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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Mia Roberts View Post
    no, thats not what reverse racism means...infact, that meaning makes no sense.... even tho i'm sure you would like that to be the meaning.

    It means what i just explained to you...and thats how it is used not just by whites...but by blacks as well....
    That meaning makes no sense? Ohhh ... I get it. So you are just outright denying that whites can be discriminated against or that it is accepted by our society today. Great argument.

    ""No bigotry but our bigotry!!!""

    I've only ever heard the term used as described below:
    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus View Post
    it is an idea that expresses our cultural preponderance to go so far on a spectrum of 'racism' that we have gone over the deep end on the opposite side generally seen as 'a racist view'. That is why, when you read so many posts here ... you find it is rife with fantastical comments made that, were the races switched', would start a 'hunt down the evil whitey' attack.
    Whatever ... I can't deal with such absolute, indisputable arguments such as yours given here. I'll be back later tonight, but I need a freaking break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus View Post
    That meaning makes no sense? Ohhh ... I get it. So you are just outright denying that whites can be discriminated against or that it is accepted by our society today. Great argument.

    ""No bigotry but our bigotry!!!""

    I've only ever heard the term used as described below:


    Whatever ... I can't deal with such absolute, indisputable arguments such as yours given here. I'll be back later tonight, but I need a freaking break.

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    NO YOU FUCKING DUMBASS.... ugh... the whole fuckin point of me saying its stupid for ANYONE to use it is because EVERYONE CAN BE FUCKIN RACIST...NOT JUST WHITES...and thats why i said that it makes you as a white person look like a dumbass by using it...your calling your own race the owners of racism....





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    Narcissus, no one here is trying to claim that whites never get discriminated against. I've felt it before. I know it happens. Not just from blacks but from many other immigrant/minority communities as well. Racism is a fact of life but in America, the majority of people are white, and thus, white -> minority racism is much more "in your face" than vice versa.

    Saying that white privilege is an absurd term is hilarious. In fact, you directly contradict yourself by agreeing with me in your very own post. If I were to move to Japan, I would experience Japanese privilege. In Namibia, black privilege. Facts have it that the US is predominantly white.

    You, sir, have been twisting everyone's words and starting fights where there were non previously, declaring everyone who critically examines white/black race issues a racist.

    I'm getting tempted to hit the ignore button but your hyperbolic outrage is bordering on hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Mia Roberts View Post
    NO YOU FUCKING DUMBASS.... ugh... the whole fuckin point of me saying its stupid for ANYONE to use it is because EVERYONE CAN BE FUCKIN RACIST...NOT JUST WHITES...and thats why i said that it makes you as a white person look like a dumbass by using it...your calling your own race the owners of racism....





    ...obviously...u didn't get it
    Do yourself a HUGE FAVOR and stop responding to these threads. I read them and responded in a few threads but some of the stuff i've read is so outrageous and others so long and drawn out that i think its better to just let it ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by grindonme View Post
    Do yourself a HUGE FAVOR and stop responding to these threads. I read them and responded in a few threads but some of the stuff i've read is so outrageous and others so long and drawn out that i think its better to just let it ride

    i tried...but its just soo hard to ignore...





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Mia Roberts View Post
    i tried...but its just soo hard to ignore...
    LOL i know it is, i've started a response so many times and then said forget it because i realized people are just making threads and posts just to try and get a hostile reaction from other posters. This is what i was told last night after a post i made
    Quote Originally Posted by Violastrings
    your point is made even more legit by the men in saggy white shirts throwing money at a black girl's ass. Good show, chap.
    she had no real response to it so she just said that and like you just explained in your revious post on what you meant by whites shouldn't being using the reverse racism term, do you think dude is gonna come back and say "oh ok i get what you're saying now"..lol Hell no he is gonna find something to say to try and get a hostile response and thats what has been happening in all the Obama related threads in this section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grindonme View Post
    LOL i know it is, i've started a response so many times and then said forget it because i realized people are just making threads and posts just to try and get a hostile reaction from other posters. Like you just explained in your revious post on what you meant by whites shouldn't being using the reverse racism term, do you think dude is gonna come back and say "oh ok i get what you're saying now"..lol Hell no he is gonna find something to say to try and get a hostile response and thats what has been happening in all the Obama related threads in this section.
    you are right... i'm gonna try again to ignore it

    thank you





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Mia Roberts View Post
    NO YOU FUCKING DUMBASS.... ugh... the whole fuckin point of me saying its stupid for ANYONE to use it is because EVERYONE CAN BE FUCKIN RACIST...NOT JUST WHITES...and thats why i said that it makes you as a white person look like a dumbass by using it...your calling your own race the owners of racism....





