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    Here are the top eight ( reasons Conservatives like Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity, Crowley and Ingraham advance for opposing Obama :

    1. HE WILL RAISE TAXES

    Well, most people are supposed to get a tax cut.His proposed increases are not that big i.e. there is not a return to the confiscatory rates of the past. If he's dumb enough to raise taxes during a real recession, then HE will get credit for causing a worse recession or a Depression, won't he ?

    2. HE WILL ADMIT DEFEAT IN IRAQ AND WITHDRAW.

    A bad idea ; WHY ?
    I'm sorry but I just don't see a downside.

    3. HE WILL PUT MORE TROOPS INTO AFGHANISTAN

    Not a bad idea since the consensus is that we are LOSING and more of our guys are getting killed there than in Iraq.

    4. HE WILL REIMPOSE THE "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE"

    Not that I know of but let's assume he and the Dems in Congress do. That means Rush might have to have a "liberal" guest once in a while. Horrors ! Eeek ! It ALSO means that Olberman is going to have people on he doesn't agree with; that Matthews will have to have more Conservatives and poor George Will won't be the only "Conservative" on THIS WEEK WITH GEORGE and THE VIEW is going to either drop Joy or add 2 more Conservative gals and Bill Maher will have to have Conservatives on a regular basis and not just 1 per month.

    Once the Libs figure out what a "Fairness Doctrine" will do to some of their most beloved programming, I think that's the last we'll hear about it.

    5. HE WILL APPOINT LIBERALS TO THE SUPREME COURT

    Uh, yeah. That's how it works when you win the White House. They'll be within the same general mainstream of thought as Republican appointees; just more to the left.

    6. HE IS GOING TO GIVE US NATIONAL HEALTH CARE

    He's going to expand the number of people covered but his plan still leaves about 17 million people uninsured. Obviously the question is HOW he's going to pay for it.

    7. HE'S GOING TO EXPAND FEDERAL SPENDING

    What do they think Bush did ? He doubled the National Debt. Most of Obama's proposed spending is targeted at infrastructure and alternative energy. As opposed to sending a manned space mission to Mars ?

    8. BILL AYERS; REVEREND WRIGHT and ACORN

    Fox News' own "expose" showed Obama's connections to Ayers to have been rather tenuous. If he proposes him as Secretary pf Education, I'll worry about him. Reverend Wright is going to end up with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton : On the outside looking in and so long as he doesn't give Federal grants to ACORN, let them sign up as many dead people and cartoon characters that they want.


    To listen to some of these folks, it's like they've been living in a time warp. Who do they think had total control of all 3 power centers in Washington for six (6) years. Four, if you count the Supreme Court. The Incumbents are held responsible for how things go on their watch. That's just the way it works. While none of them are crazy enough to try and paint Bush as a "success" ( though Lord knows Coulter, Crowley ,Hannity and Levin do their best ) they are incapable of recognizing how he has seriously damaged Conservatism. Aside from tax cuts that worked; I can't point to a single Bush success. I look at his Cabinet and other appointments and it's a non-stop list of mediocrity and failure.

    I think it's high time for the "Loyal Opposition" to buck up and start raising money.
    (It's deliciously ironic that the author of McCain - Feingold is being outspent 5 to 1. ) A lot of Conservatives have already accepted reality and are ready to move on :Newt Gingrich; Pat Buchanon; George Will; Peggy Noonan and David Brooks, just to name a few. Most of the rest are just embarassing themselves.

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    Eric stop making sense! I'm getting really sick and tired of agreeing with you lately.
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    ^^^ Hahaha amen.

    Oh you forgot my personal favorite: he's a Muslim!

    You know how Melonie said that when Obama fails miserably we'll have another "Reagan Revolution" type thing? More like an Obama Revolution...

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    Um, Eric, are you tryin' to get some lovin'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Here are the top eight ( reasons Conservatives like Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity, Crowley and Ingraham advance for opposing Obama :

    1. HE WILL RAISE TAXES

    Well, most people are supposed to get a tax cut.His proposed increases are not that big i.e. there is not a return to the confiscatory rates of the past. If he's dumb enough to raise taxes during a real recession, then HE will get credit for causing a worse recession or a Depression, won't he ?

