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    as I said at the beginning, this issue is NOT going to go away ... even though this second lawsuit is getting practically zero coverage in US media

    (snip)"The complaint seeks specifically that the office of the Washington Secretary of State verify and certify that Mr. Obama is or is not a “natural born” citizen by producing original or certified verifiable official documents. The lawsuit argues that this certification should take place before the election to preclude a constitutional crisis and likely civil unrest should such certification, after the election, prove that Mr. Obama was not qualified for office.

    The Complaint argues that the Secretary of State has the authority and duty to not only certify the voters but also and most importantly the candidates and in so doing prevent the wholesale disenfranchisement of voters who would had had an opportunity to choose from qualified candidates had the certification preceded the election process.


    At this point, Mr. Obama has not allowed independent or official access to his birth records nor supporting hospital records. The Hawaii Health Department has violated Federal law by ignoring formal Freedom of Information requests for the same. Due to the facts and numerous other allegations that would challenge Mr. Obama’s fundamental qualifications for office, a Federal lawsuit was filed and is currently being heard in District Court, Pennsylvania.

    Mr. Obama failed to respond to the District Court’s request to produce or allow access to the official documents (should they exist) and instead filed a motion to dismiss arguing the Plaintiff had no “standing” or right to know. This non-response as of 9/24/2008 in Federal court casts doubt on the veracity of the electoral system and is the principal reason for this lawsuit. The late entry of this suit is due in principal part to Mr. Obama’s delay and subsequent non response to reasonable request for valid certificates. Multiple requests for early certification to the Office of the Secretary of State has been rejected.

    [clarification: The district court process itself demands a response from Mr. Obama. When a complaint is filed, the defendant has an opportunity to respond to the judge regarding the plaintiffs request for a preliminary injunction. Obama did respond, but not with the requested documentation, not even minimally so. He responded with a motion for dismissal based on “standing” rather than the merits of the case]

    The Washington Secretary of State Office is specifically charged with certifying and guaranteeing the veracity of official documents and overseeing the elections to wit the people’s confidence in the fundamental aspect of democracy is maintained. To date, in this regard, Secretary of State Sam Reed has not carried out that fundamental duty. "(snip)

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    given that this second lawsuit makes use of a 'new angle' i.e. the duty of each state's secretary of state to verify and certify that all candidates put forward on each states' election ballot are qualified to hold the office they seek, it's extremely probable that this Washington lawsuit will also prompt the other 49 state sec's of state to request official verification from Obama.

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    IF it is true, you're right, it'll not go away. We will have to see how this settles.

    If he is disqualified, this will lead to a Constitutional crisis if after the election and a scurried attempt to place Biden (possibly) in position or a Supreme Court decision if done before. My bet is that this won't happen until after the election. At least it was an interesting post.
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    No reputable news source is carrying this shit because it is shit pure and simple. it's fake, false all lies creating by butt hurt Republicans who can't handle the idea of losing to a Democrat much less a mixed race Democrat.


    If it this story had even the slightest bit of truth to Obama would not have ever been allowed in this election. We are 19 days away and he is still in it and leading the way. Learn to deal with reality already. Geez!

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    ^^^ well, if you or anybody from mainstream media had bothered to check it out, the second lawsuit is case # 08-2-34955-1 filed by 'Marquis, Steven R' on '10-10-08' in King County Superior Court ( which covers Seattle ).

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    ^Melonie, do you want Obama to win? You say you're voting for him, yet you post essays that discourage people 1) from voting and 2) for voting for Obama.

    I saw in another post you said that you were voting for Obama, so I'm just confused.
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    I don't have an agenda of trying to convince other Americans to vote one way or the other. If there is any agenda stemming from my Members Area posts, it is to continue pointing out that there are 'two sides to every story' even if mainstream media only chooses to report one side.

    As to my personal motivation to vote for Obama, as a libertarian I believe that an Obama presidency will be the best choice for America in the long run. However, you may not agree with my logic ... which is as follows.

