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    I've been asked more than once why I have given money to Obama's campaign and why I am voting FOR him. Not just against McCain but FOR Obama. Christopher Buckley ( WFB's only child ) has set out most of it on Tina Brown's Thedailybeast.com and I defer to his superior wit and intellect.

    Like Chris Buckley, I am a small "c" conservative who believes in small government. As Buckley points out, the Republicans of recent vintage have been anything but, starting with one of the worst Presidents in our history. The descendants of Buchanon, Fillmore, Tyler and Hoover can be gratified that their ancestors now have competition for the title of "THE Worst".

    Bush often says that "history will judge" but when the national debt doubled in just eight years; when he gave us a huge new entitlement program ( two if you count NCLB ) and worst of all an "ill conceived and ill waged war" that was one of choice and not of necessity; it's hard for me to conceive how history could EVER let Bush off the hook as "THE WORST". In medicine and a lot of other areas the FIRST RULE is : "Do No Harm".

    Leaving aside the ravings of some of the WOW alarmists ( that means "Watch Out 'Whitey' " btw) which aren't worthy of notice, let alone response, I just don't see anything terrible about Obama. I haven't read either of his books cover to cover but from what I have read, he demonstrates an intellect and temperament superior to both McCain and the current occupant. Sorry if I appear to be damning
    Obama with faint praise. It's not my fault that Bush has lowered the bar so low.

    One of the things I like most about Obama is his humility and appreciation for humility as an element of good governance. McCain likes to make much of the contrast between his response and Obama's when they made a joint appearance
    at Rick Warren's confab and they were asked whether they believed there " was evil in the world and what they would do about it ". McCain said " you defeat it". Obama said that evil exists and has to be confronted BUT that it should be assessed and approached with HUMILITY. Considering how incredibly arrogant Bush has been and the consequences of his arrogance; a humbler President would be both refreshing not to mention necessary.

    While Obama hasn't been a paragon of consistency; neither has any other candidate since Reagan. McCain on the other hand has been all over the map.Not only has he betrayed his own principles for political expedience but he has totally abandoned them. He has literally hired the same political goon squad that threw so much barnyard waste at him in South Carolina in 2000. I wouldn't be in the same room with people like that and I'd never hire them to work for me. He claims to be a conservative yet prides himself on his "bi-partisanship". Don't worry if you're confused; so is McCain. There are serious self esteem issues here and serious flaws in both character and temperament. If this campaign can change McCain as it has; what will governing do to the guy ? I'd rather not find out.

    There is no doubt that Obama is a left-wing Liberal but unlike Gore and Kerry he has a first class brain and unlike Hillary he has a track record of decency and good grace. I can listen to four years of Obama speeches in contrast to Hillary's shrill voice. Another corollary benefit is that Hillary and Bill will be kept away from the levers of power. Hillary has admitted that she won't run again ( Yeah, yeah we all know she had her fingers crossed about 2012 ) and that she won't be put on the Supreme Court. Duh. She was NEVER QUALIFIED ! Obama is probably smart enough to know that if he governs like a left-wing loon he'll set the stage for a Republican resurgence that will dwarf the " Reagan Revolution" in size; scope and most importantly LENGTH. History proves that there's a big difference between campaign rhetoric and actual policy.

    Obama is much more likely to get us out of Iraq than McCain regardless of whether or not the "surge" is " working".

    Rather than prattle on, I'm doing this year what I usually do when voting. I'm voting for the smartest candidate.
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    I'm hoping more people will see things this way. Obama really is a better choice than McCain at this point. The current conservatives are NOT conservatives at all and they need to be completely ousted and replaced by true conservatives. Of course I don't agree with conservatives most of the time but these characters that are claiming the name now are just terrible and they are acting very much the opposite of the Republican fundamentals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    I'm hoping more people will see things this way. Obama really is a better choice than McCain at this point. The current conservatives are NOT conservatives at all and they need to be completely ousted and replaced by true conservatives. Of course I don't agree with conservatives most of the time but these characters that are claiming the name now are just terrible and they are acting very much the opposite of the Republican fundamentals.
    It's not just that. What I find disturbing; as do many other conservatives with the ability to THINK; is the thinly veiled racism behind some of the opposition to Obama . Without being racist per se; the McCain campaign ( and some of its cheerleaders like Hannity, Limbaugh and Levin ) is clearly HOPING that he will get votes for no reason other than the fact Obama is black and he's white. And they are trying to encourage just that.

