 9/11, Vote for us if your Patriotic, if not, your anti-american???
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    Look around at how business has fallen off.........Look at our economy.......and for those of you old enough and blessed enough to travel... look at our standing in the world.

    We can't afford to be fooled by the power-brokers again.
    They blew it on Iraq, blew it on the economy.....and in that old great American tradition, we should throw the bums out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red23 View Post
    Look around at how business has fallen off.........Look at our economy.......and for those of you old enough and blessed enough to travel... look at our standing in the world.

    We can't afford to be fooled by the power-brokers again.
    They blew it on Iraq, blew it on the economy.....and in that old great American tradition, we should throw the bums out.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFXJzLciV2M



    I love Rachel Maddow...So happy she got a primestime show. She can kick some lying Republican ass.

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