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    (snip)"Barack Hussein Obama II
    By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author

    It has been asserted by a number of sources, including Andy Martin, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii. Philip Berg’s Latest Motion to the Court is more explicit since it gives an exact Place of Birth. I must assume that Berg did not simply pluck the Location out of thin air, Mombasa has more than one Hospital, though Coast Provincial General was the best in 1961.

    British Birth Certificates have a Standard Format which has been more or less the same since 1837 and they can only be challenged in a British Court. Kenyan Law is explicit and can only be challenged in a Kenyan Court. Indonesian Law is explicit and can only be challenged in an Indonesian Court. Be clear, if Obama was born in Kenya this is not simply a matter for the US Courts, or US Law.

    If he was born in Kenya, and his parents were Legally Married [which on the Preponderance of Evidence they were, his father's first "Marriage" being a Tribal, or Village, Marriage, which was not Legally Recognized] due to the age of his mother he would NOT have been a US Citizen. The Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, 8 U.S.C. 1401. Sec. 301 (g) [Effective November 14, 1986] does not apply, nor does Title III, Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409].

    Unless he has taken the Oath of Allegiance as a Naturalized Citizen since he was 18 years old, and if he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama II would not be a US Citizen, period. The issue of whether or not he was Natural Born under Article II of the Constitution of the United States would cease to matter and he would need to be Deported as an Illegal Alien.

    Impeachment as a Senator would seem not to be necessary since he would never Legally have been one, but Diane Feinstein and the members of the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee would be liable to Impeachment. So would their opposite numbers in the Illinois Senate and the appropriate officials of the Illinois State Supreme Court and Bar, so far as I can see.

    If Senator Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7.24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was. Philip J Berg, Esq, is correct, under the Nationality Act of 1940, as Revised June 1952 and in accord with United States of America vs Cervantes-Nava 281 F 3d 501 (2002) and Drozd vs INS, 155 F 3d 81, 85-88 (2d Circuit 199 Senator Barack Hussein Obama II would not ever have been a Legal US Citizen at all, unless he was Naturalized.(snip)

    (snip)If Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, it is certain that he is not Eligible to hold the Offices of POTUS or VPOTUS and highly probable that he is not Legally entitled to hold the Office of Senator either and that he was not Eligible to be an Illinois State Senator.

    In that event the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee, Chair Diane Feinstein, have a problem because they are responsible for the Certification of a Candidate’s Compliance with Constitutional Requirements, a job they would have conspicuously failed to do. Should he be Elected the poisoned Chalice would pass to Nancy Pelosi because as Speaker of the House she, and the House, have the Responsibility to ensure that the President Elect can Effectively be Sworn In and Legally Assume the Office and Duties of the President.

    Be very clear here, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, Diane Feinstein’s Committee have already failed in their Duty, as has every Secretary of State in the Union.

    (snip)"Let me repeat myself, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was, he is not even a Citizen by Birth. I had assumed ab initio that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his Hawaiian Paperwork was basically “on the up and up”, I could not conceive that a lie of this magnitude was possible, I thought that the INS would have caught on long since. If he is a US Citizen under these circumstances his Oath of Allegiance must be on Record somewhere. If it isn’t he is not a US Citizen.

    Hawaii may Legally be able to Issue a Birth Certificate under these circumstances, according to their own Code, but it would breach of International and Federal Law if they have. It would breach Hawaiian Law if the Place of Birth is spurious.

    “[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

    (b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.”


    So by that section he could get a certificate claiming Hawaiian birth even if he was physically born outside the US but the Place of Birth would need to be correctly recorded.

    Understand, the Hawaiian Authorities may be able to Issue a Hawaiian Birth Certificate under these circumstances but they cannot make you a US Citizen. A child born in Kenya to and underage US Female and a UK and Colonies Citizen in 1961 was not born a US Citizen under any US Federal Law, under British Law, or International Law. The only way such an Individual could be a US Citizen in terms of the XIVth Amendment, or any Statute, or Code of US Federal Law is by Naturalization.