    McCain opened this Pandora's Box by trying to tie Obama to Ayers; ACORN and Alinsky. They've done everything but try to paint Obama as a "Junior Black Panther" when he was growing up and then when somebody like that fat dumb bitch gets up at a McCain rally and says Obama is a Muslim; McCain is forced to try to close the lid and say "No. He's a decent family man."

    Rather than select somebody like Romney who could clearly explain sound tax and economic policy; McCain picked Palin because he NEEDED TO SECURE HIS BASE. He had trouble with conservatives because he has NOT been a conservative. Rather than appeal to Independents; he tried to rally his base.

    Although she is appealing as a person and might even be a fairly good Governor, the facts are plain that Palin simply lacks the knowledge and experience to be competent Veep a "heartbeat away". Even her biggest fans do not try to ratify her resume. Instead they talk about the "enthusiasm" she creates at her rallies and her ability to "connect with people" like parents of children with Down's Syndrome. That's all well and good but still does nothing to make her qualified to lead anything other than a pep rally.

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    I agree 100%(well...except for Reagan..not sure what you were trying to say about him,but he was a HORRIBLE president. Just ask all the veterans whose benefits he took away like my father in law who had to live with my husband,then with both of us instead of being able to be independent which killed him a little inside)

    I actually had a guy last night who said he would NOT vote for Obama even though the only reason he could give was that he had a Muslim name. Yeah..way to be up on the candidates and vote for the right reasons asshole.

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    I kinda wish those people would just come out and say, "Obama's a NIGGER! Do you want a NIGGER running the country?!" and get it out of the way and off their chests. I mean, quit beating around the fucking bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKXXX View Post
    I agree 100%(well...except for Reagan..not sure what you were trying to say about him,but he was a HORRIBLE president. Just ask all the veterans whose benefits he took away like my father in law who had to live with my husband,then with both of us instead of being able to be independent which killed him a little inside)

    I actually had a guy last night who said he would NOT vote for Obama even though the only reason he could give was that he had a Muslim name. Yeah..way to be up on the candidates and vote for the right reasons asshole.
    How was Reagan a "horrible" president ? He won the Cold War and gave us, what up until then, was the longest period of economic growth the U.s. had ever seen.

    Reagan did not take away ANY Veterans benefits afaik. What are you referring to ? I couldn't find any Reagan cuts for Veterans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    I kinda wish those people would just come out and say, "Obama's a NIGGER! Do you want a NIGGER running the country?!" and get it out of the way and off their chests. I mean, quit beating around the fucking bush.
    I think some people are saying just that. Maybe not in polite company or over the airwaves but they are saying it.

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    they are saying it in the implication that obama can't win in a landslide without unimaginable levels of fraud. they are saying it in the implication that the polls showing huge obama leads are 'lying' and 'rigged'.

    obama has a legitimate chance at 400+ EVs (although 300-350 is more likely right now), but already you hear republican types saying 'if he wins by a landslide, it was because mickey mouse voted 20 times for him'.

    plus, it makes me SICK that Barack Obama, with a BIBLICAL FIRST NAME (all the right wing christians comparing palin to the ruler deborah mysteriously forget that her war leader was named barak/barack), is still being flagged as both muslim (as if being a muslim is bad) and a terrorist by the rabid evangelical part of the repub base.

    it's just so loathsome to see how right-wing christians have sold their faith out to worship republican leaders instead of God. but that is a very long rant for a whole nother day.

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    i love that man. he has the most basic of fundamentals.
    COMMON SENSE.
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    Obama is probably smart enough to know that if he governs like a left-wing loon he'll set the stage for a Republican resurgence that will dwarf the " Reagan Revolution" in size; scope and most importantly LENGTH.
    this is precisely the reason that I also support Obama over McCain. However, I am assuming that Obama will have no choice but to govern like a left-wing loon due to the 'debts' he owes to far left special interest groups / low income voters etc.. As you say, such a development is likely to result in a huge anti-liberal backlash in the 2012 election.