    2. HE WILL ADMIT DEFEAT IN IRAQ AND WITHDRAW.

    A bad idea ; WHY ?
    I'm sorry but I just don't see a downside.

    3. HE WILL PUT MORE TROOPS INTO AFGHANISTAN

    Not a bad idea since the consensus is that we are LOSING and more of our guys are getting killed there than in Iraq.

    4. HE WILL REIMPOSE THE "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE"

    Not that I know of but let's assume he and the Dems in Congress do. That means Rush might have to have a "liberal" guest once in a while. Horrors ! Eeek ! It ALSO means that Olberman is going to have people on he doesn't agree with; that Matthews will have to have more Conservatives and poor George Will won't be the only "Conservative" on THIS WEEK WITH GEORGE and THE VIEW is going to either drop Joy or add 2 more Conservative gals and Bill Maher will have to have Conservatives on a regular basis and not just 1 per month.

    Once the Libs figure out what a "Fairness Doctrine" will do to some of their most beloved programming, I think that's the last we'll hear about it.

    5. HE WILL APPOINT LIBERALS TO THE SUPREME COURT

    Uh, yeah. That's how it works when you win the White House. They'll be within the same general mainstream of thought as Republican appointees; just more to the left.

    6. HE IS GOING TO GIVE US NATIONAL HEALTH CARE

    He's going to expand the number of people covered but his plan still leaves about 17 million people uninsured. Obviously the question is HOW he's going to pay for it.

    7. HE'S GOING TO EXPAND FEDERAL SPENDING

    What do they think Bush did ? He doubled the National Debt. Most of Obama's proposed spending is targeted at infrastructure and alternative energy. As opposed to sending a manned space mission to Mars ?

    8. BILL AYERS; REVEREND WRIGHT and ACORN

    Fox News' own "expose" showed Obama's connections to Ayers to have been rather tenuous. If he proposes him as Secretary pf Education, I'll worry about him. Reverend Wright is going to end up with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton : On the outside looking in and so long as he doesn't give Federal grants to ACORN, let them sign up as many dead people and cartoon characters that they want.
    1. He can't just make the tax raises he claims and pay for the programs.

    2. If he does this wrongly, it will be very bad. More than likely though it'll be taken care of before he gets there.

    3. More money going out, after he's already talked about how much we've wasted. Not to mention that's even more money coming out our pockets.

    4. I agree it will probably never happen, but it shouldn't happen, and the threat it enough for me.

    5. What's wrong with that fear? It's totally appropriate and make's sense if your a conservative?? I personally am very afraid of the liberals he might pick and then would get through congress. Obama's about as left as they get.

    6. If he does this appropriate I'll be ok with it, but a lot of people are totally against it and again it makes sense for a conservative to not like it. Plus, more money.

    7. Obama's spending is going to be more than infrastructure if he keeps his 'promises'. Where's this money gonna come from? He can't cut defense like Clinton if he's gonna keep us in Afghanistan.

    8. Some sketchy connections, but in my opinion, who cares? I agree with you on this one.

    My main issue is either we're gonna see two things: Either he doesn't implement the things he's promised (most likely), or he gets the money from the tax payers. The middle class (also likely).

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    My main issue is either we're gonna see two things: Either he doesn't implement the things he's promised (most likely), or he gets the money from the tax payers. The middle class (also likely).
    There is also 'door number 3' ... simply having the FED print up as much new money as is needed. Of course the effect of this will be major increases in the price of oil / food / everything imported ... plus sky high interest rates as the rest of the world becomes ever more reluctant to loan America money.

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    I guess that at the end of the day none of us really know what he'll do once he's in office. Let's hope for the best!

    Personally, I think he'll at least be more effective than GWB... which isn't saying much. haha.