    Under Common Law no Person can Testify as to their own Place of Birth, this is established Law upheld by stare decisis. Therefore it would be possible, even given the he was born in Kenya, for Obama to claim that he believed a Hawaiian Birth Certificate made him a US Citizen under the XIVth Amendment and that therefore he was acting in Good Faith running for an Office which he was Constitutionally Incapable of Holding. Unfortunately for him, his actions in regard to the Admission of his UK & Colonies and Kenyan Citizenships and his Indonesian Citizenship by Adoption, his frequent apparent Breaches of the Logan Act, his probable breaches of the Hobbs Act, the Hatch Act, USC Title 18 Part One Chapter 63 § 1346 and the RICO Statute make this Defense wholly Untenable, especially when one considers the fact that he holds a JD from Harvard Law. One may throw in the Misprision Statute for good measure. It is difficult to find any action or statement of Obama’s since 1992 that could be used to suggest Good Faith could be used as a Defense in this Case. I am not saying that Obama is Guilty of any of these Felonies or High Misdemeanors, only that his actions and pronouncements are such as to lead to a reasonable suspicion that he may be."(snip)
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    They are grasping for straws. If he wasn't born in Hawaii if would have come up during his senate race. The GOP knows they are going down due to the bigots so they need something to make up. Besides, McCain was born in Panama so I guess he's not a natural born citizen too.

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    ^^^ actually, you bring up an interesting point ...

    (snip)"There is indirect reason to believe that this may be true. “2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States.” was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why? Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly Legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004? And why did Senators McCaskill and Obama reportedly insert the following Clause?

    “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;”

    This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill and Obama attempted to REMOVE shows that:

    “; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:

    It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL Foreign Born candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background?

    McCain did not need this resolution, Richardson did not need this Resolution, so far as I can see nobody needed this Resolution unless somebody in the race was born outside the USA and was “Covering his/her Ass” and the only individual in the race that that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years!"(snip)

    also from


    At any rate, this issue isn't being swept under the rug ... yet !

    (snip)"Berg Response to Defense Motion for Protective Order, Jeff Schreiber explanation, October 9, 2008, Obama’s citizenship, constitutional requirements for the presidency, Obama campaign donations
    October 9, 2008

    Philip J Berg filed a motion in federal court today, Thursday, October 9, 2008 to dismiss the motion from Obama and the DNC to stay discovery until after the judge rules on a defense motion to dismiss. Jeff Schreiber, a law student, legal writer and blog owner has provided an explanation of Mr. Berg’s motion. Here are some exerpts:

    “This morning, Philadelphia attorney Philip Berg filed a response in opposition to the motion for protective order, a measure intended to stay discovery until after the judge rules on a defense motion to dismiss, filed by Barack Obama and the DNC on Monday.

    In the response Berg insists, among other things, that he is not seeking the documents specified in his motion for expedited discovery for any improper purpose, that the information requested through discovery is of extreme importance and a matter of public safety, and argues that Barack Obama and the DNC

    have not pointed to any “legitimate privacy concerns.”
    have not pointed out any “substantiated specific examples” showing that disclosure of the information requested through discovery would “cause and defined and serious injury.”
    have not effectively demonstrated “any risk that particularly serious embarrassment will result” from turning over the requested documents.
    have failed to show “good cause” and are not entitled to a protective order.

    On the latter, Berg cites a 1994 decision by the Third Circuit Court of Appeals–the appellate court sitting here in Philadelphia and the natural next step in this case should the losing party in District Court choose to appeal–in which the court held that “good cause” exists when the moving party can specifically demonstrate “that disclosure will cause a clearly defined and serious injury” based upon a seven-factor test:

    Whether disclosure will violate any privacy interests;
    Whether the information is sought for a legitimate purpose or for an improper purpose;
    Whether disclosure of the information will cause a party embarrassment;
    Whether confidentiality is sought over information important to public health and safety;
    Whether sharing information among the litigants will promote fairness and efficiency;
    Whether a party who would benefit from the order of confidentiality is a public entity or official; and
    Whether the case involves issues important to the public.” "(snip)

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    I would also point out that the originator of this lawsuit Philip J. Berg, Esquire, is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate in Democratic Primaries; former Chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County; former member of Democratic State Committee ... not exactly the republican reactionary you attempt to portray ! He is, however, a Clinton supporter !!!
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    ^^^ and the Clinton angle is abundantly apparent ...

