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    Karthik Rajaram, 45, was found dead with a gun in hand by police officers

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    The man wrote in his suicide letter that he felt he had two options -- to just kill himself or to kill himself and his family -- and decided the second option was more honorable, Moore said.

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    Sad, just sad...

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    I imagine most murder-suicide perpetrators are actually born citizens, since most residents..y'know.. are.

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    What does this have to do with immigration? He killed his family and himself because he was an immigrant? How do you figure that?
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    Aside from Native Americans, you, like us, are a nation of immigrants in any event.

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    Is this man even an immigrant? Just because he doesn't have a typical Joe Sixpack name doesn't mean he is an immigrant. Plus being an immigrant has nothing to do with what he did. Saying it does just smacks of bigotry.

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    Deogol,
    I'm confused. The article didn't mention anything about the family being immigrants. Did I miss something?


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    This is pretty common among men that feel they are "saving" their families from humiliation by killing the whole family then killing themselves.

    Familicide info.

    I also didn't see anything indicating that the victims and killer were immigrants.


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    I went to school with a kid named Karthik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy in the Sky View Post
    Is this man even an immigrant? Just because he doesn't have a typical Joe Sixpack name doesn't mean he is an immigrant. Plus being an immigrant has nothing to do with what he did. Saying it does just smacks of bigotry.

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    So freaking sad that some asswipe felt he had the fucking right to kill his kids, because apparently his whole family was worth nothing without the "all-mighty father figure."

    I don't think it has a damn thing to do with his ethnicity or immigration status though. Fucked up assholes who are whitebread, born and raised here do this kind of thing all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    Aside from Native Americans, you, like us, are a nation of immigrants in any event.
    No. I was born here. I didn't immigrate here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    What does this have to do with immigration? He killed his family and himself because he was an immigrant? How do you figure that?
    Honor killing. Read the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy in the Sky View Post
    Is this man even an immigrant? Just because he doesn't have a typical Joe Sixpack name doesn't mean he is an immigrant. Plus being an immigrant has nothing to do with what he did. Saying it does just smacks of bigotry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    Honor killing. Read the article.
    Honor Killing. Read the definition.
    honor killing
    nounan ancient tradition still sometimes observed; a male member of the family kills a female relative for tarnishing the family image

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    I think the article said the Mother in law was from India, I personally assumed they were immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    Honor killing. Read the article.
    Americans don't do honor killing? Are you sure this only an immigrant thing? Other cultures don't have the monopoly on horrible things like murder suicide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    Just keep your eyes closed until your strip club gets burned down by the local vice and purity police.

    If that happens my money is on a bunch of white bread home grown joe sixpacks and hockey Mom types quoting their family Bible being the ones to strike the match.

    Seems to me that you just take issue with people of middle eastern decent in general and like to use them for scapegoats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    Honor killing. Read the article.
    Okay, so the word "honorable" appears in a man's suicide note, therefore that makes this an honor killing? Doesn't fit the definition, as no one in the family did anything to dishonor him. (May I also point out that three of the five victims were male).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

    The motive for this guy's actions isn't the least bit different from that of other distraught individuals, many of whom aren't of Middle Eastern or South Asian decent. What was Mark Barton's excuse? How about Chris Benoit's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    No. I was born here. I didn't immigrate here.
    The point is your ancestors were immigrants.Unless you are Native American..immigration made your life in america possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CKXXX View Post
    The point is your ancestors were immigrants.Unless you are Native American..immigration made your life in america possible.
    No. A rifle came with some of the more established parts of my family. They were not immigrants either. It doesn't take a whole lot of reading in history about what happens when one culture invades the lands of another.

    There are a lot of people coming into this country with some very different ideas about how life in America should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    Okay, so the word "honorable" appears in a man's suicide note, therefore that makes this an honor killing? Doesn't fit the definition, as no one in the family did anything to dishonor him. (May I also point out that three of the five victims were male).



    The motive for this guy's actions isn't the least bit different from that of other distraught individuals, many of whom aren't of Middle Eastern or South Asian decent. What was excuse? How about ?
    Did either Chris or Mark say it was more honorable for their families to be dead?

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    Here is an eerily similar case from 1971

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...l_of_john.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    Did either Chris or Mark say it was more honorable for their families to be dead?
    Chris Benoit left no suicide note. Here's a excerpt from Mark Barton's:

    http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/30/atlanta.shooting.06/

    "I have been dying since October," Barton wrote. He said he was "so terrified that I couldn't be that afraid while awake. It has taken its toll. I have come to hate this life in this system of things. I have come to have no hope."

    "I killed the children to exchange them for five minutes of pain, for a lifetime of pain. I forced myself to do it to keep them from suffering so much later. No mother, no father, no relatives."


    So I guess in his case, the answer is yes.

    I just can't understand how you looked past the larger portion of that article dealing with the family's financial problems to make a conclusion based on two words in it that have nothing to do with that. The word "honorable" and the guy's Indian surname.

    I mean, I don't even think Fox News would touch this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    Chris Benoit left no suicide note. Here's a excerpt from Mark Barton's:



    "I have been dying since October," Barton wrote. He said he was "so terrified that I couldn't be that afraid while awake. It has taken its toll. I have come to hate this life in this system of things. I have come to have no hope."

    "I killed the children to exchange them for five minutes of pain, for a lifetime of pain. I forced myself to do it to keep them from suffering so much later. No mother, no father, no relatives."


    So I guess in his case, the answer is yes.

    I just can't understand how you looked past the larger portion of that article dealing with the family's financial problems to make a conclusion based on two words in it that have nothing to do with that. The word "honorable" and the guy's Indian surname.

    I mean, I don't even think Fox News would touch this.
    I read that as protecting them from pain.

    Not from shame, which honor is associated with.

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