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    Disqualifying Obama: yer doin it wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Oh, I'm definitely serious. The reasoning is very straightforward too. ..[snip].. Thus I believe that the only way that Americans can truly evaluate the consequences of democratic initiaitives is to allow them four years worth of 'free rein' in Washington to enact such initiatives, but at the same time take away the opportunity to (falsely) shift 'blame' anywhere but on their own collective heads.
    Yeah, hon, I understand that, but you didn't answer my question. Since it's in your best interest for Obama to win, why are you distributing information that might cost him votes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence View Post
    Yeah, hon, I understand that, but you didn't answer my question. Since it's in your best interest for Obama to win, why are you distributing information that might cost him votes?

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    Since it's in your best interest for Obama to win, why are you distributing information that might cost him votes?
    mostly to enable those SW readers who aren't drinking CNBC KoolAid to prepare themselves for the likely impact of an Obama presidency + supermajorities in the US congress.

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    ...and the beat goes on.

    A similar article was published in the Dayton Daily News.

    http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...0037/1055/NEWS

    I'm dubious about the claims and don't have the skills to detect if the document as published on his site has been forged or tampered with. The only thing that bothers me is that it looks like a document that was produced yesterday...I mean...with the computer fonts and all that. I was born in the early '50s. I have my birth certificate. It was typed on a typewriter, not a computer. Not sure what the norm was in 1961.

    Anyone here born in that era?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    mostly to enable those SW readers who aren't drinking CNBC KoolAid to prepare themselves for the likely impact of an Obama presidency + supermajorities in the US congress.
    i read, i listen and i watch msnbc, cnn, AND fox news...

    fox news is racist, bias bullshit. Its fuckin ridiculous and anyone who follows that news is RETARDED!

    i will admit that msnbc is very left wing and is sometimes too bias. But they are much more fair and respectful when it comes to the issues.

    Cnn is by far the most fair and balanced.

    I watch all of them so i can make my own judgements.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Mia Roberts View Post
    i read, i listen and i watch msnbc, cnn, AND fox news...

    fox news is racist, bias bullshit. Its fuckin ridiculous and anyone who follows that news is RETARDED!

    i will admit that msnbc is very left wing and is sometimes too bias. But they are much more fair and respectful when it comes to the issues.

    Cnn is by far the most fair and balanced.

    I watch all of them so i can make my own judgements.
    No, FOX is not racist (when you say something like that YOU sound ignorant) or bullshit. Yes, they are extremely bias. But they make it clear, they admit there a news stations that is right leaning.

    MSNBC on the other hand, denies being anything other than totally fair. They claim to report everything as fairly and accurately as possible. What they do is much worse than what FOX does.

    CNN is all over the board, this election they've leaned left, last election they leaned right. They lean right on the War. But I do agree, they are better than the other two, and the only one I can stomach reading/listening too.

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    BTW, something is biased, but has bias

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    It very well could have been produced yesterday. It definitely was produced within the last seven years. In the bottom left corner is a form number "OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER".

    This does not mean it's a forgery. All it means is it's not an original.

    I had an original birth certificate which, like yours, looked like it was typed up on an old manual Royal typewriter. It was lost and I needed to get it replaced. The replacement is a spiffy new laser printed version on a 4/2001 form. It's genuine and accurate.
    I didn't see it. Maybe it was scanned and reprinted by a laserprinter. Wonder if any state saves them on microfiche for archiving?
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    just when you thought that it was safe to forget about this little issue ...



    Yes, that's correct. The Donofrio lawsuit against the New Jersey Secretary of State - requesting proof of Barack Obama's qualification to be President i.e. 'natural born citizen' status - has been scheduled for a US Supreme Court conference on December 5th.

    (snip)"There has been much confusion regarding Barack Obama’s eligibility and the aspect of Leo Donofrio’s lawsuit that sets it apart is his claim that Obama does not meet the constitutional definition of Natural Born Citizen. Here is an explanation from Leo Donofrio:

    “Don’t be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama’s ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama’s father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama’s birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen “at birth”, just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be eligible to be President.