    "Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083, seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction that Obama does not meet the qualifications to be President of the United States. Berg filed this suit for the best interests of the Democratic Party and the citizens of the United States.

    1. Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada; or ?

    2. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?

    3. What was the early childhood of Obama in Hawaii; in Kenya; in Indonesia when he was adopted; and later, back to Hawaii?

    4. An explanation as to the various names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.

    5. Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.

    If Obama can prove U.S. citizenship, we still have the issue of muti-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegance to other countries.

    Berg continued:

    “Eighteen million Democratic Primary voters donated money, volunteered their time and energy, worked very hard and then not only supported Senator Clinton, but voted for her and often recruited other supporters as well. All the efforts of supporters of legitimate citizens were for nothing because this man lied and cheated his way into a fraudulent candidacy and cheated legitimately eligible natural born citizens from competing in a fair process and the supporters of their citizen choice for the nomination.

    Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Senator Obama's lies and obfuscations. He clearly shows a conscience of guilt by his actions in using the forged birth certificate and the lies he's told to cover his loss of citizenship. We believe he does know, supported this belief by his actions in hiding his secret, in that he failed to regain his citizenship and used documents to further his position as a natural born citizen. We would also show he proclaims himself a Constitutional scholar and lecturer, but did not learn he had no eligibility to become President except by means of lying, obfuscations and deceptions. His very acts proves he knew he was no longer a natural born citizen. We believe he knew he was defrauding the country or else why use the forged birth certificate of his half sister?

    Americans lost money, goods and services donated in their support of a candidate who supposedly was a natural born citizen simply because the DNC officers and party leaders looked the other way and did not demand credentials to answer the questions and prove whether or not Senator Obama was a legitimately natural born citizen, even in light of recent information that has surfaced on websites on the Internet suggesting Senator Obama may not be eligible to become President and questioning his status of multiple citizenships and questionable loyalties! If the DNC officers and.or leaders had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship through an oath of allegiance at age eighteen [18] as prescribed by Constitutional laws! "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ and the Clinton angle is abundantly apparent ...

    "Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083, seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction that Obama does not meet the qualifications to be President of the United States. Berg filed this suit for the best interests of the Democratic Party and the citizens of the United States.

    1. Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada; or ?

    2. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?

    3. What was the early childhood of Obama in Hawaii; in Kenya; in Indonesia when he was adopted; and later, back to Hawaii?

    4. An explanation as to the various names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.

    5. Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.

    If Obama can prove U.S. citizenship, we still have the issue of muti-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegance to other countries.

    Berg continued:

    “Eighteen million Democratic Primary voters donated money, volunteered their time and energy, worked very hard and then not only supported Senator Clinton, but voted for her and often recruited other supporters as well. All the efforts of supporters of legitimate citizens were for nothing because this man lied and cheated his way into a fraudulent candidacy and cheated legitimately eligible natural born citizens from competing in a fair process and the supporters of their citizen choice for the nomination.

    Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Senator Obama's lies and obfuscations. He clearly shows a conscience of guilt by his actions in using the forged birth certificate and the lies he's told to cover his loss of citizenship. We believe he does know, supported this belief by his actions in hiding his secret, in that he failed to regain his citizenship and used documents to further his position as a natural born citizen. We would also show he proclaims himself a Constitutional scholar and lecturer, but did not learn he had no eligibility to become President except by means of lying, obfuscations and deceptions. His very acts proves he knew he was no longer a natural born citizen. We believe he knew he was defrauding the country or else why use the forged birth certificate of his half sister?

