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    this issue is gaining traction, and is NOT going to disappear




    CNN notices ACORN ( Oct 10, 2008 )
    It's no longer just a news item for conservative talk radio, righty blogs, and Fox News. CNN has been forced to cover the fraudulent activities of ACORN, the group of community organizers that Barack Obama once worked for. ACORN has been very busy in Pennsylvania lately, not to mention in Ohio. What does Obama know about ACORN's voter fraud schemes?...

    Obama worked for ACORN ( Oct 8, 2008 )
    Though he may deny it, Barack Obama worked for ACORN, the fraud-riddled left-wing community organizers' association. His former employer, Project Vote, is a front group created and run by ACORN....

    More ACORN voter fraud in Ohio ( Oct 8, 2008 )
    ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registrations in Cuyahoga County? Say it ain't so: Cuyahoga County Election Board members grilled representatives of a community group Tuesday about their links to suspicious voter registration cards. In one case, a Cleveland resident was registered to vote three times in a single day, listing two different addresses. The man's registration was submitted to the Board...

    ACORN fraud revealed in Las Vegas ( Oct 8, 2008 )
    Barack Obama's favorite community organizers are at it again: The secretary of state's office launched an investigation after noticing that names did not match addresses and that most members of the Dallas Cowboys appeared to be registering in Nevada to vote in November's general election. "Some of these (forms) were facially fraudulent; we basically had the starting lineup for the...

    ACORN commits fraud in Ohio to support Obama ( Oct 1, 2008 )
    Just like clockwork, and just like the Ohio Republican Party warned would happen, the corrupt community organizers of ACORN have begun their effort to elect Barack Obama by committing massive voter registration fraud. The full story should wake you up, if you're still asleep. -- Update: More on ACORN fraud in Ohio here and here....

    ACORN: Obama's corrupt community organizers ( Oct 1, 2008 )
    Barack Obama prides himself on his career as a community organizer. Back then, he worked for an organization called the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), to which he still has extensive ties. Before digging into Obama's links to ACORN, it's important to understand exactly how corrupt and anti-American this organization truly is. I've dug around through tons...




    (snip)My name is James Terry and I am the chief public advocate at the Consumers Rights League, a non-profit education and advocacy organization dedicated to preserving consumer choice in a broad array of issue areas.
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    The Consumers Rights League provides an alternative voice from those organizations that argue for reduced consumer choice or increased government intervention as a policy of first choice. CRL supports all aggressive efforts to educate, motivate, register, and assist all citizens in voting so long as those efforts are legal. Unfortunately, there are some groups that do not seem to share this concern.

    As part of CRL's mandate, we monitor policy debates, news trends and the activities of organizations that style themselves as consumer advocates. Unfortunately, due to their long track record of questionable or corrupt practices with respect to housing and electoral activities, we are constantly forced to act as a watchdog for abuses by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. To be sure, there are some well-meaning individuals who are a part of ACORN.

    Unfortunately, they do not appear to be the ones in control. Firsthand accounts from current and former ACORN employees, major news stories, and court cases across the country, expose corruption at every level of ACORN including embezzlement, cover-ups, misuse of taxpayer funds and voter fraud. While all of the reported allegations noted in my statement are found in the public domain, such reports often go unnoticed by the national media.(snip)


    (snip)Today, the Consumers Rights League (CRL) published a collection of whistleblower documents that suggest the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has reaped substantial financial gains by misusing taxpayer dollars for political ends and by attacking lending corporations for the same "predatory" lending practices it regularly engages in.
    The ACORN Housing Association (AHC), an ACORN affiliate that receives over 40% of its funding from government sources, claims to be a consumer advocate. In a newly-released report from CRL, however, a series of documents obtained from a whistleblower source reveals hypocritical and potentially illegal use of taxpayer dollars by ACORN and its related organizations. These documents - which include staff emails and internal organization policies - suggest that ACORN has failed to maintain a proper distinction between its tax-exempt housing work and its aggressive political activities."(snip)

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    and the Wall St. Journal has ferreted out some Obama connection dollar figures ...



    (snip)"Acorn -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- has been around since 1970 and boasts 350,000 members. We've written about them for years, but Acorn is now getting more attention as John McCain's campaign makes an issue of the fraud reports and Acorn's ties to Mr. Obama. It's about time someone exposed this shady outfit that uses government dollars to lobby for larger government.

    Acorn uses various affiliated groups to agitate for "a living wage," for "affordable housing," for "tax justice" and union and environmental goals, as well as against school choice and welfare reform. It was a major contributor to the subprime meltdown by pushing lenders to make home loans on easy terms, conducting "strikes" against banks so they'd lower credit standards.