    The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that’s why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not “natural born Citizens”.

    Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; That’s it right there. (Emphasis added.)

    The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn’t want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.

    The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as “natural born Citizens”, so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.

    But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.

    The Framers distinguished between “natural born Citizens” and all other “Citizens”. And that’s why it’s important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of “Citizen”, not “natural born Citizen”. The Framers were Citizens, but they weren’t natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document. Since the the Framers didn’t consider themselves to have been “natural born Citizens” due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a “natural born Citizen” of the United States.

    Brack Obama’s official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he was a British Citizen at birth. At the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto:

    FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship
    “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

    Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

    That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen “at birth”.

    My law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship “at birth” and therefore split loyalties “at birth”, he is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States. A “natural born citizen” would have no other jurisdiction over him “at birth” other than that of the United States. The Framers chose the words “natural born” and those words cannot be ignored. The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, “natural born citizen”, pertains to the status of the person’s citizenship “at birth”."(snip)

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    The US does not recognize dual citizenship. If you are dual american and something else, they don't care about the something else, they classify you as an american. nObama's mom was a full us citizen. As much as I think he is a full of shit socialist politician, this is grasping at straws.

    I was born in a foreign (European) country. My dad was a full blooded american who was stationed overseas, my mom was from S America. Upon birth, they did renounce my ciaim to any citizenship of that country.

    Just because nObama's parents didn't renounce the british citizenship, doesn't mean his american citizenship is renounced .
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    ^^^ agreed. However, the situation between Barack Obama and yourself is different. Your father was a US citizen over the age of 18, and you were born under US jurisdiction (i.e. a US military base albeit on foreign soil). Barack Obama's father was a British citizen, his mother was a US citizen (however one that was NOT over the age of 18 at the time of his birth), and under treaties his citizenship was governed by the jurisdiction of the UK Nationality Act of 1948 regardless of Barack's actual place of birth.

    Undoubtedly, today Barack Obama is a US citizen, but that is not the question ... with the question being that 'natural born citizenship' is required to be eligible for the office of President ( much to the chagrin of Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is also a US citizen but not a 'natural born citizen' ). At any rate, the Supreme Court will have the chance to settle this issue once and for all in a couple of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    No, FOX is not racist (when you say something like that YOU sound ignorant) or bullshit.
    That would be a matter of opinion.

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    Nope. My parents met in Europe (both were working there). I was born in a local hospital, my father worked out of the Embassy, and there were not US bases there. When my mom first came to the US, they weren't going to let her in. She said you have too, my 3 children (that were with her) are US citizens. lol They relented. I don't know if they had done citizenship by marriage forms yet, but it could have been due to her native politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    No, FOX is not racist (when you say something like that YOU sound ignorant) or bullshit. Yes, they are extremely bias. But they make it clear, they admit there a news stations that is right leaning.

    MSNBC on the other hand, denies being anything other than totally fair. They claim to report everything as fairly and accurately as possible. What they do is much worse than what FOX does.

    CNN is all over the board, this election they've leaned left, last election they leaned right. They lean right on the War. But I do agree, they are better than the other two, and the only one I can stomach reading/listening too.

    Fox is right leaning? They are the most objective (politically) news group out there. When a rightie speaks, so does a leftie. I watched Headlin Nes (CNN) the other day, and it was interjected with a woman spouting leftist commentary. At no time did they have a rightist commentator, nor even debate the issue.

    They may seem far right, but only because the others are so far left.
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    She said you have too, my 3 children (that were with her) are US citizens. lol They relented.
    well, based on the info you have provided, YOU aren't eligible to run for President because you are not a 'natural born' Citizen - unless there is some special rule applying to the children of US Embassy personnel based on all Embassies being considered to be the 'soil' of the Embassy country regardless of what country they happen to be located in (noting that neither Obama's mother or father had US diplomatic credentials).

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    He was navy, just happened to be stationed at the Embassy.