    Americans lost money, goods and services donated in their support of a candidate who supposedly was a natural born citizen simply because the DNC officers and party leaders looked the other way and did not demand credentials to answer the questions and prove whether or not Senator Obama was a legitimately natural born citizen, even in light of recent information that has surfaced on websites on the Internet suggesting Senator Obama may not be eligible to become President and questioning his status of multiple citizenships and questionable loyalties! If the DNC officers and.or leaders had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship through an oath of allegiance at age eighteen [18] as prescribed by Constitutional laws! "
    all i can say is..wow

    if this is true (which its not, i think its a big huge load of horse poo poo), i would not care. Who gives a fuck if he spent the first few days or couple months of freakin INFANCY in another country. He spent 99 percent of his life here....helping us here in america, being an american.

    And had his documents been forged, HE would not have forged them. It would have been his parents. You need to be a US citizen and have proof to do things like go to college, and register to vote....and to also get an id. I don't think obama as a child forged his own birth certificate





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    well, you can hear the 'case' in attorney Philip Berg's own words at . And Obama did not "spend 99 percent of his life here....helping us here in america, being an american". In point of fact he spent many years outside of the USA as a child. THIS may turn out to be a hugely important detail ...

    Like Arnold Schwarzenegger, the issue with eligibility for the US Presidency revolves around being a Natural Born Citizen of the USA as opposed to a 'naturalized' citizen. Berg raises the legal point that, regardless of whether Obama was actually born in Hawaii or Kenya (or any other country for that matter), he 'lost' whatever Natural Born citizenship claim he may have had by the fact that he did not reside within the USA for more than 5 years as a child (i.e. his stepfather effectively renounced whatever US citizenship Barack may have had as a child and registered him as an Indonesian citizen in order to attend school in Indonesia). This being a matter of (Indonesian) record, it is then possible that, upon return to the USA later in life, Obama could have filed to regain US citizenship. However, if done in this manner, Obama would then be a 'naturalized' US citizen just like Arnold Schwarzenegger and thus ineligible to run for president.

    John McCain's birth in Panama is an entirely different story. A. both of his parents were US citizens over the age of 18 ( whereas Barack's father was Kenyan and Barack's mother was a US citizen but NOT over the age of 18 - which is important under US citizenship laws) B. John McCain was born on a US military base, which for purposes of the US State Dep't is considered to be US soil regardless of the surrounding country (and a non-issue in this case since prior to 1977 the Canal Zone was a US territory), C. John McCain did not reside outside of the USA (or a US territory) for 5 years, and D. John McCain was never registered as a citizen of a different country !

    And if Obama did not file to regain his US citizenship when he returned from Indonesia, it is arguable that he is not in fact a US citizen at all - and thus not eligible to hold the office of US senator let alone the presidency.

    All of this could be 'put to bed' immediately if only Barack Obama would produce the requested birth record / citizenship documents. So far he has refused to do so ... and has also refused to produce a wide array of other documents as well.

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    Melonie, please don't take this the wrong way, but I don't understand why you are such a staunch Republicain and so into believing propoganda on their side. Birth cerfiticates are a matter of public record, I highly doubt that there is a huge conspiracy going on trying to get him into office. I think the democratic party is a bit more intelligent than trying to pull the wool over Americas eyes and sneak in some crazy illegal candidate!! You do realize as an ex stripper, with a huge rack you wouldn't be welcome into any of their social groups, right? They wouldn't exactly want you speaking at a McCain rally, you know that right...So why are you so supportive? I just don't get it, sorry !! I hope you realize I am not saying anything negative about strippers as clearly I have been one for eight years, but Republicans aren't supportive of us, you me, any other stripper so....Why?

    I guess if you wern't posting this on a stripper forum, I might not be saying these things, but think back to all the struggle and tribulation you have undoubtedly gone through in your life, because of dancing. Us girls my age and younger (I'm 26 and on the mid to older age in the dancing circuit) are now experiencing... I mean..Why? Your political beliefs directly contradict the best interests of dancers so...Why? You've stated over and over again that you would consider moving to another country to avoid being taxed, and I think that;s a horribly unpatriotic statement, and it pretty much disgusts me. Hopefully when I am your age, I will have saved near a million dollars as well, but I will be socially responsible and not hateful and remember HOW I made my money and the struggles I went through. I also love America, and am happy to live here as my parents are immigrants and I appreciate being an American citizen and what it offers me. But, I guess we don't thnk alike. My grandparents faught tooth and nail to come here and I think it's quite flipant and disrepecful to say h I will move so I dont have to contribute to socially responsible issues.

