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    I wish Sean Hannity would go on vacation until after the election and take Rush Limbaugh and all the other Obama-bashers with him. We know about William Ayers and Reverend Wright and some of Obama's associations when he was coming up. So What ? Who Cares ? Just like most people knew Clinton was a skirt chasing vulgarian. IT'S THE ECONOMY DUMMIES !

    Just as Clinton was entitled to take credit for a healthy economy during most of his watch ( as did G.W. in '04 ) the Republicans are on the hook for the current mess. Right; wrong; fair or unfair. It's how the cards tumble.

    I don't mind policy critiques of Obama but this stuff of trying to paint him as some sort of wild eyed radical just because he knows and worked with Ayers is ridiculous. It's not like they went on vacation together. Ayers crimes are 40 - FORTY - 40 years old. Ayers is NOT running for President and Obama has condemned the bombings he committed. He's separated himself from Wright and there is NO VIDEO of him jumping up and applauding any of Wright's ravings. So I wish they'd give this stuff a rest.

    "Obama said we 'air-raided villages and bombed civilians" is one of Hannity's favorite rants. Well, the fact is we did. Not intentionally. We didn't deliberately target civilians but more than a few "innocent " civilians got killed as we went after terrorists. Obama didn't say we deliberately targeted civilians.

    Now Hannity and Rush are raving about Palin and McCain's debate performances.
    I'm a conservative and I think they both stunk. Palin bobbed and weaved around every question and was so poorly informed that she couldn't call Biden on a single one of his whoppers during the debate. ( The Washington Post awarded him Four "Pinocchios". ) McCain looked older than his years and was Borrrrrrring. He literally put me to sleep.

    On top of everything else, an Obama Presidency will be GREAT for Rush, Hannity, Ingraham and even O'Reilly so what are they complaining about ? There's at least four years of great material to look forward to. The ones who should worry are Stewart, Colbert, Maher, Letterman and especially Olberman.

    Afaic unless there is something like Obama being caught with a "dead woman or live boy" he's going to be the next President. Get used to it. Afaik, he has no plans to ( in the words of Adam Clayton Powell Jr.) "paint the White House half black".

    Obama is going to have to deal with the current mess and frankly I think he is better equipped. It doesn't matter who the President is when the same policies are required regardless of who sits in the Oval Office. He's more articulate than the current occupant ( talk about setting the bar low ) and McCain put together.
    He has a track record of being able to rally people behind him and appears to be smart enough to recognize and accept reality. He's already admitted that he might have to hold off on tax increases and his spending plans are just campaign puffery afaic. I can't believe he's serious when next year's deficit is going to be at least $500 billion and might even hit a trillion.
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    Wow...for once I agree with you!

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    I agree ES; a rare occurance.
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    Very good post.

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    Yep, I agree as well.

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    Who are you and what have you done with Eric Stoner?

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    People agree with someone they normally disagree with when he supports there opinion... shocking...

    I'd care more if Palin's daughters birth hadn't been torn apart in the media and by the average Obama fan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    People agree with someone they normally disagree with when he supports there opinion... shocking...

    I'd care more if Palin's daughters birth hadn't been torn apart in the media and by the average Obama fan...

    She had the baby? When? I thought she was due in January like me. That baby is VERY premature. I haven't heard anything about the birth good bad or indifferent from the media or Obama supporters. I need to stay up past 8 o'clock I guess.
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    I'd care more if Palin's daughters birth hadn't been torn apart in the media and by the average Obama fan
    The reason for that is that these conservatives spout thier "holier than thou" b.s. and try to enforce thier morality on everyone. So when there is a slip-up, it gets press.

    On a related note, I got sick last night watching Fox. How is it that when the McCain campaign desides it has to go negative a major news network can have literally hour after hour of coverage on the Obama "relationships" that were already covered months ago. What about independent media?. I know CNN is biased, but I've never seen anything like this in my life. They even had "Breaking News" streaming across the screen. I understand Fox is the propaganda wing of the Republican party, but this has to insult even stupid peoples intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Who are you and what have you done with Eric Stoner?
    I've repeatedly said that I am a Practical Realist. I have core values but I try not to let them get in the way of FACTS.

    I expected a Democrat President LAST YEAR. So long as it isn't Hillary, I'm a happy camper. That's why I forwarded as much income as I could into 2007 and started cashing out of the Stock Market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    People agree with someone they normally disagree with when he supports there opinion... shocking...
    pot...meet kettle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    She had the baby? When? I thought she was due in January like me. That baby is VERY premature. I haven't heard anything about the birth good bad or indifferent from the media or Obama supporters. I need to stay up past 8 o'clock I guess.
    I'm sorry, it was late and I was drinking... meant PREGNANCY, not birth. Apologies.

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    It's almost amusing but Rush and Sean are definitely in "panic mode". It's O.K. for people to say : "Barack Hussein Obama". That's the guy's name BUT to imply or say outright that he's a "Manchurian Candidate" for Muslim terrorists ? Come on guys ! You're making yourselves look silly and more than a little racist.

    I'm not making this up. Rush said it today on his show. I like Rush and enjoy his show but afaic that is way out of bounds.

    I hope Rush and Sean are properly medicated on Election Night. Otherwise they might stroke out or get suicidal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    I'm sorry, it was late and I was drinking... meant PREGNANCY, not birth. Apologies.