    Naturalization Act of 1790 "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."


    You're making me look bad, people are going to get the impression that I actually support nObama. As if.
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    ^^^ and that is true if BOTH parents were citizens of the United States. Current law states that if only one parent is a US citizen, that certain age / physical residency requirements within the USA apply to the US citizen parent in order to automatically 'transfer' US citizenship.

    For the record, I seriously doubt whether this 'natural born citizen' issue will gain much traction. However, the Supreme Court is definitely going to take a look at the Donofrio case. I'm certainly no expert, but it would seem that the only joker in the deck may be Obama's Hawaiian 'Certification of Live Birth' ... which is not the same as a 'Hawaiian Birth Certificate'. In theory, Obama's mother could have registered Obama's 'Certification of Live Birth' in Hawaii even if he was previously born in Kenya. The pertinent info regarding the hospital / doctor etc. has not been made public by Obama. The difference of course is that the child of a 'foreign' father and a US mother ... but a US mother who does not meet the age / physical residency requirements for automatic 'transfer' of US citizenship ... would have lots of problems with US immigration had he actually been born in Kenya.

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    IIRC the residency requirement is if they were born outside of the US. Wasn't nObama born in Hawaii? A few years after it became a state? Is there proof of the renouncing of his US citizenship?
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    ^^^ well this is a point raised by different lawsuits ... that it's possible for a Hawaiian mother to obtain a Hawaiian 'Certificate of Live Birth' without having to actually give birth to the child in Hawaii !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ well this is a point raised by different lawsuits ... that it's possible for a Hawaiian mother to obtain a Hawaiian 'Certificate of Live Birth' without having to actually give birth to the child in Hawaii !!!

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=XqOLREmCJOo

    You see, these are pull something up and hope it floats.

    On the Hawaiin CoLB, is that Hawaiian or Hawaiian? Native Hawaiians can get away with more. Also, his mom didn't even move to Hawaii until 1960. I doubt she would have known about 'local ways' in a year.

    An Ambassador saying something he didn't witness is also laughable. There are many countries, cities, states that adopt a 'native son'. Look at the tourism market they stand to gain.
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    Geez, I don't even like the guy, and here I am defending him. Go figure...........

    Where is the pudding.

    By all accounts, his mother moved away from Seattle area after she graduated. She went to Hawaii for college. In the first semester, she got preggers (Novemberish). Married a 3 months preggers, then nObama came out in August.

    If that is accurate, she would have been 17 y/o when she got preggers, which is lsss than a month before her 18th b/d.

    Yes, he was married, so the marriage may not have been legal or recognized by the US. So, his nationality doesn't matter then, right? His mother was 18 when he was born, as well as a native american who resided in the US for (what seems like) all of her life (to that point).

    That would mean he is native american, regardless of where he was born at.

    What am I missing?
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    ^^^ what you are missing are the age requirements in US law regarding the transfer of US citizenship when only one parent is a US citizen. From one of the other lawsuit discussions ...


    (snip)US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. "(snip)

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    Melonie stop copy/pasting form FW:FW:FW emails. What you posted isn't correct.


    Those qualifictions are only for people who were NOT born in the US (see http://immigration.findlaw.com/immig...u-know(1).html)

    This explains how to handle citizenship for people who were not born in the US but one or both parents were citizens.


    I had my daughter at 17 and her father was from Trinidad. He did not have citizenship in the US but my daughter is still a natural born citizen.

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    ^^^ what you are missing are the age requirements in US law regarding the transfer of US citizenship when only one parent is a US citizen. From one of the other lawsuit discussions ...


    (snip)US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. "(snip)

    Yes, but this is the same thing Dummy Democrats tried to do with the chad thing in Florida when Al Gore lost the election. They took a sentence concerning another style of voting (written vs chad) and tried to apply it to the chad system. Wrong. What you are applying is if the parent was not a native born, but naturalized. There are different types of 'citizenship', and some rules don't apply to each. Just like I was an natural born American at birth. The US Embassy even gave me my birth certificate.
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