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    I just received this PM on another forum I visit

    "you are obvioulsy not aware that the prositution laws in victoria are changeing and everything youve written about services you will be provideing at crazy horse can have you prosecuted and our club shut down ,if you are smart you will remove this a.s.a.p .also 40$ gets the customer 1 15 minute full strip which is cheaper then you can get any where in this city when you realise that your only getting 15$ of the 40$ for your dance maybe you wont think the mastrubation fee is a rip off . Advertising anything free that your colleagues charge for wont make you freinds at work.
    good luck in the future hopefully you will take my advice"

    After posting this :"I work here when Im in Melbourne (next trip is incognito, since Ive put on weight, and dont want my favs seeing me so fat)
    Generally the basic strip ($40 at counter) wont get you much.
    The extras USUALLY offered include above the waist touching, toy show, xxx, lapdance, and USUALLY cost around $30 each. Some girls will charge the punter and allow him to 'relieve' himself, but I never do.
    A few girls there have bragged about new custies not know there is extra charges, and ripping them off (100 for a legs closed lapdance!) so just say that you havent been there for awhile."

    Now as far as Im aware the state has LEGAL brothels, some of the stripclubs allow touching, and private dancers do toy shows all the time.

    So this is just someone trying to intimidate me, right?
    Theres no sense crying over every mistake,
    you just keep on trying till you run out of cake

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    I dont know a lot but I think the peeps have very different rules than the table top clubs. kittens is the only club that officially allows touching in melbourne out of the well known clubs.

    private party dancers can use toys legally.
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    I did actually read the victorian prostitution act once many years ago, and there are some strange things in it, for instance masturbation (paid) by either party isn't prostitution but if any part of your body is touching the client (yes even a toe) it suddenly IS!!!

    Oh and another cracker was that anyform of exchange of money/goods for a sexual service is considered prostitution. Which pretty much means any female that has felt obliged to "put out" after dinner or drinks paid for by the fella is technically a prostitute. (he he wouldn't that be a funny trick to pull on a fella that whines about how much they spent on a date and you won't give them an expected root. "I'm an undercover policewoman and are you aware that by expecting sexual services in payment for a meal is endorsing prostitution? I'm sorry sir you are now under arrest" ha ha.
    I'm dreaming.

    I can't really remember all of the details but maybe you could look it up if it is concerning you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanafox View Post
    I did actually read the victorian prostitution act once many years ago, and there are some strange things in it, for instance masturbation (paid) by either party isn't prostitution but if any part of your body is touching the client (yes even a toe) it suddenly IS!!!

    Oh and another cracker was that anyform of exchange of money/goods for a sexual service is considered prostitution. Which pretty much means any female that has felt obliged to "put out" after dinner or drinks paid for by the fella is technically a prostitute. (he he wouldn't that be a funny trick to pull on a fella that whines about how much they spent on a date and you won't give them an expected root. "I'm an undercover policewoman and are you aware that by expecting sexual services in payment for a meal is endorsing prostitution? I'm sorry sir you are now under arrest" ha ha.
    I'm dreaming.

    I can't really remember all of the details but maybe you could look it up if it is concerning you?
    sorry but your interpretation of the law is incorrect. simply reading a provision as a lay person might seem straight forward but u have to understand how courts interpret provisions and also have a background knowledge of relevant case law precedent. no woman who goes out for dinner with a man and then sleeps with him will ever be charged with prostitition, there is no contract for sexual services.
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    when regulars turn cheap, it's time to kill em off.
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    You're still a vagina.
    There are many stereotypes about the industry that I work in. Sometimes they can be true but human beings are very diverse creatures and cannot be pigeon-holed into one category.

    Some of the most effortlessly beautiful, kind, intelligent, successful, motivated, driven and ridiculously hilarious women that I have ever met have been dancers. I've met the best friends that I've ever had in this industry.

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    Default Re: Intimidation at work

    I'm not familiar with the case law as to the point, but I do know that toy shows constitute prostitution under the Victorian Prostitution Control Act if self-penetration is involved. Just licking a sex toy or simulating penetration, however, would not be caught.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...994295/s3.html


    prostitution means the provision by one person to or for another person
    (whether or not of a different sex) of sexual services in return for payment
    or reward;

    sexual penetration has the same meaning as in Subdivisions (8A) to (8G) of
    Division 1 of Part I of the Crimes Act 1958;

    sexual services includes-

    (a) taking part with another person in an act of sexual penetration; and

    (b) masturbating another person; and

    (c) permitting one or more other persons to view any of the following
    occurring in their presence-

    (i) two or more persons taking part in an act of sexual penetration;

    (ii) a person introducing (to any extent) an object or a part of their body
    into their own vagina or anus;

    (iii) a person masturbating himself or herself or two or more persons
    masturbating themselves or each other or one or more of them- in
    circumstances in which-

    (iv) there is any form of direct physical contact between any person
    viewing the occurrence and any person taking part in the occurrence;
    or

    (v) any person viewing the occurrence is permitted or encouraged to
    masturbate himself or herself while viewing- and, for the purposes of
    this definition, a person may be regarded as being masturbated whether
    or not the genital part of his or her body is clothed or the
    masturbation results in orgasm;


    vagina includes-

    (a) the external genitalia; and

    (b) a surgically constructed vagina.



    Crimes Act 1958: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...95882/s35.html

    sexual penetration means-

    (a) the introduction (to any extent) by a person of his penis into the
    vagina, anus or mouth of another person, whether or not there is
    emission of semen; or

    (b) the introduction (to any extent) by a person of an object or a part of
    his or her body (other than the penis) into the vagina or anus of
    another person, other than in the course of a procedure carried out in
    good faith for medical or hygienic purposes;




    Touching above the waist is not prostitution, as the breasts are not defined as a genital area. Also, while prostitution is legal here, it is quite heavily regulated and involves a system of licensing. Performing acts defined as prostitution without obtaining a PCA number and meeting a number of conditions such as regular STD testing is illegal prostitution.


    EDIT- The fact that Club X routinely breach state law is well-known, including to police. You aren't putting anyone in any strife.
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    Default Re: Intimidation at work

    ^^
    yes it is considered prostitution but the person was arguing that celeste was breaking the law which is not true because in certain venues such as crazy horse those shows are allowed under their licence.
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    Some of the most effortlessly beautiful, kind, intelligent, successful, motivated, driven and ridiculously hilarious women that I have ever met have been dancers. I've met the best friends that I've ever had in this industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    ^^
    yes it is considered prostitution but the person was arguing that celeste was breaking the law which is not true because in certain venues such as crazy horse those shows are allowed under their licence.
    I have heard that Club X shows are performed illegally, and that their license conditions do not make provision for an exemption under the Prostitution Control Act. However, not having seen their license, I can't confirm this, though I have heard it from more dancers than I can count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    I have heard that Club X shows are performed illegally, and that their license conditions do not make provision for an exemption under the Prostitution Control Act. However, not having seen their license, I can't confirm this, though I have heard it from more dancers than I can count.
    really? must be one of those things that just goes by.......hmmm maybe some palms are being greased??
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    Some of the most effortlessly beautiful, kind, intelligent, successful, motivated, driven and ridiculously hilarious women that I have ever met have been dancers. I've met the best friends that I've ever had in this industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    really? must be one of those things that just goes by.......hmmm maybe some palms are being greased??
    That's the rumour.

    Though, I guess it is possible that they actually do have an exemption and the bribery talk is just baseless gossip.

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