    But, that's just me. Sorry Mel I dont mean to sound hateful, but I think youre attitude is ungrateful, spoiled and disgusting, and I have held my tounge about it up til seeing this most disrespectful, propogandic, and awful post.
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    For the record, there are only two reasons that I bother to post stuff like this.
    #1 because I care about the US constitution, and
    #2 because I care about the truth.


    Birth cerfiticates are a matter of public record
    In the case of the state of Hawaii, no they are not !!! Only the person listed on the birth certificate or immediate family members can access Hawaiian birth records !

    think the democratic party is a bit more intelligent than trying to pull the wool over Americas eyes and sneak in some crazy illegal candidate!!
    you're probably correct. However, the Clinton wing of the democratic constituency are the ones that brought this lawsuit, not the republicans. You really should listen to the Youtube video clip at

    You do realize as an ex stripper, with a huge rack you wouldn't be welcome into any of their social groups, right?
    I realize that neither mainstream democrats or mainstream republicans would want anything to do with a person like myself ( in a public setting anyhow LOL ). The ONLY politician that ever publicly acknowledged 'strippers' was Ron Paul ! Coincidentally or not, Ron Paul is also the only presidential candidate that I could actually respect or support !


    Your political beliefs directly contradict the best interests of dancers
    I would argue that just the opposite is true ! 'Strippers' are the ultimate free market entrepreneurs. And the proven end result of a club operating under 'liberal democrat' economic principles can be seen at the Lusty Lady in San Francisco ... which has gone bankrupt twice already, where the dancers earn peanuts, where length of employment matters more than 'hotness' or 'work ethic' etc. But hey those girls ARE covered by unemployment insurance and workmen's comp !

    I think it's quite flipant and disrepecful to say h I will move so I dont have to contribute to socially responsible issues.
    I would respond by saying I have no problem contributing to responsible issues ... it is the taking of an ever increasing share of the fruits of my own labors to pay for IRRESPONSIBLE issues that bothers the hell out of me.

    Let's be honest ... certain facts cannot be avoided here. The USA no longer follows many basic constitutional principles laid down by the founding fathers - from the legalization of an income tax to the institution of widespread social welfare programs to laws regulating what you can or cannot do in your own home, to the very recent laws authorizing the gov't to decide which businesses will go bankrupt versus which will be 'bailed out' with taxpayer money. From that standpoint, I will not be leaving my 'country' ... my 'country' will have already left me !

    And as I have also posted about on many previous occasions, I actually support the election of Barack Obama for president. Of course my reason for doing so is a bit out of the mainstream. It will only be through an unrestrained Obama presidency, supported by filibuster proof democratic majorities in both houses of congress, that the US voters will actually be able to see and understand the consequences of liberal democratic economic and social policies 4 years from now. And hopefully the 2012 result will be similar to the last time such an unrestrained Democratic presidency existed i.e. Jimmy Carter being replaced by Ronald Reagan. What's the famous quote ? 'Those who refuse to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it' ?

    If and when that happens, and if the 'working people' of this country are still able to muster a majority of votes versus those who 'depend' on the government for their monthly check, their jobs, or their tax credits / gov't subsidies / loopholes, I'll gladly move back to my 'country'.

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    all i can say is..wow

    if this is true (which its not, i think its a big huge load of horse poo poo), i would not care. Who gives a fuck if he spent the first few days or couple months of freakin INFANCY in another country. He spent 99 percent of his life here....helping us here in america, being an american.

    And had his documents been forged, HE would not have forged them. It would have been his parents. You need to be a US citizen and have proof to do things like go to college, and register to vote....and to also get an id. I don't think obama as a child forged his own birth certificate
    Well, if he was born outside the US, he can't be president. The wording is very clear on this. He spent more than the first few days of his life elsewhere. The bulk of his childhood, if I'm not mistaken, was spent in Indonesia.