    ...obviously...u didn't get it
    What you're getting at is that there is only one term, 'racist', meaning 'discriminating on the basis of race', right? If that is correct, than the term 'reverse racism' is a nonsense one. You'd use the term 'racist' for discrimination on the basis of colour or ethnicity, whether or not the victim of that discrimination is black or white.

    Do you get it now, Narcissist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Mia Roberts View Post
    NO YOU FUCKING DUMBASS.... ugh... the whole fuckin point of me saying its stupid for ANYONE to use it is because EVERYONE CAN BE FUCKIN RACIST...NOT JUST WHITES...and thats why i said that it makes you as a white person look like a dumbass by using it...your calling your own race the owners of racism....

    ...obviously...u didn't get it
    Reply is below and I did get it. You are just incapable of reading or understanding what I wrote. I simplify it for you ...

    Quote Originally Posted by LizardQueen View Post
    Narcissus, no one here is trying to claim that whites never get discriminated against.
    Re-read what was written above and see it through the context of my not realizing that 'Ms. Mia Roberts' was unable to understand my definition and explanation.

    Quote Originally Posted by LizardQueen View Post
    Saying that white privilege is an absurd term is hilarious. In fact, you directly contradict yourself by agreeing with me in your very own post. If I were to move to Japan, I would experience Japanese privilege. In Namibia, black privilege. Facts have it that the US is predominantly white.
    I did not contradict myself in any way. Agreeing that a race has a greater comfort level with people of the same race does not, in any way, contradict what I said. Stop <snipping> parts of my argument and using it out of context. Saying that I agreed, and then not including any of the things that I said which supports my view is a childish tactic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizardQueen View Post
    You, sir, have been twisting everyone's words and starting fights where there were non previously, declaring everyone who critically examines white/black race issues a racist.

    I'm getting tempted to hit the ignore button but your hyperbolic outrage is bordering on hilarious.
    I haven't twisted anyone's words. Show me a single example ... should be easy as you imply that I've done it on several occasions.

    As far as calling people racist ... I admit to using the wrong terminology. I should have called them bigots. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. =P

    I love the fact that you are in a position to tell me how outraged I actually am. Or did you use the term 'hyperbolic' to add credence to what you were saying because it sounded good?

    Argue my points rather than misrepresenting what I say and then using bland, generic, and broad statements to dismiss me. Please ...

    Quote Originally Posted by grindonme View Post
    Do yourself a HUGE FAVOR and stop responding to these threads. I read them and responded in a few threads but some of the stuff i've read is so outrageous and others so long and drawn out that i think its better to just let it ride
    You make two points:
    1. Some of these posts are outrageous.
    I agree!
    2. Discussions on a subject are long.
    Isn't that a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by grindonme View Post
    LOL i know it is, i've started a response so many times and then said forget it because i realized people are just making threads and posts just to try and get a hostile reaction from other posters. This is what i was told last night after a post i made

    she had no real response to it so she just said that and like you just explained in your revious post on what you meant by whites shouldn't being using the reverse racism term, do you think dude is gonna come back and say "oh ok i get what you're saying now"..lol Hell no he is gonna find something to say to try and get a hostile response and thats what has been happening in all the Obama related threads in this section.
    There have been several people 'trolling'. I do hope that no one applies that to me. I'm not trying to 'troll', I'm trying to explain my viewpoint and show glaring holes in the viewpoints of those that disagree with me. I get upset and irritated and 'lash out' a bit, but when talking about such a very heated topic ... that is to be expected.

    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    What you're getting at is that there is only one term, 'racist', meaning 'discriminating on the basis of race', right? If that is correct, than the term 'reverse racism' is a nonsense one. You'd use the term 'racist' for discrimination on the basis of colour or ethnicity, whether or not the victim of that discrimination is black or white.

