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    It really pisses me off how in most clubs, the manager is male. the dj is male. all the bouncers are male. sometimes, the bartenders are male. It seems like everyone you have to answer to and pay out is male, and it really pisses me off.

    We had a club meeting tonight and in response to my suggestion of allowing girls that come in at 7 to leave at 2 to not have to pay the 75 dollar fine for leaving early because a nine hour shift is VERY long (wouldn't you agree??) The longest shift I've worked is 8 hours, but honestly anything after 6 hours is a waste of time. It might be different for other dancers, but for me dancing is extremely taxing on my body and emotions and my ideal length of working is 6 hours (10pm-4am, or at my previous club- 8pm-2am)... NOT 9 hours from 7-4. When I brought this point up in the meeting this 5'6 shrimp of a bouncer says "well I work 10 hours a day, 9 hours is nothing you should be fine". He works at fucking Whole foods making burritos and sandwiches. I've worked in the foodservice industry, it is NOT as physically and mentally taxing. I would say 6 hours of dancing is equivalent to TWELVE hours of serving sandwiches at wholefoods. give me a fucking break. Some of the dancers even said that nine hours is fine and anyone should be able to do it, bragging that they work 9 hour shifts 4 days in a row... OF COURSE THEY CAN DO IT BECAUSE THEY DO COKE !!!!!! I COULD work 9 hour shifts 4 days a week if i wanted to be a physical and emotional wreck, but part of the great thing of being a dancer is that you can choose to not work long shifts and consecutive days in favor of your personal sanity and health....

    The only service industry job that I can see might be almost equal to how emotionally and physically taxing stripping is is waitressing in a high-volume fine dining restaurant with asshole customers... but even then- you're not getting naked and wearing 7 inch heels.

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    i agree that 9 hours is too long. My club requires that I work a min. of 8 hours and it tires me out. I couldn't do it for more than 3 times a week... the club environment really takes a toll on my body.
    But.... working in the food industry isn't all that easy. At least with dancing, I can take a break whenever I feel it... eat a meal whenever I feel like it.. and pace myself.
    either way, that's messed up they didn't even consider your suggestion. It sounds reasonable to me.

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    Wow... my club *has* to let us go if we ask after 6 hours. I can't even imagine having to pay a fine for working a *longer than standard* workday...
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    I hate it when the staff and management is male dominated, because it seems like they are just another customer out to abuse us - except they're our bosses and can tell us when to come and go, what we have the right to do and not do.

    Like when I got my nipple bit at my old club and the male managers and male bouncers basically told me to get over it or quit. It was like they were secretly high fiving the guy who assaulted me.

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    I think the $75 fine is a bit shitty but I don't think 9 hours is 'extremely' long. I find 9 hour shifts average.


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    ^^^

    Yeah, ditto. When I was in college I couldn't work during the week so I worked 2 13 hour shifts, back to back each week...

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    when I start college and can't work 4x a week i'll probably do two 9 hour shifts back to back (fri/sat).... but for now, i'd rather work 4-6 hour shifts.
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    ^^^

    totally I was just messing around. They shouldnt be able to keep you for longer than that for reals. My club does the same thing tho sucks. You can get there from 7 to 9 but you still have to stay til 3 am no matter when you show up. I get there at nine.
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    While I sympathize with you, kiera. I do not think that the clubs policy is a direct result of male domination.

    Some male managed clubs are very flexible with scheduling.
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    It really depends on the club as to how long I can work. Some clubs I'm exhausted after6 or 7 hours, some I can work 12 hours no sweat. I used to do three hours of topless waitressing and then do a ten hour shift after it, but if you asked me to work ten hours in the club I work now, I would pretty much collapse in a heap.

    I've never been foturnate enough to work in a club where you can work for like 4 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keira0304 View Post
    Some of the dancers even said that nine hours is fine and anyone should be able to do it, bragging that they work 9 hour shifts 4 days in a row... OF COURSE THEY CAN DO IT BECAUSE THEY DO COKE !!!!!!
    This kind of offended me. I don't do drugs, don't drink...and I work 9-10 hour shifts dancing, 3-4 days in a row. It's not because I have to - it is because I want to. I get bored easily, and if you come in early, the early guys generally tip better and buy more dances than the guys who come in already drunk. Plus, we get paid hourly if we come in before 10pm, plus tips, so I don't mind getting more money off the club.
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    Wow 9 hrs?? 6 is my max these days, but i usually only work 4 hours. The bouncer sounds like a chauvinistic pig. There's no comparison between his pathetic day job and dancing. I would have told him it's not my problem he has to work 9 hours a day, become a dancer then you won't have to. Come on our job is emotionally draining, we're therapists, a dominatrix, innocent school girl basically one hell of an actress in 7 inch stilettos that we make look graceful prancing around an unforgiving, slick stage.

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    lol^ I most certainly did NOT have an attitude when I suggested the 75 dollar fine be lifted for girls who come in EARLY and don't want to stay until 4 in the morning. My attitude is NOT the problem.