    This " October Surprise" has been out there for awhile, and the copy of his supposed birth certificate reportedly looks altered. So far, no one has produced an original Certificate of Live Birth from the hospital in Hawaii. Until they do, doubts will persisit.
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    ^^^ in regard to the birth certificate on Obama's website, this document was supposedly certified by FactCheck as being genuine. However, as attorney Philip Berg points out in the video clip, FactCheck is a division of Annenberg. Barack Obama was involved with Annenberg for many years, and was responsible for deciding how up to 60 million dollars worth of Annenberg funding would be distributed. Thus there is a huge potential conflict of interest in regard to FactCheck's supposed objectivity in this matter !

    Again the resolution of this question couldn't be simpler. Obama should just produce these (and other) documents as requested. Truly objective experts can then certify them as being genuine and everything can move forward.

    However, if they are NOT genuine, or if other research proves that Obama's status as a non-Natural Born Citizen excludes him from the presidency under existing law, then this country is faced with one hell of a dilemma. Essentially the 'tin foil hat' crowd points out that there would only be three available options.
    A - a constitutional amendment would have to be written up, approved by the states, and ratified before January 17th in order for non-Natural Born Citizen Barack Obama to be inaugurated, or
    B - the election would have to be postponed, the democratic party would have to choose a different candidate for president who meets the Natural Born Citizen requirement (hint hint Hilary Clinton !!!), or
    C - Joe Biden would be inaugurated as president in place of Barack Obama (an option that is ripe for a supreme court challenge since the situation of a VP taking over for an 'incapacitated' president has never occurred before the inauguration took place).

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    1. Barack Obama has a certified copy of his birth certificate posted online. it's right here http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

    2. All of Hawaii's birth and death certificates are available to the public. It would be illegal under the freedom of information act to conceal such records. If you wish to request a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate you can do so here:
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    If it bothers you so much Melonie, go ahead and call them to request a birth certificate to set your mind at ease.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    1. Barack Obama has a certified copy of his birth certificate posted online. it's right here http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

    2. All of Hawaii's birth and death certificates are available to the public. It would be illegal under the freedom of information act to conceal such records. If you wish to request a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate you can do so here:
    Office of Health Status Monitoring
    Vital Records Section
    P. O. Box 3378
    1250 Punch Bowl Ave, Rm 103
    Honolulu, HI 96801
    (808 ) 586-4533

    If it bothers you so much Melonie, go ahead and call them to request a birth certificate to set your mind at ease.
    You may be wrong, Paris. In my state, you can only get a certified copy of your own birth certificate.

    This seems to be a running theme with Obama anyhow. He has not provided his birth certificate, medical records, school records, work records, or records as a state senator. Why all the secrecy, if he has nothing to hide? I mean, really, the Dems would be screaming if McCain was as reluctant to release information.
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    This was debunked a long time ago. Hardly an October surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    This was debunked a long time ago. Hardly an October surprise.
    Not debunked, Doc. The only thing that can debunk it is the original COLB ( certificate of live birth ) and that has not been put forth yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Not debunked, Doc. The only thing that can debunk it is the original COLB ( certificate of live birth ) and that has not been put forth yet.
    I'll give that some thought when this story starts getting press in more reputable circles than right-wing bloggers.

    Boy, you'd think Fox News would be all over this, but a search of "Obama birth Kenya" on there turns up nothing relating to this.
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    Given the momentum of things these days - it's a non-issue.

    Besides, both parties have been shitting on the constitution for years now.

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    ^^^ agreed that almost none of the mainstream media has touched this issue with a 10 foot pole other than a few outlets reporting on the filing of the original legal action. But as attorney Berg pointed out in the written interview, if the judge allows 'discovery' to proceed next week i.e. forcing Obama - the state of Hawaii - etc. to produce the original docuiments, the 'sattelite trucks' will be lined up in front of the Philadelphia courthouse.

    As to hastily deported reporter Jerome Corsi, he is booked as a guest on Fox's Hannity and Colmes this coming monday night. It will be interesting to see if he managed to lay his hands on any 'interesting' Kenyan ducuments. There are some 'spoilers' posted at
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    For the record, there are only two reasons that I bother to post stuff like this.
    #1 because I care about the US constitution, and
    #2 because I care about the truth.
    If #2 were true you wouldn't post this shit.