    Do you get it now, Narcissist?
    I 'got it' ... numerous posts ago. What you, and many other single minded people on here have failed to do is 'get' what I said. I quote it below and make it easy and simple to understand to help better avoid confusion.

    Here is what I've said numerous times:

    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus View Post
    The term 'reverse-racism' is not a real term ... it is an idea that expresses our cultural preponderance to go so far on a spectrum of 'racism' that we have gone over the deep end on the opposite side generally seen as 'a racist view'. That is why, when you read so many posts here ... you find it is rife with fantastical comments made that, were the races switched', would start a 'hunt down the evil whitey' attack.

    Narcissus
    I have made it abundantly clear that, to me, that is and always has been the definition. Obviously that has forced those unable to understand what it meant, to get confused by my comments. To solve that problem, I will redefine it in simpler terms.

    I realize that 'reverse-racism' is not a word used out of a dictionary. I have always heard it used to mean that black people were displaying bigotry towards white people in a way that everyone is A-ok with. That means that it is a word used to display to black people that the very thing that the black people claim to hate most is being used by them, usually a lot. Because this situation is a bad situation for white people to be in, and is frustrating because of the double standard being used ... I believe that white people created the term to make black people be aware of the double standard they are using.

    Now can you guys understand what I'm saying? If so, please go back and re-read my posts with that new knowledge. The fact that it is not a real term means nothing. The fact that black people, who refuse to admit it's existence, have twisted it into something white people should be ashamed of (a ridiculous claim that shows that white people shouldn't use the word because it demonstrates a claim to ownership and fatherhood to all racism), means nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus View Post
    ""No bigotry but our bigotry!!!""

    I'll be back later tonight, but I need a freaking break.

    Narcissus
    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus View Post
    Black people, due to their race, are offered so many more incentives and 'helping hands' that it is revolting.

    That is the exact kind of racist banter I expected. Right out of the book of hate, chapter Rev. Wright, page guilt ridden.

    I doubt that many white girls are clutching their purses when a well dressed black man gets in an elevator with them whom they work with. I call bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit.

    So in your hate mongering mind, you are blaming white people...

    That damn white devil! Look what he is doing to you?!? Give me a fucking break.


    I've heard racial bigotry before, but never like what you describe ... although it is still nothing compared to the opposing hate.

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    Uhh, as I said... hyperbolic outrage.

    Your responses were unwarranted by the posts you replied to.
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    i'm done......

    i can no longer respond back to any ignorant or retarded comments on this forum.... i hope the mods step in because this thread has become OT and out of control....





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    Quote Originally Posted by LizardQueen View Post
    Uhh, as I said... hyperbolic outrage.

    Your responses were unwarranted by the posts you replied to.
    First of all, as I said: realizing my inability to predict 'Ms. Mia Roberts' and her inability to read and understand my explanation on the definition of the word, please re-read my response to her post. Your first quote was a misunderstanding on my part ... based on the assumption that she actually understood me (I'm being generous and giving her the benefit of the doubt).

    Hyperbolic = exaggeration

    My response was exaggerated how? I cannot feel fervor towards a subject without you labeling it an exaggeration? You are not me, so please don't presume to tell me what I feel or what level of emotion I have in regards to a thing.

    I find it beyond hilarious that I'm told I am incapable of understanding 'the black man', but in the exact same thread I can be told that my 'outrage' at an issue and the biased views involved are an exaggeration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Mia Roberts View Post
    i'm done......

    i can no longer respond back to any ignorant or retarded comments on this forum.... i hope the mods step in because this thread has become OT and out of control....
    Darn. I'm going to miss your bigoted, biased, and incoherent comments that are, apparently, impossible to defend. :waves:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus View Post
    Hyperbolic = exaggeration

    My response was exaggerated how? I cannot feel fervor towards a subject without you labeling it an exaggeration? You are not me, so please don't presume to tell me what I feel or what level of emotion I have in regards to a thing.

