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    Okay, so I just noticed this. Living in a Floridian tourist town, I still make good money of course...

    I'd say a good 3/4 of my income is from minority groups. I impressed a group of Japanese men with my phrases. My one regular is Indian, and we can have very intelligent conversations because I know a lot about his culture. The Mexicans regularly buy dances from me. If a white guy is into me, he'll reveal to me minutes later that he grew up in Germany or was raised in a Puerto Rican family or something. It's crazy.

    But when it's slow for some reason, what about the white men? You know, the typical 40-50 year old strip club guy. I know it's not even how I act, because sometimes they'll reject me before I even say anything. I try not to dress in any one genre (I have a little bit of everything), so I don't think it's my appearance.

    I'm not too worried about it since we have such a diverse group, but I know it's good to appeal to every group. Any suggestions?
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    Jeeze. So many variables. Hmmm..... Do you happen to notice who these guys ARE buying dances from?

    At least that might narrow down the options maybe.
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    Since older white males are my main customers, I'll share my suggestions....

    * Act submissive (his wife might be busting his balls at home)

    * Be empathetic (Anglican culture discourages men from opening up to others- he probably rarely finds an open ear and a caring voice.)

    * Some Alpha male "Anglo" men DO want a dominant woman, but figure it out first before you use that hustle. Some men absolutely will not stand for it and it turns them off cold.

    The OP may remind these guys of their daughters or younger female relatives- I know we demonize men and assume the worst about their desires, but sometimes a resemblance to someone they cherish in a non-sexual way just kills the experience for them.

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    whats your ethnic background?

    I dance in fl too and my main customers are 40-50 year old white guys... and I look hispanic. I agree that maybe you should look to see who they are buying dances from and see how your look differs from theirs.

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    Bianca O.... that is some pretty cool advice. I will have to try it.
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    One way a white woman might be able to get business from a white male who doesn't normally go for her is to rock the "white Exotic" look- dark hair or an elaborate hairstyle, dark, dramatic makeup, and a mysterious, dignified air (think Theda Bara or Louise Brooks.)

    This whole thread makes me think of the movie "Dances With Wolves" ("Tatonka!") When the Native Americans are observing Kevin Costner's character from a distance.
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    honestly it may be how short your hair is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianca O'Blivion View Post
    Since older white males are my main customers, I'll share my suggestions....

    * Act submissive (his wife might be busting his balls at home)

    * Be empathetic (Anglican culture discourages men from opening up to others- he probably rarely finds an open ear and a caring voice.)

    * Some Alpha male "Anglo" men DO want a dominant woman, but figure it out first before you use that hustle. Some men absolutely will not stand for it and it turns them off cold.

    The OP may remind these guys of their daughters or younger female relatives- I know we demonize men and assume the worst about their desires, but sometimes a resemblance to someone they cherish in a non-sexual way just kills the experience for them.
    That last part really makes sense. I mean, I know my own father is 50. I'm 19, and while I don't look super-duper young, I'm sure my age is still obvious.

    I'm not sure who they buy dances from (I try to stay busy enough that I don't have time to observe), but my guess would be a blonde in late 20's, early 30's... I know everyone has a type, but there must be a way to still appeal to them.

    By the way, I'm pretty much white, though I do have a somewhat exotic appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianca O'Blivion View Post
    One way white women might be able to get business from a white male who doesn't normally go for her is to rock the "white Exotic" look- dark hair or an elaborate hairstyle, dark, dramatic makeup, and a mysterious, dignified air (think Theda Bara or Louise Brooks.)

    This whole thread makes me think of the movie "Dances With Wolves" ("Tatonka!") When the Native Americans are observing Kevin Costner's character from a distance.
    Awe, this is totally me too! This is exactly the look I go for.

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    Keep in mind some men (of any color) cannot be sold on you right away....IMO it's a dominance thing, that they'll have a dance when THEY'RE ready to/ feel like they've "broken you down" (humbled you by saying "no.") My last sugar daddy was this type of man & he confessed he was obsessed with me after he saw me hunch my shoulders in a submissive stance. That was *one* gesture that got him.

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    3/4 of my clientele are white guys....but since I'm black, for me it's all about them trying to live out their chocolate fantasy. However, IMO they usually want you to be the submissive type or be the complete opposite and dominate them. That's an individual preference however and you'll have to play it both ways to see which works.