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    Barack Obama has a certified copy of his birth certificate posted online.
    certified by whom ? The FactCheck division of the Chicago Annenberg Foundation, where former Annenberg board member Barack Obama once approved 60 million dollars worth of funding ? A clerk in the Hawaii records office who was e-mailed a copy of the copy ?


    All of Hawaii's birth and death certificates are available to the public. It would be illegal under the freedom of information act to conceal such records.
    Credible freedom of information act requests by members of the news media to the Hawaii department of health have turned out as follows ...

    (snip)"As Obama stonewalls on uncertified birth certificate, official doubts mount - Israel Insider

    Barack Obama has claimed in writing to have a valid printed document: In the first chapter of his book Dreams From My Father, describing his origins, he wrote about finding a local Hawaiian newspaper article about his Kenyan father: "I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school."

    So where is that birth certificate? It got lost? The dog ate it? No matter. Barack Obama or an immediate family member can plunk down $10 ($11.50 if he orders online) and have Hawaii mail a certified document to him within a week or two. But more than two weeks have passed since the Obama campaign adopted the suspect, uncertified image of a purported birth document published by a left-wing blog Daily Kos, and nothing certified and nothing on paper has since has been forthcoming. Nor has there been any official comment about the issue from the campaign. They may cling to the hope -- however audacious -- that the one issue that could disqualify their man constitutionally from gaining the presidency will just go away.

    Amy Hollyfield of the St. Petersburg Times, and a reporter for the paper's "Politifact" blog, said that she has been seeking the birth certificate "for months." She was frustrated: "Hawaii birth certificates aren't public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled." (snip)


    Given the momentum of things these days - it's a non-issue.
    If the republicans had raised this issue ... which they didn't even though most posters in this thread continue to believe ... I would agree with you. Had this lawsuit come from a republican source it would have been interpreted as 'sour grapes', the legal challenge would have been quickly dismissed, and Obama's campaign would probably have picked up some additional 'sympathy' votes.

    However, in point of fact, the legal challenge comes from Clintonista democrats. Let me repeat this for the sake of the reading comprehension impaired. THIS LAWSUIT WAS FILED BY A PROMINENT DEMOCRAT WITH STRONG TIES TO THE CLINTONS !!! And when 'Occam's Razor' is applied to this situation, Hilary Clinton is really the only politician that has nothing to lose and everything to gain from this lawsuit !!!!!

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    Put your mind at ease and call vital records tomorrow in Hawaii. How hard is that?


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    ^^^ it isn't hard, just a waste of time and money. Attorney Philip Berg has tried it. Amy Hollyfield of the St. Petersburg Times has tried it. Probably countless others have tried it. But under Hawaii law, and in the absence of an order from a higher court, only the actual person or an immediate family member will be given access to this document. The same applies to the release of any Obama birth records from a Hawaii hospital which may or may not exist. This is the very reason that Philip Berg filed the lawsuit ... to obtain such a court order if Obama refuses to voluntarily produce the original documents requested.

    However, Kenyan law has no such restrictions. This is the reported reason that reporter Jerome Corsi was hastily deported from Kenya a few days ago while attempting to research Obama's Kenyan hospital birth records (as well as researching Obama ties to Kenya's muslim prime minister and self-proclaimed Obama cousin Raila Odinga )

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    There are a couple of documents posted on Citizen Wells site. I assume they came from Corsi.

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    These appear to be the same Indonesian school records showing that Barack Obama a.k.a. Barry Saetoro was registered as an Indonesian citizen that Attorney Philip Berg provided to the video crew.

    As to investigative reporter Jerome Corsi, he is reportedly scheduled to appear on Fox as a Hannity & Colmes guest this coming monday night. Some potential spoilers in regard to what Corsi may have discovered before Kenyan officials deported him can be seen at

    Again, so far there isn't a lick of proof that any of these allegations about Obama not being a Natural Born Citizen being true. However, as the constitutional requirement is clear as a laser beam, it is going to fall to Obama to prove he is ... rather than falling to Philip Berg and Jerome Corsi and other third parties to prove that he isn't !