    If McCain is elected, and if opposed by Democratic majorities in both houses of congress, odds are that most gov't policies and new laws will follow democratic / liberal agendas. If the result of these policies and laws is that the US economy is still bad ... if the world terrorist situation worsens etc., in 2012 the democrats will be able to 'blame' at least some of the bad results on McCain i.e. a republican.

    However, if Obama is elected, in conjunction with democratic majorities in both houses of congress it is guaranteed that every new gov't policy and new law will follow a democratic / liberal agenda. Thus if the result of these policies and laws is that the US economy is still bad in 2012 ... if the world terrorist situation worsens etc., there won't be any republicans in a position of power upon whom the democrats can attempt to lay the blame.

    As a result, it is very likely that an Obama presidency will be followed by a major republican / conservative backlash in 2012 which will bring a republican / conservative president plus republican majorities in both houses of congress ... much like Jimmy Carter was followed by the 'Reagan Revolution'.

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    Ok. Got it. Thanks.
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    Nevermind. Not wasting my time with this stupid and false accusation any further.
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    Default Re: for anybody waiting for an 'October Surprise' ... this is it !

    Here's an article about Steven R. Marquis' lawsuit from a Spokane Washington newspaper (Spokesman Review).

    You might find this interesting, Mel;

    (snip)FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.(snip)


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    So you want a failed Obama presidency to teach us that the Republicans, even with their authoritarian outlook on our personal lives, would have been a better choice for a libertarian.

    I think that is just cynical.
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    FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate
    choosing a name like FactCheck does not automatically make an organization free of political bias. FactCheck is funded by the Chicago Annenberg organization ... which means that former Annenberg board member Barack Obama once paid their salaries !!!

    (snip)"The full name of FactCheck.org is The Annenberg Political Fact Check.

    The Annenberg Political Fact Check is part of the Annenberg Public Policy Center.

    Also part of the Annenberg Public Policy Center was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was founded by William Ayers, and to which he recruited the young Barack Obama. This was Barack Obama’s first big-boy job."(snip)

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    and more to the point, FactCheck's 'facts' in regard to Obama's birth certificate have already been questioned ...



    (snip)"Factcheck.org posted 9 photographs of what it claimed were different aspects of Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth", all in less than optimal and idiosyncratic lighting conditions. All of them were taken over a less than seven minute period on March 12, 2008 from 10:40:18 to 10:47:02 at night.

    No wonder FactCheck sufficed left it a vague "spend some time" when the duration of the entire photography session took 6 minutes and 44 seconds. Talk about: "Wham, bam, thank you, Obama!" Does that sound like a serious and thorough examination to

    FactCheck will need to explain these hard chronological facts, which can be verified from the published photos by anyone with an EXIF reading tool, publically available on the net and as part of graphics software.

    If the embedded graphical information is correct, it means that FactCheck is lying about doing the photo session "recently" and may be lying about much more, since it would be implausible that "FactCheck" was even checking facts about the birth certificate in March 2008.

    Factcheck may try to argue that the photographer "forgot" to set the correct time. But that would further illuminate the shoddy level of professionalism in disregarding the need for exact documentation of the date, a carelessness echoed in the introductory remarks of its article ("recently" is not a fact, especially when it is not clearly associated with the location of the photo shoot ? where the documents "reside" is hardly the same thing). If so, FactCheck would also need to show some other published photos published with the same camera that show an identical offset between the camera's time and the real time.

    Exactly for such reasons -- the lack of professionalism, exactitude and transparency concerning the provenance of this paper and the circumstances of the photographic session -- the reasonable demand from the skeptics -- who were initially made suspicious by the fact that the purported certificate image was published first (initially in relatively low resolution and only later in high resolution) in the far-left partisan Daily Kos blog -- has always been that the paper certificate must be subjected to the scrutiny of objective media or document forensics specialists, and mainstream journalists who can ask the hard question not just about this document image or that document image but examine it for themselves and query Obama himself about the many lingering mysteries and evasions in this whole affair.