    But the organization's real genius is getting American taxpayers to foot the bill. According to a 2006 report from the Employment Policies Institute (EPI), Acorn has been on the federal take since 1977. For instance, Acorn's American Institute for Social Justice claimed $240,000 in tax money between fiscal years 2002 and 2003. Its American Environmental Justice Project received 100% of its revenue from government grants in the same years. EPI estimates the Acorn Housing Corporation alone received some $16 million in federal dollars from 1997-2007. Only recently, Democrats tried and failed to stuff an "affordable housing" provision into the $700 billion bank rescue package that would have let politicians give even more to Acorn.

    All this money gives Acorn the ability to pursue its other great hobby: electing liberals. Acorn is spending $16 million this year to register new Democrats and is already boasting it has put 1.3 million new voters on the rolls. The big question is how many of these registrations are real.

    The Michigan Secretary of State told the press in September that Acorn had submitted "a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications." Earlier this month, Nevada's Democratic Secretary of State Ross Miller requested a raid on Acorn's offices, following complaints of false names and fictional addresses (including the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys). Nevada's Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax said he saw rampant fraud in 2,000 to 3,000 applications Acorn submitted weekly.

    Officials in Ohio are investigating voter fraud connected with Acorn, and Florida's Seminole County is withholding Acorn registrations that appear fraudulent. New Mexico, North Carolina and Missouri are looking into hundreds of dubious Acorn registrations. Wisconsin is investigating Acorn employees for, according to an election official, "making people up or registering people that were still in prison."

    Then there's Lake County, Indiana, which has already found more than 2,100 bogus applications among the 5,000 Acorn dumped right before the deadline. "All the signatures looked exactly the same," said Ruthann Hoagland, of the county election board. Bridgeport, Connecticut estimates about 20% of Acorn's registrations were faulty. As of July, the city of Houston had rejected or put on hold about 40% of the 27,000 registration cards submitted by Acorn.

    That's just this year. In 2004, four Acorn employees were indicted in Ohio for submitting false voter registrations. In 2005, two Colorado Acorn workers were found to have submitted false registrations. Four Acorn Missouri employees were indicted in 2006; five were found guilty in Washington state in 2007 for filling out registration forms with names from a phone book.

    Which brings us to Mr. Obama, who got his start as a Chicago "community organizer" at Acorn's side. In 1992 he led voter registration efforts as the director of Project Vote, which included Acorn. This past November, he lauded Acorn's leaders for being "smack dab in the middle" of that effort. Mr. Obama also served as a lawyer for Acorn in 1995, in a case against Illinois to increase access to the polls.

    During his tenure on the board of Chicago's Woods Fund, that body funneled more than $200,000 to Acorn. More recently, the Obama campaign paid $832,000 to an Acorn affiliate. The campaign initially told the Federal Election Commission this money was for "staging, sound, lighting." It later admitted the cash was to get out the vote.



    The Obama campaign is now distancing itself from Acorn, claiming Mr. Obama never organized with it and has nothing to do with illegal voter registration. Yet it's disingenuous to channel cash into an operation with a history of fraud and then claim you're shocked to discover reports of fraud. As with Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, Mr. Obama was happy to associate with Acorn when it suited his purposes. But now that he's on the brink of the Presidency, he wants to disavow his ties."(snip)

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    I wonder if McCain is distancing himself from his ACORN connections?

    There's also a big difference between voter registration fraud and actual voter fraud. The 'tin foil hat' crowd doesn't seem to want to point that out. Voter fraud is actually very rare. Now voter suppression? That's a different story.

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    When Obama wins, we'll know the democrats stole the election.

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    Because McCain has run a really good campaign and he is up in the polls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    When Obama wins, we'll know the democrats stole the election.
    And if Obama doesn't win? Does that mean the pollsters were trying to change political agenda and McCain won fair and square?


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    Also, ACORN is required by law to submit all forms, false or valid, whether they consider them false or valid or not. It's up to state election offices to finalize registrations. The forms are vetted and fake ones are tossed.

    AAANNDDDDD..... ACORN has registered 1.2 million people this year. Even if all of those were fake (which they are no) that's 1% of the people that voted in 2004. There is no wide spread voter fraud going on.
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    No doubt the plaintiffs are McCain supporters but it will be interesting to see what happens. I live in a county just north of Warren that will no doubt landslide for McCain. While not likely, it would be kind of fun though to run into some of those ACORN folks at my polling place

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    1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
    'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'


    Johnson used the same information on all of his registration cards, and officials say they usually catch and toss out duplicate registrations. But the practice sparks fear that some multiple registrants could provide different information and vote more than once by absentee ballot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DB Cooper View Post
    1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
    'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'




    Like they say in Chicago "Vote early, vote often"
    Again, that's voter registration fraud, not voter fraud. The only one to benefit from that is the person who is getting paid by the amount of signatures they collect.