    The real bottom line here seems to be that, just as has already been posted about at length in another thread, you can NEVER count out the Clintons !
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    You republicans/conservatives are really grasping on this one. Corsi and WorldNutDaily are hardly credible sources and for you to even think that the American people will buy into this horseshit is darn right insulting. We may have elected Dubya twice but we are not that stupid to buy into these lies and smears. If you are interested in the truth as you claim you would not be posting shit you know is untrue and just hate and smears.
    BTW Raila Odinga may be many things but he is not and has never been a muslim and even if he was a muslim what does it have to do with anything? America has no state religion and we can worship which ever god we choose.

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    BTW Raila Odinga may be many things but he is not and has never been a muslim and even if he was a muslim what does it have to do with anything? America has no state religion and we can worship which ever god we choose
    well, as long as you brought up the question ...

    (snip)"Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in the Illinois senator's conversation with Odinga, Obama "urged an end to violence and that Mr. Odinga sit down, without preconditions, with President Kibaki to resolve this issue peacefully."

    Odinga rejected Kibaki's offer for talks on Tuesday, saying it was a public relations gimmick that would undermine attempts to end the fighting.

    Obama was coordinating his efforts with the State Department, his advisers said. He discussed the situation with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Jan 1. The following day Obama recorded a statement with Voice of America after a canvass kickoff in Davenport, Iowa.

    On Jan. 3, the date of the Iowa caucuses, Obama spoke with Archbishop Desmond Tutu in Nairobi between satellite interviews with local Iowa stations. Tutu has been in Nairobi trying to secure an end to the violence.

    Obama spoke Saturday with the U.S. ambassador to Kenya, Michael Ranneberger, while in a hold room after a rally in Nashua, N.H.

    Obama last visited Kenya in 2006 and was met by large and adoring crowds throughout the visit.

    Obama's father was an economist studying in Hawaii when he met Obama's mother, but he returned to his homeland when Obama was a toddler and was not around for his son's upbringing. He died in a car crash in 1982.
    Odinga told the British Broadcasting Company Tuesday that Obama's late father is his maternal uncle, making them cousins. "(snip) from

    (snip)"Raila Odinga, who is Obama's first cousin, has, in his own words, a "close personal friendship" with Obama. When Obama went to Kenya in August of 2006, he was hosted by Raila and spoke in praise of him at several rallies in Nairobi. Obama’s bias for his fellow Luo was so blatant that a Kenya government spokesman denounced Obama during his visit as Raila’s "stooge."

    On the 27th, Raila Odinga, Obama’s cousin, lost the presidential election in Kenya. In true Marxist fashion, Odinga ordered his people to the streets to protest the outcome and the violence commenced.

    Raila vowed to go ahead with a "million man" protest rally Thursday that many fear could worsen the wave of political and ethnic violence that humanitarian groups say has already killed 300 people and displaced 100,000.

    Opposition leader Raila Odinga called the march to protest President Mwai Kibaki's re-election in the Dec. 27 vote, insisting the disputed poll was a sham.

    According to witnesses, the mob was mostly Kalenjins, Luhyas and Luos, the followers of Raila Odinga. They overran Kikuyu guards in front of the church and then pulled out cans of gasoline. There were no police officers around, witnesses said, and no water to put the fire out. "(snip)

    (snip)"Here is a summary on the agreement which was signed [by Raila Odinga]:

    * It pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila’s election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees to 14 actions, listed a) through n) on page two.

    * Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions.

    * Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters. [Note: everywhere in Kenya, not just in "Muslim declared regions."]

    * Popularize Islam, the only true religion… by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes.

    * Impose a total ban on open-air gospel crusades by worshippers of the cross…

    * Outlaw gospel programs… on KBC, the National Broadcaster.

    * Impose a total ban on the public consumption of alcoholic beverages…

    * Impose an immediate ban on women’s public dressing styles that are considered immoral and offensive to the Muslim faith…

    Obama's involvement in Kenyan politics, whether tribal or religious, is bothersome.

    Especially if it is both"(snip) from

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