    It is striking, too, that Newsweek reprints the FactCheck report under the organizational byline without the minimal scrutiny that one would expect from a serious news magazine. In effect it is an advertorial serving the interests of the Obama campaign, not an objective piece of journalism. Indeed, at the end there is a credit: "Republished with permission from factcheck.org."

    FactCheck itself, as a project primarily funded by the Annenberg Foundation, hardly fits the bill of being a disinterested party, especially given Obama's four year stint as founding chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, currently being investigated due to its massive withholding of papers which document the catestrophic failure of the project, including public funds wasted under Obama's leadership, and his relations in that project with former Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers.

    Most curious, too, is the apparent lack of curiosity of FactCheck in pursuing the original "long-form" birth certificate that was supposedly used as the basis for the short form. After all, Barack Obama refers explicitly to possessing this document in "Dreams from My Father". Since FactCheck apparently has sufficiently close relations with the Obama teams to merit the exclusive privilege of being invited to "spend some time" (or at least 6 minutes and 44 seconds) with the reclusive short-form, one might think that if they were really interested in checking facts or examining original records they would doggedly pursue the paper source document -- the real thing from 47 years ago, not something cleaned and extracted from a database and thus subject to all kinds of potential revision and redaction. "(snip)

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    FactCheck's 'facts' in regard to Obama's birth certificate have already been questioned ...
    Oh, well, that that does it then. The Israel Insider certainly is completely unbiased anmd whatever they say must be absolute fact. They couldn't possibly be stretching their imaginations in order to assure that a President they assume is not blindly on Israel's side, regardless of whatever they do, could win. No, sir.
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    Default Re: for anybody waiting for an 'October Surprise' ... this is it !

    http://www.myfoxtoledo.com/myfox/MyF...1&locale=EN-US

    A phone interview between Berg and the Fox affiliate in Toledo, Ohio where Berg I believe is from. It's a pretty interesting listen (even if you buy it or not) because it describes the parring and back and forth between the legal teams. 23 minutes long but worth listening to. One partisan comment, keep in mind Berg is a life long Democrat, not a Republican.

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    Someone please explain to me how any regular citizen could possibly tell who is lying? Or more likely, who is lying more than the other side? Hmmm? Answer: They can't. When it comes to a close presidential campaign, every spin doctor, disinformation specialist and nut job comes out of the woodwork with the objective of casting aspersions to influence votes. On both sides. And anyone can file a lawsuit and make accusations. Doesn't mean squat. Nor does it mean it's any more credible because it came from a Clinton supporter. Hello! Is that not someone with a vested interest in scuttling Obama? Duh!

    There isn't any way to know the truth when the BS gets this deep. It just gets me that anyone believes they can sort this out, or that it makes anything any clearer to keep piling on more layers of BS via links. It all becomes meaningless to most rational people. As it should be. There's a lot to be said in favor of knowing some basic facts about the candidates and their philosophies and then going with your gut.

    And Melonie, I don't buy your claim that you want Obama to win because the resulting backlash will be better for your world view in the long run. If you wanted Obama to win, you'd be posting positive things about him in an effort to make that happen. Isn't that the way to bring about your ultimate goal? Why would you work against what you think is best for your cause? Makes no sense. Seems you're being disingenuous.

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    Why would you work against what you think is best for your cause? Makes no sense. Seems you're being disingenuous.
    Oh, I'm definitely serious. The reasoning is very straightforward too. As can be clearly seen from the last two years in Washington, a gov't comprised of a republican president 'against' democratic majorities in both houses of congress essentially makes it impossible for the president to put forth republican initiatives with any serious chance of having them become law. Granted that GWB wasn't likely to put forth such republican initiatives, but that's a whole 'nuther story ! Thus if McCain were to be elected, but facing democratic majorities in both houses of congress, odds are the very few republican initiatives would get passed - but democratic initiatives would still continue to be passed by the congress based on their ability to override a presidential veto or back the president into a PR corner (recent example was the increase in minimum wage to name just one). But when the 2012 election rolled around, if the unintended consequences of that democratic initiative were negative (i.e. increased unemployment and lower business profits in the case of the minimum wage example) it would still be possible for mainstream media and democratic politicians to 'blame' the president.