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    plus acorn reports shady stuff themselves, and gets rid of any people doing that.

    not to mention mccain is associated with acorn himself. if they are somehow committing fraud (and not just being falsely accused of it), then mccain's votecount would be rewarded quite as well, if not better, than obama's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    When Obama wins, we'll know the democrats stole the election.
    You mean like in 2000 when the Republicans stole the election in Florida? When the election came down to one state where one candidate's brother was governor, and a family friend (and allegedly mistress) was Secretary of State? When those same people were eliminating many qualified voters (mostly minorities) from the rolls?

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    There is no evidence of voter fraud. I'm sure someone in Nevada is going to falsely register to vote as Tony Romo, show up on election day,claim he is Tony Romo, and say he needs to vote quickly so he can get back to football practice in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    And if Obama doesn't win? Does that mean the pollsters were trying to change political agenda and McCain won fair and square?
    LOL there is no doubt Obama will win although I will still vote for McCain. It has cost me some accountant/attorney time but I have a pretty good plan in place from a money stand point. If he tries to paint a target on my back recalling I am one of the evil rich I will say "Dude, I made less than $42,000 last year. I am not the droid you are looking for".

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    ^^^ odds strongly suggest that you are correct about Obama winning.

    Odds also favor the fact that many Americans who operate small businesses / who have significant investment nest eggs / who earn $100k plus per year in salary are preparing for a much less friendly tax environment as you are. Not wanting to drift too far off the thread's topic, but so far I have heard about ...

    - people physically travelling to other countries with large amounts of US cash / gold etc. They figure that the duties they will have to pay if they are 'caught' will be far less than the taxes they will have to pay if they don't try

    - people getting serious about becoming expatriates

    - people seriously considering taking early retirement in order to reduce their incomes to the famous $42k a year ballpark. They figure that between the marginal tax rate that will apply had they kept working full time , and the 'cash equivalent' value of the new benefits they will become eligible for ( property tax reductions, home heating assistance, health care assistance of some sort), they can achieve 75-85% of their former standard of living while putting forth only 1/10th the effort

    - people accelerating the booking of 2008 income, exercising stock options, and accelerating sales of investment assets to avoid the effects of a major capital gains tax hike

    In fact, since the release of several polls pointing to a significant margin of victory for Obama, in combination with Nancy Pelosi's call for a lame duck congressional session after the election, I have heard more than one 'evil rich' person state they are speeding up their timetable since (like Clinton) it's possible that tax increases will be passed that will affect 2008 income tax rates ! If this were to take place, it would effectively negate many of their tax minimization schemes.


    And if Obama doesn't win? Does that mean the pollsters were trying to change political agenda and McCain won fair and square?
    well, some mainstream media talking heads are already laying some groundwork for this possibility ... i.e. a McCain victory will be attributed to the Bradley effect, with associated claims of presistent high levels of racism among white American voters. See

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    When Obama wins, we'll know the democrats stole the election.
    On what are you basing this?

    On the other hand, that Bush stole the election in 2000 is widely believed, and not without reason.

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    and on the issue as to whether or not voter fraud is an issue in elections ...

    (snip)"With nearly all the returns in, Canada's election agency reported on its Web site that the Conservatives had won or was leading in races for 143 of Parliament's 308 seats, an improvement over the 127 seats the party had in the previous Parliament. (snip)

    (snip)Voter turnout Tuesday about 59 percent, the lowest in Canadian history. It was unclear how much stringent new proof-of-identity requirements affected the turnout.(snip)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    and on the issue as to whether or not voter fraud is an issue in elections ...

    (snip)"With nearly all the returns in, Canada's election agency reported on its Web site that the Conservatives had won or was leading in races for 143 of Parliament's 308 seats, an improvement over the 127 seats the party had in the previous Parliament. (snip)

    (snip)Voter turnout Tuesday about 59 percent, the lowest in Canadian history. It was unclear how much stringent new proof-of-identity requirements affected the turnout.(snip)


    from http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
    Has ACORN committed voter fraud??

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    ^^^ technically, no ... they have commited voter registration fraud. For voter fraud to happen requires that a voter must actually attempt to cast a ballot using a false ID / false voter registration ... that ACORN has arguably facilitated. However it would appear that there are more than a 'few' cases of potential voter fraud to be investigated already ... and it's still three weeks until the election.



    (snip)"About 200K Ohio voters have records discrepancies

    (snip)"Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner estimated that an initial review found that about 200,000 newly registered voters reported information that did not match motor-vehicle or Social Security records, Brunner spokesman Kevin Kidder said. Some discrepancies could be as simple as a misspelling, while others could be more significant.