    Nah but I have faith. There's not much else to do at this point, right? Except cast the almost meaningless vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francescadubois View Post
    Um, Eric, are you tryin' to get some lovin'?
    No. What I want is for the Republicans to purge themselves of the "KOOKS"; what Limbaugh calls the "Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Society".

    Just in the past month, conservatives David Brooks, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, Kathleen Parker and George Will have all disapproved of selecting someone with Palin's lack of knowledge, experience and basic curiosity about world events.

    Will has blasted McCain for giving us McCain- Feingold as well as "fact-free slander" and substituting "vehemence for coherence".

    Wick Allison, former publisher of NATIONAL REVIEW says that today's conservatism has "produced financial mismanagement, the waste of human lives, the loss of moral authority and the wreckage of our economy" which McCain threatens to worsen.

    Christopher Buckley has been "fatwahed" by the Conservative Movement for endorsing Obama, many of whom owe their livelihoods and reputations to his father. Conservatives are being left with paranoid, angry, xenophobes instead of thoughtful leaders. It wasn't that long ago that the Republicans had a solid cadre of THINKERS versed in history, philosophy, SCIENCE, economics and foreign relations. They've been replaced by religious zealots and amoral political operatives like Karl Rove. Look at what Bush did to the Justice Department selecting lawyers based on "God, Guns and Gays" instead of academic and legal merit.

    Republicans desperately need a "time-out" to sit in the corner and seriously THINK. An activity replaced in recent years by prayer and Bible study. William F. Buckley spent his career purging conservatism of "kooks" which meant John Birchers and anti-semites. Now it's time to do likewise and get rid of the religious nuts and replace them with intellectual fruits.

    Time was, the Libs were the ones elevating feelings over facts and style over substance. Today, it's Bush and his kooky "conservative" enablers who have done just that. Republicans deserve to lose and NEED to lose. A few years in the political "wilderness" will do them and the country a world of good.

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    Once again, I agree. I am mostly in opposition to Republican ideals but they do have some really good points (like low government spending which I'm all for as long as no one is left out in the cold because of it). What the party has become is like Bizzaro Conservatism. They don't like government interference in their affairs except when it comes to gays or abortion. The government is HUGE and the spending is out of control; both things that they supposedly abhor. What's going on Conservatives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    Once again, I agree. I am mostly in opposition to Republican ideals but they do have some really good points (like low government spending which I'm all for as long as no one is left out in the cold because of it). What the party has become is like Bizzaro Conservatism. They don't like government interference in their affairs except when it comes to gays or abortion. The government is HUGE and the spending is out of control; both things that they supposedly abhor. What's going on Conservatives?
    They didn't listen to me.

    Bush turned me off during the Republican primaries of 2000. He was at a debate and the question was : "What political thinker or philosopher has had the most influence on you ? " The other candidates responded thoughtfully with names like Locke; Jefferson, Hobbes and Teddy Roosevelt. Bush said "Christ" and when asked " why him" said "because he changed my heart" and when pressed to explain what about Christian philosophy was applicable to modern political issues Bush said : " if I have to explain it you, you'll never know." To me, it was blatant pandering and tellingly vapid. Shortly thereafter, Bush spoke at Bob Jones University. The most troubling thing was that Bush got away with it.

    Reagan built a "big tent" that welcomed a wide variety and broad spectrum of adherents. While being respectful to the "Religious Right", Reagan mostly paid them lip service and did NOT turn over entire Departments to them. Bush turned the Justice Department over to Asscroft and then Gonzalez. Even worse, he had Monica Goodling, a grad of Pat Robertson's Law School who flunked her bar exam pass judgement on who got hired as Asst. A.G's and Asst. U.S. Attorneys.

    He appointed as head of the FDA a religious nut who wrote a book advocating prayer as a treatment for menstrual pain. How's that working out for you ladies ?

    Bush has continually let religious faith trump FACTS and SCIENCE.

    His biggest problems were his own arrogance and valuing loyalty over competence. It wasn't until just about everything went down the toilet that he FINALLY got rid of Rumsfeld. It took five years, FIVE YEARS ! to adopt a program that has a chance to work in Iraq. Up until the beginning of the year, all Bush could say was that : "Iraq is hard work."