    On the other hand, if the president as well as both houses of congress have democratic majorities, as in the Carter years it would be possible for democratic initiatives to easily become law. But when the next election rolls around, if the unintended consequences of those democratic initiatives are negative, it will be impossible for mainstream media and democratic politicians to shift the 'blame' !

    As you pointed out, most American voters have no way to really tell (or refuse to make the effort to perform independent research) in regard to which political initiatives are responsible for what outcomes. Instead mainstream media (and campaign advertising to some degree at least) are the ones doing the 'telling' ... complete with spin, selective memory etc. Thus I believe that the only way that Americans can truly evaluate the consequences of democratic initiaitives is to allow them four years worth of 'free rein' in Washington to enact such initiatives, but at the same time take away the opportunity to (falsely) shift 'blame' anywhere but on their own collective heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence View Post

    There isn't any way to know the truth when the BS gets this deep. It just gets me that anyone believes they can sort this out, or that it makes anything any clearer to keep piling on more layers of BS via links. It all becomes meaningless to most rational people. As it should be.
    Thank you!

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    Well we may find out the truth after all ...

    (snip)Barack Obama and the DNC failed to respond to Berg’s filing of Sep. 15 within the required 30 days, which means they ADMITTED to all the charges in the filing by default. When they did not respond in any manner to any of the requests for information or documention the judge extended their deadline, and they then filed a motion for DISMISSAL and for a PROTECTIVE ORDER.

    Their reasoning for requesting a protective order is that revealing the information (birth certificate, passports, citizenship in other countries) would “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama and/or the DNC. They say revealing these documents raises a “legitimate privacy concern” and the above mentioned risk that “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” (emphasis added) Then they claim Berg has no standing to ask for it.

    Berg now has filed:

    A) A motion requesting an immediate order deeming his request for admissions served upon Barack Obama and the DNC on September 15 admitted by default, and

    B) A motion requesting an expedited ruling and/or hearing on Berg’s motion deeming the request for admissions served upon Obama and the DNC admitted.

    If Judge Surrick grants these motions, Barack Obama is, at least temporarily, ineligible to run for the office of President of the United States OR to be a citizen of the United States.

    There are some rumblings from the courthouse that a ruling, one way or the other, may be forthcoming by the end of this week."(snip)


    (snip)"Berg contends that the failure to respond and serve the response within the time limit is “damning,” and made two appearances overnight on Rollye James’ talk radio program, the second one coming shortly after midnight, during which he disclosed the meat of today’s filings and the legal and political ramifications of the defendants’ failure to respond.

    “They did not file answers or objections or anything else to the request for admissions we served upon them on September 15,” Berg said to me shortly before midnight, noting that Obama and the DNC did in fact acknowledge service of the admission in their motion for protective order. “They knew the admissions were due. They knew they must object or answer specifically in 30 days. Here, they did nothing.”

    Typically, requests can be used to ascertain three types of information: (1) the veracity of facts, (2) the authenticity of documents, or (3) the “application of law to fact.” Pretty much anything not privileged is fair game, and while the idea behind such a request is to obtain information, requests for admissions of facts and of the genuine nature of documents are generally not designed as a part of discovery, per se, but rather more of a mechanism used to whittle down proof later in the proceedings.

    Unless permitted by the court or allowed pursuant to a written agreement between the parties, the party served with the request must serve a response within 30 days. How serious is a failure to respond? This, from PreTrial, by Thomas A. Mauet:

    The automatic provision of Rule 36 makes it a formidable weapon because inertia or inattentiveness can have an automatic, and usually devastating, consequence. Hence, there is one cardinal rule for practice under this provision: Make sure you respond and serve the response within the 30-day period.

    Given the “usually devastating” consequence of failure to respond in time to a request for admissions such as those served upon Obama and the DNC on September 15, just what were some of the admissions that Berg asserts Barack Obama and the DNC have, at least procedurally, admitted to?