    I can't drink redbull. I'm extremely sensitive to caffeine. Wish I could though.

    eh... and my rants about clubs being male dominated the the 9 hour shifts are separate and unrelated... obviously. I just didn't want to start two threads.
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    OMG, in my city it's 4-5 hour minimums with regular house fee
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    I agree with you that the fine should be lifted if you have stayed for 9 hours. I am used to working 3-4 hours per shift, anything longer that is a waste of my time since at my club it doesn't get busy/people start spending real money until about 12-1 a.m. and the club closes at 4. I make much more money when I come in later then when I come in at 6, sit around all night and get rejected and discouraged by guys who "just got there" and "aren't ready for a dance yet" lol. 9 hours would seem like eternity to me.

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    It all depends on the club,on the shift,on the weekday,etc,etc.Some clubs 4 hours and you're tired,and some,you do a very long double and you're OK.

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    I work 9 and 10 hour shifts every weekend and I do not take coke or any other illegal substances thank-you very much. Yeah it's hard but u get used to it.
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    I think the point is, that within reason, when you want to leave you should be able to leave.

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    I don't get why they wouldn't let you leave as long as you paid house. At one of my clubs we worked 7-4, but could leave anytime as long as we paid house. I wish more clubs hired women management. I used to get mad when one club bypassed a longtime female bartender for manager for a male who had no experience (he quit within a week). At the same club all the women worked strictly for tips (dancers, waitresses, bartender etc), but all the men were paid (dj, bouncer, manager). Yet at the same club all dancers, waitresses, and bartenders had to tip the bouncers, and managers (and dancers had to tip djs). I always thought this club was definitely a sexist club.

    Something else mentioned kind of disturbed me. What kind of club is only hiring a man 5'6? How can a shrimp help bounce? Sounds stupid, but I want a large bouncer. I want a guy over 6feet tall and built. When I hired bouncers I hired these guys. I never hired short guys, skinny guys or anyone like them.

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    i miss having female managers. at the time i only worked like 6 hour shifts and she never took shit from any of the guys that came in who had the "im the shit and i will do whatever i want because i have money" mentality.

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    Keira, it is possible to dance that much. I did it for years. Seriously.

    My regular schedule was a 60 hour work week, with Sundays off. On Sundays I'd drive to my next club because I was a traveling dancer. I'd also have to stop to do my laundry and grocery shopping sometime along the way. I've never done coke or meth or crack or any of that junk.

    Only caffeine and ephedra. I was working that kind of schedule between the ages of 30-34. I slowed down a bit after I got my boobs when I was almost 35.

    I also want to add that I'm not unusual in working that kind of schedule. I knew dozens of girls doing the same thing. Most were drug/ alcohol free. Heck, you almost have to be drug free to maintain that kind of schedule. You've really got to watch what you eat, drink plenty of water, and force yourself to go to bed.

    I believe this kind of discipline and level of organization is learned. You've got to practice at it, a lot! If you've never had to maintain that kind of rigorous schedule before, it will feel overwhelming. I'm applying this same kind of discipline to my life today. I am taking 15 credits this quarter and working full time. I also volunteer on a government affairs committee as well as care for my family and household.

    Now that I think about it, I've got to go! LOL! I was reading SW while baking chicken for dinner, but now I've got some errands to run before my husband gets home from work. I've got some video game time penned into my schedule for after dinner, then homework, laundry, TV and bed.

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    I don't mind male management and staff. We have all female bartenders/waitresses which is great. I supposed having male bartenders might seem a bit weird to me.

    As for managers, as long as they aren't bone-headed, I like the fact that they are there as the few men who, if they're doing their job right, aren't pestering dancers for sex or being completely unreasonable. I don't think they've ever been perfect nor agreed with every decision or judgment they made but I don't fault their being male for it.

    I would imagine I'd have a bit more concern about female managers just because some women are prone to being passive aggressive or hold grudges and that's no fun to be on the receiving end of! In my experience men tend to be pretty blunt and straightforward. I prefer that communication style in most people; men just 'get away' with it more in our society.

    Keira, I would suggest approaching management on an individual level and asking for shorter shifts solely for yourself. They may have said no outright to having all dancers be able to leave early simply because of the varying levels of stability and work ethic amongst the house dancers.
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    I used to do nine hours at my old club. It sucked, but I always brought a book to read, and was allowed to lie on the comfy couches while I waited for people to come in when it was dead. I definitely like my 7-8hr shifts better. Plus, we can leave early if something comes up (not feeling good, bad mood, etc).

    My club is really good about that.

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    That sounds terrible. No way in hell could I do a 9 hour shift regularly. The most I've done was 11 and it really took a toll on my body. But most of that day I worked with only 1 other girl, so I was on stage half the time. Ouch! By the last few stages of the night, I was so hurt and exhausted I literally had to hold onto the pole because I was so dizzy and exhausted I was afraid I would fall if I let go.

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    my average shift used to be 7 - 8 hours, but every now and then that would be extended to 9 hours and i have been known to work 13 hour shifts before. It is tiring - i am allergic to Red Bull and energy drinks - but i never took drugs, just made sure i took time out when i needed it, kept hydrated and maintained a positive mindset. Having to pay a fine does suck, but some clubs are fine happy and it is just a way for them to make more money out of you. Perhaps if you talk to some of the other girls and come up with a reasonable proposition management may compromise with you.

    I used to work at a club that had female managers and i have to say it was lovely - they had been dancers themselves so understood exactly the deal, were sympathetic and reasonable. Even if clubs are owned by men, it would be wise to employ more female managers.

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