    Oh, thanks for the clarification. I looked for some information about the baby being born for awhile and I found nothing. I thought it was some kind of massive cover-up or something!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    It's almost amusing but Rush and Sean are definitely in "panic mode". It's O.K. for people to say : "Barack Hussein Obama". That's the guy's name BUT to imply or say outright that he's a "Manchurian Candidate" for Muslim terrorists ? Come on guys ! You're making yourselves look silly and more than a little racist.
    D'oh! What a stretch... Hussein + brown = Muslim? = TERRORIST!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    It's almost amusing but Rush and Sean are definitely in "panic mode". It's O.K. for people to say : "Barack Hussein Obama". That's the guy's name BUT to imply or say outright that he's a "Manchurian Candidate" for Muslim terrorists ? Come on guys ! You're making yourselves look silly and more than a little racist.

    I'm not making this up. Rush said it today on his show. I like Rush and enjoy his show but afaic that is way out of bounds.

    I hope Rush and Sean are properly medicated on Election Night. Otherwise they might stroke out or get suicidal.
    Oh, I don't know, an Obama victory would probably be good for their ratings. Hell, they'll probably even be voting for Obama so they can spew hate for the next 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Oh, I don't know, an Obama victory would probably be good for their ratings. Hell, they'll probably even be voting for Obama so they can spew hate for the next 4 years.
    I hate to say this but - You're right. Lately anyway. Usually it's Mark Levin going off the deep end while Rush uses satire and parody to mock Libs. Afaic, Hannity has always been a pompous ass.
    But this Obama campaign has ALL the right - wing radio hosts going NUTS ! There are plenty of substantive issues to critique- tax policy; defense policy; spending priorities but instead we get a steady diet of Ayers; ACORN and Reverend Wright.

    I'm starting to wonder how much it has to do with the fact that Obama is black.
    They're certainly making use of subliminal "code words". And btw, I've lost ALL respect for McCain. He was righteously angry for the vicious, filthy campaign Bush and Rove conducted in South Carolina in 2000 but now he's party to some of the same gutter tactics. Obama's right. Let McCain bring it up in one of the debates to Obama's face or leave it in the sewer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    I'm starting to wonder how much it has to do with the fact that Obama is black.
    A whole hell of a lot. Racism is alive and well in some people's hearts. It's a damn shame. Hopefully having Obama as president will do wonders for race relations in the years to come. I really want my kids growing up in country in which a black president isn't some crazy pipe dream. I'm surprised to possibly see it in my lifetime to be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    A whole hell of a lot. Racism is alive and well in some people's hearts. It's a damn shame. Hopefully having Obama as president will do wonders for race relations in the years to come. I really want my kids growing up in country in which a black president isn't some crazy pipe dream. I'm surprised to possibly see it in my lifetime to be honest.
    Yeah. They are trying to couch it in terms of Obama's "radical past; radical associations etc." but they're certainly appealing to those who just can't stomach the idea of a black man as President.

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    Well, as you probably know, "Muslim" is the new black in Obama's case at least.

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    It seems that McCain isn't real comfortable with much of the mudracking.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1223...googlenews_wsj

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    It seems that McCain isn't real comfortable with much of the mudracking.

    That is duplicity or double speak at best. McCain may not be responsible for hate and lies coming from the Limbaugh's and Hannity's of this world but he must take responsibility for that coming out of his campaign. It is Palin who accused Obama of palling around with terrorists, His campaign is running ads linking Obama to the weather underground never mind that he was 8 years old when this group was active and calling Obama "the one, that one, the antichrist, the devils spawn ".

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    forgive me for saying so, but the hypocracy on this issue is simply amazing ...



    (snip)"Addressing a large crowd behind a podium Feb. 24 with a Nation of Islam Saviour's Day 2008 sign, Farrakhan proclaims,

    "You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

    "Brothers and sisters," Farrakhan said, "Barack Obama to me, is a herald of the Messiah. Barack Obama is like the trumpet that alerts you something new, something better is on the way."

    Farrakhan points out that the man Nation of Islam followers refer to as "the Savior," Fard Muhammad, had a black father and a white mother, just as Obama did.

    "A black man with a white mother became a savior to us," he said. "A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall.

    "Would God allow Barack to be president of a country that has been so racist, so evil in its treatment of Hispanics, native Americans, blacks?" he asked. "Would God do something like that? Yeah. Of course he would. That's to show you that the stone that the builders rejected has become the headstone of the corner. This is a sign to you. It's the time of our rise. It's the time that we should take our place. The future is all about you."

    Farrakhan suggested he would keep a low profile in the campaign, despite his enthusiasm for Obama.

    "That's why you have never heard me make any comment," he explained. "I love that brother, and I want to see that brother successful. I don't want to say anything that would hurt that brother, and I don't want them to use me or the Nation of Islam."

    Returning to the theme that Obama is a mystical figure, Farrakhan said, he "is not the Messiah for sure, but anytime he gives you a sign of uniting races, ethnic groups, ideologies, religions and makes people feel a sense of oneness, that's not necessarily Satan's work, that is, I believe, the work of God."

    He went on to point out that when religious scholars talk about Christ or the Islamic Mahdi, they never talk in racial terms – again, pointing to Obama's mixed racial background. (snip)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    forgive me for saying so, but the hypocracy on this issue is simply amazing ...
    What hypocrisy are you speaking of with this post?

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    ^^^ 'hate and lies' seem to be abundant on both sides !

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