    Admit you were born in Kenya.
    Admit you are a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
    Admit your foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
    Admit your father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr., admitted Paternity of you.
    Admit your mother gave birth to you in Mombosa, Kenya.
    Admit your mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
    Admit the COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
    Admit you were adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
    Admit you were adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
    Admit you were not born in Hawaii.
    Admit you are a citizen of Indonesia.
    Admit you never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain your U.S. Citizenship status.
    Admit you are not a “natural born” United States citizen.
    Admit your senior campaign staff is aware you are not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
    Admit the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
    Admit you are ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.

    This is, however, by no means a slam dunk for Philip Berg, as there are several options for Barack Obama and the DNC at this point. The first, and most obvious, is the seemingly watertight argument that pursuant to Rule 26(f), a request for admission may only be served after the conference for the purpose of planning discovery detailed under that rule, and therefore the 30-day time limit on Berg's request has not yet begun. Here, though, Berg could feasibly argue either that the request for admissions is not a true discovery mechanism and is actually meant to streamline the future need for discovery, or that the defendants' acknowledged service of the request in their October 6 motion for protective order and failed, at that time, to specifically object or answer. The second option for the defense, somewhat related to the first, is that the motion for protective order rendered the requests null and void, but Berg may argue that the protective order effectively staying discovery was never issued by the court. Yet another option, still easily foreseen, is that Obama and the DNC could file a motion to withdraw admissions which have been deemed admitted. In order to file a motion to withdraw admissions deemed admitted by default, a party must show (1) "good cause" regarding why there was no response and (2) that such a motion to withdraw would not cause undue prejudice to the plaintiff. Here, Berg could contend that Obama and the DNC failed to meet those standards, that they cannot show "good cause" for failing to answer or object, and that withdrawing the admissions would cause undue prejudice.

    Still, for Berg, the issue is clear. He simply wanted answers or objections, he said, and instead received nothing. Rule 36, according to Berg, is fairly cut-and-dry.

    "It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side," Berg said. "The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. He admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States."(snip)

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    Default Re: for anybody waiting for an 'October Surprise' ... this is it !

    Here's a couple of October surprises for you.

    Al-Qaida endorses McCain.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/..._us_election_2

    KKK endorses McCain.
    http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2008/1...ndorsement-kkk

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    ^^^ neither endorsement will prevent McCain from being president ... which is arguably not the case if Judge Surrick approves Berg's motions !

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    Other than the fact that Berg is just obviously crazy (he's also a 9/11 truther), here are a couple folks who went through his claims and refuted them:

    Listing of every allegation made by Berg and showing there is no evidence behind each one:
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    Another site going through Berg's claims and showing how they are false:
    Source

    Here are the main points of the lawsuit:

    1.) Obama's birth certificate is fake

    2.) Obama moved to Indonesia when he was young, which didn't recognize dual citizenship, so they claim that he had to renounce his United States citizenship.

    3.) When he moved back to the United States he didn't go through any sort of re-naturalization process.


    Specifically, point 1 is just flat out false. The document has been examined by multiple organizations including factcheck.org (Berg doesn't accept their investigation because he claims they are run by Annenberg of Chicago which Obama sits on the board of. Obama sat on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, factcheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. both receive funding from the Annenberg Foundation. Very tenuous conflict of interests): Source. Even World Net Daily isn't crazy enough to claim it to be fake: Source

    On point 2, a minor cannot expatriate himself and neither can his parents. Source

    With point 2 invalidated, point 3 is as well.

    Now stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    Other than the fact that Berg is just obviously crazy (he's also a 9/11 truther), here are a couple folks who went through his claims and refuted them:

    Listing of every allegation made by Berg and showing there is no evidence behind each one:
    One
    Two

    Another site going through Berg's claims and showing how they are false:
    Source

    Here are the main points of the lawsuit:

    1.) Obama's birth certificate is fake

    2.) Obama moved to Indonesia when he was young, which didn't recognize dual citizenship, so they claim that he had to renounce his United States citizenship.