    The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati sided with the Ohio Republican Party on Tuesday and ordered Brunner to set up a system that provides those names to county elections boards. The GOP contends the information will help prevent fraud.

    "Things already are in motion to comply," Kidder said. "We're working to establish these processes on how we can make this work. The computer work actually began last week."

    About 666,000 Ohioans have registered to vote since January.

    Brunner previously cross-checked new-voter registrations with databases run by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicle and the Social Security Administration and made the results available online, but the 6th Circuit said the information was not accessible in a way that would help county election boards ferret out mismatches.

    Brunner, a Democrat, told The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer on Wednesday that she is concerned the court decision is a veiled attempt at disenfranchising voters. Brunner said she'll urge counties not to force these people to use provisional ballots.

    The court gave Brunner until Friday to get election boards the information but it was unclear whether that deadline would be met. The court set no penalty for missing the deadline. "(snip)

    (snip)Also Wednesday, the Ohio Republican Party said it has filed public records requests with all 88 counties for copies of forms submitted by newly registered voters, especially those who registered and cast an absentee ballot on the same day during a one-week window earlier this month.

    Brunner has said that 13,141 Ohioans registered and voted immediately during the window."(snip)


    ... which brings into question some 13,000 potentially fraudulent votes already cast (via absentee ballot) plus another 100,000+ potentially fraudulent votes to be cast on election day in the state of Ohio alone !

    Question 1 - what is the breakdown of votes for Obama vs McCain in this pile of 100,000 + potential votes ? ACORN activities / admissions would tend to indicate that virtually all of these involve votes for Obama.

    Question 2 - how significant would 100,000 + additional votes be (or for that matter 70,000 or 50,000 or even 20,000 votes) in swinging ALL of Ohio's electoral college votes in favor of Obama versus McCain ? The 100,000 + figure represents something on the order of 2-3% of likely Ohio voters.

    Question 3 - how many other states are facing a similar situation in regard to potentially fraudulent voter registrations / voter fraud that mainstream media is not reporting particulars about (due to the absence of a major legal challenge like in Ohio ) ? We do know that ACORN is facing major criminal investigations in 13 states.

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    this could have a HUGE impact ...

    (snip)"COLUMBUS: Ohio's top elections chief has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene in a dispute over whether the state is required to do more to help counties verify voter eligibility, a spokesman for her office said Thursday.

    Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, filed an appeal the high court late Wednesday, said spokesman Jeff Ortega.

    On Tuesday, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati sided with the Ohio Republican Party and ordered Brunner to set up a system that provides names of newly registered voters whose driver's license numbers or Social Security numbers don't match records in other government databases.

    The GOP contends the information for counties will help prevent fraud.

    At least 200,000 newly registered voters have mismatched data, according to an initial review by Brunner's office.

    Brunner's office said Wednesday that she would comply with the lower court's ruling. Ortega said the office would release a statement later Thursday on why she chose to file an appeal.

    Brunner has called the issue a veiled attempt at disenfranchising voters and said other checks exist to help determine eligibility.

    Ohio Republicans issued a statement calling the situation a shameful mess and criticized her for initially saying she would comply with the earlier court ruling."(snip)

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    Falsified registrations become votes

    Anita MonCrief, an ACORN whistle-blower who worked for both it and its Project Vote registration affiliate from 2005 until early this year, agrees. "It's ludicrous to say that fake registrations can't become fraudulent votes," she told me. "I assure you that if you can get them on the rolls you can get them to vote, especially using absentee ballots." MonCrief, a 29-year old University of Alabama graduate who wanted to become part of the civil rights movement, worked as a strategic consultant for ACORN as well as a development associate with Project Vote and sat in on meetings with the national staffs of both groups. She has given me documents that back up many of her statements, including one that indicates that the goal of ACORN's New Mexico affiliate was that only 40 percent of its submitted registrations had to be valid.
    Perhaps the clearest look at how fraudulent registrations can be converted into votes comes from Wisconsin. Earlier this year, the Milwaukee Police Department's Special Investigation Unit released a stunning 67-page report detailing an "illegal organized attempt to influence the outcome" of the 2004 presidential election.


    And once they vote there's no way to go back and "cancel" their vote. Looks like we'll have to live with the fraud. Maybe in time for the next presidential race we'll have strict photo ID laws for voters. But I wouldn't count on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    AAANNDDDDD..... ACORN has registered 1.2 million people this year. Even if all of those were fake (which they are no) that's 1% of the people that voted in 2004. There is no wide spread voter fraud going on.
    Do you know how much 1% can matter in an election?

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