    I find it beyond hilarious that I'm told I am incapable of understanding 'the black man', but in the exact same thread I can be told that my 'outrage' at an issue and the biased views involved are an exaggeration.
    *sigh* You are still misreading me. Of course I have no authority to say your statements are exaggerated compared to how you actually feel, but your "exaggerated outrage" at some of the pretty calm things kikidejavu and others have said is surprising.
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    Everybody PLEASE ! Please take a deep breath and try to calm down.

    There is no reason why these issues cannot be discussed in a calm manner and on an intellectual plane.

    Let's ALL try to avoid personalizing and try to respect those who hold opinions different from our own.
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    circling back on topic, according to Obama's 'transition' website change.gov , these involuntary community service proposals / requirements have suddenly 'disappeared'.

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    You are actually making the same point ... that societal groups that choose to 'hang on to' all aspects of their cultural divide and their ancient resentments generally wind up being either the cause or the recipients of deadly violence (or both).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post


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    that's DISGUSTING. WTF Melonie? . First of all, this was an IDEA that was being tossed around, that's all don't get your panties in a wad. Second of all if you can see any sense of logicality in compairing less than an hour of community service a WEEK to the horror that was Hitler Youth, there is seriously something wrong with you.
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    I couldn't graduate high school unless I did 50 hours of community service. It was a requirement for our high school. This is nothing new.
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    100 hours in college is way extreme. I try to do 20 hours during the spring and fall semester, if you add in summer that's already 60 hours. Going to school full time and working full time takes up a lot of time! I just think it's a little unrealistic. I had way more time in high school when I didn't have to work.
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    that's DISGUSTING. WTF Melonie? . First of all, this was an IDEA that was being tossed around, that's all don't get your panties in a wad.
    As I said when that image was originally posted, the point was about the proposal constituting a basic loss of freedom. At least a loss of freedom for those who are insufficiently 'rich' to buy their way out of future gov't obligations. Granted that this initial proposal by it self was a small matter, but it was nonetheless a step down a 'slippery slope'.

    I realize that some younger Americans may have trouble visualizing the possibilibies of the gov't taking additional steps down that 'slippery slope'. I'll give you one from US history. During the Vietnam War there was still a military draft i.e. a gov't obligation. However, there were also draft deferments for young men who could afford to enroll in college ... allowing the sons of the rich and powerful to avoid being sent to war. After the 'injustice' of this situation was pointed out, America changed many laws (among them cancelling the draft and expanding college financing possibilities) to remove it. However, this latest proposal is a step BACKWARD in the direction of re-establishing privelege for the rich !!!

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    Taken from BarackObama.com:

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    Barack Obama will enable all Americans to serve:

    Obama and Biden will expand AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps, engage retiring Americans, and set up an America's Voice Initiative to send Americans who are fluent speakers of local languages to expand our public diplomacy.
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    Integrate service into learning:

    Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year, and will establish a new tax credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
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    Invest in the nonprofit sector:

    Obama and Biden will create a Social Investment Fund Network to use federal seed money to leverage private sector funding. They will create an agency dedicated to building the capacity and effectiveness of the nonprofit sector.

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichelleJade View Post
    100 hours in college is way extreme. I try to do 20 hours during the spring and fall semester, if you add in summer that's already 60 hours. Going to school full time and working full time takes up a lot of time! I just think it's a little unrealistic. I had way more time in high school when I didn't have to work.
    You get paid to do it in college though. It's not mandatory.
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    i could do it...thats like workin 3 hours a week on the weekend and gettin paid 40 an hour, tax free towards my education

    i would find a way to get my ass up on sunday morning and do that shit!





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    Yeah, I would definitely do it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    As I said when that image was originally posted, the point was about the proposal constituting a basic loss of freedom... Granted that this initial proposal by it self was a small matter, but it was nonetheless a step down a 'slippery slope'.
    I love all the hand wringing over college students feeding the homeless or cleaning up a park 2 hours a week.

    Where was your concern over the suspension of the writ of habeaus corpus, acts of torture, illegal wiretapping of US citizens, the expansion of power of the executive branch, or the polticization of the DOJ?

    This was not a slippery slope, but a sheer cliff. And the outgoing administration was at the edge of the cliff tossing freedoms over, with their defenders cheering them on.

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