    3.) When he moved back to the United States he didn't go through any sort of re-naturalization process.


    Specifically, point 1 is just flat out false. The document has been examined by multiple organizations including factcheck.org (Berg doesn't accept their investigation because he claims they are run by Annenberg of Chicago which Obama sits on the board of. Obama sat on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, factcheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. both receive funding from the Annenberg Foundation. Very tenuous conflict of interests): Source. Even World Net Daily isn't crazy enough to claim it to be fake: Source

    On point 2, a minor cannot expatriate himself and neither can his parents. Source

    With point 2 invalidated, point 3 is as well.

    Now stop it.
    Luscious is right. This lawsuit is a joke and Berg should be sanctioned under Rule 11 for bringing a frivolous suit in Federal Court. Berg is trying to flip the burden when it is HE who has the burden of proving his allegations.

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    If the allegation is so frivolous though, why doesn't Obama just produce the original COLB and end all the nonsense? That's the only reason I give any credibility to the assertions of Berg.
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    that's like you expecting girls on this site to provide evidence that ray gordon parker's lawsuit against them is frivolous.

    it is much the same situation here.

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    well this bullet appears to have been successfully dodged ... Judge Surrick just ruled that, as a registered voter, Berg does not have sufficient 'standing' to bring such a lawsuit !



    In point of fact, the Judge did not delve into the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of any of Berg's claims. Instead the Judge ruled that only the US Congress can confer 'standing' for individual parties to bring lawsuits regarding such constitutional issues ... with the implication being that with both houses of congress firmly in Democratic hands that no such 'standing' is ever likely to be conferred - thus no investigation of Obama's citizenship credentials is ever likely to take place.


    (snip)"All in all, the judge wrote, it was the satisfaction of the injury-in-fact requirement which was the problem. Berg’s harm was simply too intangible.

    …regardless of questions of causation, the grievance remains too generalized to establish the existence of an injury in fact. To reiterate: a candidate’s ineligibility under the Natural Born Citizen Clause does not result in an injury in fact to voters. By extension, the theoretical constitutional harm experienced by voters does not change as the candidacy of an allegedly ineligible candidate progresses from the primaries to the general election.

    Berg, disappointed by the decision, plans to appeal to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court.

    “This is a question of who has standing to stand up for our Constitution,” Berg said. “If I don’t have standing, if you don’t have standing, if your neighbor doesn’t have standing to ask whether or not the likely next president of the United States–the most powerful man in the entire world–is eligible to be in that office in the first place, then who does?”"(snip)


    At any rate, regardless of Berg's option of filing appeals in higher courts, it would appear that if any negative consequences were to eventually materialize from this issue will only happen well after the presidential election. Given that the Third Circuit court has a history of handing down fairly 'liberal' decisions, and given that Obama will have been inaugurated as president well before this issue could ever 'percolate' through to the Supreme Court, odds are this is the last that will be heard of this issue in terms of becoming a serious challenge to an Obama presidency. From a pragmatic standpoint, it is extremely doubtful that the US Supreme Court judges would ever rule in a manner that would result in the removal from office of a 'sitting' president !!!

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    well, it would appear that Berg has done his homework in expectation of an unfavorable ruling ...



    (snip)"Philip J. Berg is Appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court as Obama is "NOT" qualified to be President of the United States Lawsuit Against Obama Dismissed from Philadelphia Federal Court

    For Immediate Release: - 10/25/08 - Contact Info at end.

    (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/25/0 - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

    Berg said, "I am totally disappointed by Judge Surrick's decision and, for all citizens of the United States, I am immediately appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?

    So, anyone can just claim to be eligible for congress or the presidency without having their legal status, age or citizenship questioned.

    According to Judge Surrick, we the people have no right to police the eligibility requirements under the U.S. Constitution."(snip)


    the question of timing now becomes a critical issue i.e. will the US Supreme Court agree to hear this case prior to the election ? ... prior to an Obama inauguration ?

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