    Aside from Bush, the basic problem has been a shift away from intellectual rigor and merit in favor of RATINGS. Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, ANN COULTER, Mark Levin et. al. have replaced William F. Buckley, Milton Friedman and Arthur Laffer.
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    ^^ You got that right !!


    As opposed to a nut case friend of mine who thinks Bush is one of the country';s four best presidents. Of course the guy listens to Limbaugh regularly and probably believes everything that comedic idiot says.

    Plus I think Bush is just not very bright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    ^^ You got that right !!


    As opposed to a nut case friend of mine who thinks Bush is one of the country';s four best presidents. Of course the guy listens to Limbaugh regularly and probably believes everything that comedic idiot says.

    Plus I think Bush is just not very bright.
    As much as I like Rush, I don't understand why he likes Bush so much. On any objective basis, Bush is one of our Five WORST Presidents- Carter, Hoover, Fillmore, Buchanon and BUSH. G.Dubya has NOT been a conservative except in the most superficial of ways.

    It's not that Bush is stupid. He just appears to be by being inarticulate. His problem is his arrogance and stubborness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    G.Dubya has NOT been a conservative except in the most superficial of ways.

    It's not that Bush is stupid. He just appears to be by being inarticulate. His problem is his arrogance and stubborness.
    Well, I don't know if I would call cutting taxes, keeping the country safe in a dangerous time, and appointing two top-notch justices to the Supreme Court, strictly superficial. Beyond that, though, his record is not particularly impressive, though perception is unfortunately reality and there has been no shortage of criticism on him in the media.
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    ^^ Not only would I call that superficial but I ascribe your assessment of that as, well, incomplete.

    "cutting taxes" at the expense of financing a stupid war with foreign-borrowed money, and look where we are now...

    "keeping the country safe" as any other modern president would have done, but at the cost of making a LOT of other countries angry at our mis-directed retaliation (Iraq)

    "appointing two top-notch justices" after trying to slip in one of his cronies who was "not ready" and appointing two problemmatic Attorneys General.

    You know, people see just what they want to see and then ignore the surrounding impacts. Such shortsightedness is a hallmark of impending troubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Well, I don't know if I would call cutting taxes, keeping the country safe in a dangerous time, and appointing two top-notch justices to the Supreme Court, strictly superficial. Beyond that, though, his record is not particularly impressive, though perception is unfortunately reality and there has been no shortage of criticism on him in the media.
    Cutting taxes is fine but that's pretty much all he did re: economic policy and look where it's gotten us.

    Roberts and Alito are O.K. but Harriet Myers ?

    Arguably he's kept us safe BUT, most objective surveys say we are STILL vulnerable. After seven (7) years and hundreds of billions. Congress went nuts with Homeland Security funding tossing "pork chops" to Buzzard's Breath, South Dakota and Possum Creek, Kentucky when it was NYC, L.A., Chi-town and the BORDERS that needed the funding.

    He has NOT governed as a conservative.

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    Cutting taxes is fine but that's pretty much all he did re: economic policy and look where it's gotten us.

    Roberts and Alito are O.K. but Harriet Myers ?

    Arguably he's kept us safe BUT, most objective surveys say we are STILL vulnerable. After seven (7) years and hundreds of billions. Congress went nuts with Homeland Security funding tossing "pork chops" to Buzzard's Breath, South Dakota and Possum Creek, Kentucky when it was NYC, L.A., Chi-town and the BORDERS that needed the funding.

    He has NOT governed as a conservative.

    Well, back in '06, before the Dems got control of Congress, we had a record high stock market, record low unemployment and $2.25 a gallon gasoline.

    Ditto on Harriet Myers.

    Ditto on governing as a conservative.