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    This thread is so funny to me. I now live in a predominantly Caucasian part of the US so thinking of white males as a curious specimen *just*makes*me*laugh.

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    Well, I'd say a little over half of the customers here are white. It's not that they're not around, I just can't appeal to them. (My boyfriend is Native American, I feel like he rubs off of me, always referring to 'our type' as the 'white man'. )

    Okay, so either be super dominate or super submissive? I'll try both and let you know how it goes. I feel like I intimidate them with my appearance, so maybe I'll wear a simple neon outfit instead of my garter sets, chaps, or punk outfits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianca O'Blivion View Post
    One way a white woman might be able to get business from a white male who doesn't normally go for her is to rock the "white Exotic" look- dark hair or an elaborate hairstyle, dark, dramatic makeup, and a mysterious, dignified air (think Theda Bara or Louise Brooks.)
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    I don't mean this in an offensive way but....

    I come from a rather racist part of the country. If the white guys see me sitting with other races they won't spend money on me because they believe that's what I'm into. I usually choose customers based on how they interact with me. I love the look-away. (Where he is looking at me, but the moment I look him in the eye he looks away) That's a guy who is checking everything out. He is obviously looking to to spend some money and I have caught his eye.

    I can't recommend acting one way or another. I try to tailor my approach to the guy. I'll ask him some basic questions and get him talking about himself or his interests. Then I'll act completely involved in everything he's saying. I find white guys want to be appreciated. Make them feel like "the man".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichelleJade View Post

    But when it's slow for some reason, what about the white men?
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    Since I dyed my hair nasty yellow-blonde [yes. On purpose. XDD] and shaved my hair into a mohawk... and started wearing BRIGHT makeup...
    White males 50+ suddenly can't get enough of me...
    Before that... they only seemed to like me when I had long hair. :|

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    Most of of my regular customers are 40-50 y o white men. I would play out 'being sweet and innocent on the outside but kinky on the inside' thing. I would be kind of 'shy' but have flirty body language. I would take his hand in my hand or would start playing with his tie but not in a slutty way if it makes sense. Be affectionate but not aggressive. Of course it depends but it works for me. Sometimes they open up and confide in you and I act interested, nod and make comments. Make them feel like they matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butrcup98 View Post
    I don't mean this in an offensive way but....

    I come from a rather racist part of the country. If the white guys see me sitting with other races they won't spend money on me because they believe that's what I'm into. I usually choose customers based on how they interact with me. I love the look-away. (Where he is looking at me, but the moment I look him in the eye he looks away) That's a guy who is checking everything out. He is obviously looking to to spend some money and I have caught his eye.

    I can't recommend acting one way or another. I try to tailor my approach to the guy. I'll ask him some basic questions and get him talking about himself or his interests. Then I'll act completely involved in everything he's saying. I find white guys want to be appreciated. Make them feel like "the man".
    That's actually pretty interesting. I'm always blown away by what guys notice. I have customers constantly say stuff like, "you only like older guys", or "you always go sit with the guys who wear ties" stupid shit like that. I want to scream, "I sit with the guys who spend money on me, you fucking idiot" My customer base is mostly white and mostly older white dudes. I'm wondering though if maybe you approach the guys of other nationalities first and then the white guys maybe really do think you're not into them?? I mean, it's stupid, but then again...so are a lot of customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by holiday View Post
    That's actually pretty interesting. I'm always blown away by what guys notice.
    I'm wondering though if maybe you approach the guys of other nationalities first and then the white guys maybe really do think you're not into them??

    I mean, it's stupid, but then again...so are a lot of customers.


    This is a very valid observation, I can only share my opinion. In my past experience, customers who exhibit jealousy over their favored dancer approaching someone else first are often not looking to spend a lot (in one night or over time) and are probably just projecting a feeling of jealousy and inadequacy. Feelings about race might be a tiny part of it...overall though, whenever a customer has said something to me along these lines, he was a waste of my time anyways.

    I can't offer too much help here since men of color and other nationalities often ignore me, given my appearance.

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    This is a great question I think im going to start my own thread about black women appealing to white men.
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    So, today I made $170 off of a total white guy! Go me!!

    Okay, the sweet thing didn't work. I mean, to a point it does, but I found once I was a little more dynamic and aggressive it seemed to work better. I also tried my best to dumb myself down a bit more and go easy on the makeup/hair so I wasn't too intimidating.

    I don't know, it feels more like luck to me though... seemed like most girls weren't making anything.
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