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    im shocked melonie. i really didnt think you had a drop of sense in that head of yours.
    i take that back. you know money like nobody's business.

    i dont believe he will bend to the radical left. he's so opposite of bush and mccain already that it really cant be hidden. there is no question of where he stands.

    he no longer has to prove his "allegiance" to those special interest, low income voters, if he ever did
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    How was Reagan a "horrible" president ? He won the Cold War and gave us, what up until then, was the longest period of economic growth the U.s. had ever seen.

    Reagan did not take away ANY Veterans benefits afaik. What are you referring to ? I couldn't find any Reagan cuts for Veterans.
    Yes he did,,I witnessed it firsthand. It was a "peace dividend" and the money was redistributed to arms.It was lumped into budget cuts for things like welfare(he DID stop welfare mothers from having kids to get more money..I'll give him that) I knew a TON of vets growing up and so did my husband. Before Reagan they could go to any VA hospital in the country and get treated whether they had money or not. Reagan stopped that.

    And he didnt end the Cold War. He wanted to put missiles on the moon pointed at Russia! The Cold War didnt officially end until the 90's when the USSR folded.

    More Reagan horrible-ness:

    http://primarybuzz.com/index.php?art...2&sectionID=39

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all
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    how did he stop welfare mothers from having more kids for money? i mean they still get more money for more kids.
    but really, i think very few people would have more kids for more money. welfare is not living high on the hog, welfare is poverty level living. and i dont think anyone would have more kids so they could live in poverty.
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    how did he stop welfare mothers from having more kids for money? i mean they still get more money for more kids.
    but really, i think very few people would have more kids for more money. welfare is not living high on the hog, welfare is poverty level living. and i dont think anyone would have more kids so they could live in poverty.
    Some of it has since been overturned,but most places do not give you more money for children born after you begin welfare.

    And sadly..I've known people who DID have more kids just to get bigger checks. It happens.

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    thats crazy.....
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    I kinda wish those people would just come out and say, "Obama's a NIGGER! Do you want a NIGGER running the country?!" and get it out of the way and off their chests. I mean, quit beating around the fucking bush.
    This is so weird cuz I was JUST thinking this tonight. Just say you don't want a black president and shut up about it. I can deal with that. But the whole grasping for straws thing is just ridiculous.

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    I think some people are saying just that. Maybe not in polite company or over the airwaves but they are saying it.
    That's exactly what people are saying when they believe they are in like minded company.
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    how did he stop welfare mothers from having more kids for money? i mean they still get more money for more kids.

    And sadly..I've known people who DID have more kids just to get bigger checks. It happens.
    and today many of those kids are old enough to vote !!! And it's highly unlikely that they're voting for McCain !

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    Yes he did,,I witnessed it firsthand. It was a "peace dividend" and the money was redistributed to arms.It was lumped into budget cuts for things like welfare(he DID stop welfare mothers from having kids to get more money..I'll give him that) I knew a TON of vets growing up and so did my husband. Before Reagan they could go to any VA hospital in the country and get treated whether they had money or not. Reagan stopped that.

    And he didnt end the Cold War. He wanted to put missiles on the moon pointed at Russia! The Cold War didnt officially end until the 90's when the USSR folded.

    More Reagan horrible-ness:

    http://primarybuzz.com/index.php?art...2&sectionID=39

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all
    Here we go again. Sorry. Won't wash. Facts are being their troublesome little selves.

    The "peace dividend" did not even start being talked about until George H.W. Bush became president in 1989.

    Welfare Reform was passed under C L I N T O N in 1995. And btw, since salaried workers do not get raises just because they or their wives have had another child; why should welfare mothers ? Wasn't it amazing how responsible behavior came into vogue when the taxpayers stopped subsidizing irresponsible sex and child-bearing ?

    Reagan did NOTHING to affect Veteran's health benefits or access to V.A. Hospitals which for veterans was and still is ABSOLUTE.

    Reagan showed the Soviets that they simply couldn't compete and match us in an arms race. As a result Gorbachev signed the FIRST Arms R E D U C T IO N Treaty with REAGAN. Part of the "gun" pointed at Gobachev's head that forced him to agree was the prospect of trying to compete with Reagan's PROPOSED "Star Wars" program which did not involve using the Moon.

    You're posting classic Liberal Reagan bashing. Nobody gets Libs more worked up than Reagan because he was so successful. And not just compared to Carter. The problems given to us by Republicans of late are directly related to how far they have strayed from Reaganism.