    Nonetheless, the notion of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi calling the shots is just downright scary. They aim to turn us into the USS of A. And as to Obama's fitness to serve as President, I say " show me who you roll with, and I'll show you who you are".
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Nonetheless, the notion of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi calling the shots is just downright scary. They aim to turn us into the USS of A. And as to Obama's fitness to serve as President, I say " show me who you roll with, and I'll show you who you are".
    I agree that Reid and Pelosi need to go. There has been some democratic rumors that Clinton may be tapped to replace Pelosi. And Reid is a pussy, plain and simple. He shouldn't be in a leadership position.

    Who does Obama "roll with"? Warren Buffett, Colin Powell, Tom Daschle, Richard Danzig for starters. Are you going to vote for Obama now? LOL!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Well, back in '06, before the Dems got control of Congress, we had a record high stock market, record low unemployment and $2.25 a gallon gasoline.
    So GOP policies the 6 years previous to 2006 had nothing to do with the problems between 2006-2008? That's an interesting theory. Or how about GOP obstruction between 2006-2008? Did that have no effect either?

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    Nonetheless, the notion of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi calling the shots is just downright scary. They aim to turn us into the USS of A.
    Ditto 4 more years of GWB (err, I mean John McCain).

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    Eric, get active in the republican party! That is going to be the only way to get rid of the kooks. I tell all my conservative friends and relations to get active in republican politics so that the crazies don't rule your party anymore.

    The Dems have done this. It has taken a generation to bring the democratic party into the post hippie era, but they are there now.


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    Don't you sort of have to be, like in, the House of Representatives before you can be Speaker of the House?
    LOL! Or Reid. Duh! House/ Senate whatever....puts bong down and walks away from computer slowly


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    Who does Obama "roll with"? Warren Buffett, Colin Powell, Tom Daschle, Richard Danzig for starters. Are you going to vote for Obama now? LOL!

    I was thinking more along the lines of Ayres, Dorn, Wright, Pfleger, Davis, Johnson, et al.

    Colin Powell's endorsement was 100% about race and saying FU to the Bushies, regardless of how he might try to spin it. Do you really think he would have endorsed Clinton had she been the nominee? Daschle is and always will be a clown.
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    Bem - Please listen to and watch something other than Rush and Hannity. Please. I think you may be one of the lowest information having people on these boards. FOX news is not the end all and be all and they will never be fair and balanced.
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    Bem - Please listen to and watch something other than Rush and Hannity. Please. I think you may be one of the lowest information having people on these boards. FOX news is not the end all and be all and they will never be fair and balanced.



    Obama was associating with some of the people I mentioned for decades before Powell, Daschle, or anyone else ever heard of him. Powell's endorsement is most likely about payback to the Republicans.

    I never said FOX was fair and balanced but they are a hell of a lot more fair and balanced than the MSM.

    And once again you resort to personal attacks, questioning my intelligence because I disagree with you. At least I can write without mangling a sentence. And you libs have the nerve to criticize Bush's skills.
    "never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe

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    You are one of the lowest information having people on these boards (yes I said it again and I used the same mangled sentence!) because everything you post comes from Rush or Hannity. You need to find more sources for information instead of relying on these two. I don't go around parroting Olbermann.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    You are one of the lowest information having people on these boards (yes I said it again and I used the same mangled sentence!) because everything you post comes from Rush or Hannity. You need to find more sources for information instead of relying on these two. I don't go around parroting Olbermann.
    Once again, you prove what has often been stated on these boards. You (and you have not been alone) can't make a cogent case for your position so you resort to name-calling. It's a shame too because i think you enjoy discussing politics. You've just been mesmerized by Obama and can't see him for what he is : a blatant socialist.

    For the record, I don't watch Hannity at all (or even listen to him). I cop to listening to Rush occasionally, as well as Beck or Levine. I base my decisions on my knowlegdge of American History and Economics (in which I have a degree). What's your degree in BTW?

    I have just come to ther conclusion that I'll have to vote for a Democrat ( McCain) over a Socialist ( Obama ). I fear Obama will win, but he will be an unmitigated disaster. Hopefully the damage he and his cohorts do will not be irreparable.
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