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    Sorry no. I saw it FIRSTHAND. People I KNEW were suddenly denied access to VA hospitals under REAGAN. And I provided links to back that up. I know facts arent your strong point...but argue all you want. I lived it. So I know its true. These people were FRIENDS..FAMILY...how DARE you tell me this didnt happen to them when I damn well know it DID. And proved it.

    Blowing up missiles from space...Reagans Star Wars speech bashing the Soviet Union. Yeah...way to end the cold war

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war...arwars.speech/

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    Sorry no. I saw it FIRSTHAND. People I KNEW were suddenly denied access to VA hospitals under REAGAN. And I provided links to back that up. I know facts arent your strong point...but argue all you want. I lived it. So I know its true. These people were FRIENDS..FAMILY...how DARE you tell me this didnt happen to them when I damn well know it DID. And proved it.

    Blowing up missiles from space...Reagans Star Wars speech bashing the Soviet Union. Yeah...way to end the cold war

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war...arwars.speech/
    How and WHY were they denied access to V.A. Hospitals ? WHEN did this happen ? What eventually happened to them ? Did they get treatment ? WHERE ?
    Gimme the facts. Just the facts ma'am. Back it up . Prove it.

    Combat veterans and retired military are GUARANTEED treatment at V.A. Hospitals.
    By law. If they were IMPROPERLY denied they'd have a great lawsuit. Did they pursue it ? Did they go to their Congressmen ? What happened ?

    Lay out the facts. Maybe it did happen. Snafus are inherent to the military.

    As for Reagan's Star Wars program- IT WORKED. It got the Soviets to negotiate
    Arms REDUCTION. Gorbachev has PUBLICLY said so. If you don't like it, argue with him.

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    I'm not giving out names,but this happened mostly in PA and NJ,they were turned away because their VA benefits were taken away and no they did not get treatment.
    And it WAS under Reagan. They did not pursue it because they didnt have the means or knowledge to do so. And these were men who had been treated at VA hospitals for years,some since WW2.

    I know a shitload of vets that hate him with a passion because of this.

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    Under the Reagan administration the dollar was so devalued that many of the country's corporations sold significant assets to foreign countries like Japan. This was because of huge deficit spending. you could say it was worth it because the "Star Wars" initiative sacred the commies which involved missile shooting and anti-missile shooting statellites. They never could have produced science fiction movies as well as could have the Americans.
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    this is precisely the reason that I also support Obama over McCain. However, I am assuming that Obama will have no choice but to govern like a left-wing loon due to the 'debts' he owes to far left special interest groups / low income voters etc.. As you say, such a development is likely to result in a huge anti-liberal backlash in the 2012 election.
    GWB didn't seem to care about his "debts" to his base. So much for smaller government and no nation building, blah, blah, blah...


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    How was Reagan a "horrible" president ? He won the Cold War and gave us, what up until then, was the longest period of economic growth the U.s. had ever seen.

    Reagan did not take away ANY Veterans benefits afaik. What are you referring to ? I couldn't find any Reagan cuts for Veterans.
    Vets bennies aside, Reagan set a president that created the destruction of our economy today.

    *The Union busting Prez assisted with the reduction in blue collar wages and set the stage for the outsourcing of American jobs and the new lows that American wages have reached today

    *Reagan had an opportunity to address illegal immigration, but instead decided to give amnesty to those here illegally, thereby creating the immigrant tsunami we are experiencing today.

    *Reagan created supply-side economics (which is referred to today as "trickle down" that doesn't trickle anywhere but into lobbying organizations)

    *Reagan taxed people's unemployment payments for the first time since the creation of that social program.

    *Reagan drastically cut educational funding, putting the US further behind the curve for the world labor market.

    *He created historically huge deficits in the federal budget

    *Many of Reagan's tax cuts are just now showing their results in the crumbling infrastructure, the poor quality of education, our totally fucked up Health Care system, our inability to manufacture or produce anything.

    *GW Bush modeled his entire presidency (the last few months aside) on Reagan. Supply-side economics not only is a bad idea, it has resulated in our current economic collapse.

    *Reagan did make America safe from space aliens. Whew! Dennis Kuncinich and I were both very concerned about that.


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