



If you don't feel like explaining your intent, for whatever reason, that is your choice. I, however, did not say that I knew your intent better than you did ... I just called you out on it. Rather than defending your viewpoint or trying to debunk opposing viewpoints, you directly attacked those holding a different viewpoint. Everyone does it at times, it happens and is somewhat understandable ... I simply felt the need to call you out on it.
As far as my 'entire diatribe' being based on not understanding your definition and/or misuse of the word 'rebel' ... I ask you to read my posts again. The labeling was only a part of my issue with your post. The suggestion that those 'rebels' had serious personality disorders counted for a fair bit of my issue of it.
I readily admit that you offered the suggestion that I come up with a better 'label'. The reason why I didn't even attempt to do so is that I don't see value in supporting such a claim, regardless of what label is applied. Also note that I was not exactly 'in an uproar' ... I simply stated what I saw and then defended my statements when confronted.
And finally, I know full well what propaganda and socialism mean.
Propaganda: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing causeSo, I would love for you to show me where I used these words incorrectly. The fact is: you cannot. Why? Because I used them correctly. You, I assume in anger or irritation (?), made that statement for the sole reason of disqualifying my statements without any basis for doing so. Please read the definition of propaganda above.Socialism: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Now if everyone wants to get back to the actual debate rather than trying to attack me with false and misleading accusations, I would be happy to do so.
Narcissus





Then the implanting was in the plastic card, not the human body.![]()
I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.
Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.
NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.





SIGH, No I am done. I have no desire to continue this stupid game to satisfy your goal to win at this little game... The serious personality disorder' is entirely your concept.
The actuality of it is that YOU attacked me, or my stated opinion regarding social responsibility. I was not attacking you or anyone else. I was minding my own little post when you decided to turn on your flame-thrower. You got overheated and had to take time away from your little battle, as you stated to flickad. Well, I can only make myself clear; I cannot change anyone's mind. I am not trying to control you or anyone else. However, you are. And they way you are going about it, you will NEVER make me change my mind. So why bother?
If you are going to be useful around here (to anyone other than yourself), you will learn better how to debate instead of attack.
I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.
Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.
NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.




Calling the comparison ridiculous and absurd isn't the same as actually countering it. Therelayer never stated or implied that your views indicate a personality disorder. He opined that they were part of a personality type, which is not the same as a disorder. Calling his views the opposite of progress is pretty damned insulting, so I don't think you're coming to the table with clean hands when you call him out for denigrating your views.
Your posts to me continue to be rude and personal. I have not once patronised you, insulted your intelligence or questioned your reading abilities. You continue to do all three. Really, you deserve the odd taste of your own medicine.
Melonie's views are quite similar to your own, and yet she manages to debate those with opposing viewpoints without being the least bit insulting to anyone. She certainly doesn't engage in ridiculous personal fights the way you do. Perhaps you could take a leaf out of her book. Also, if it's true that I am out to get anyone who disagrees with me, why is it that you see no personal skirmishes between Melonie or Eric Stoner or Army SGT and myself?
Again, propaganda has nothing to do with law and everything to do with political science. I'm surprised you thought otherwise.
Last edited by flickad; 12-02-2008 at 12:22 AM.
I'm not playing a 'little game', much less trying to win it. This is simply a case of calling you out on something, and then having to defend myself from 100% empty accusations.
Attacking you and debating your opinion on social responsibility are two entirely different things, which funny enough, is exactly what I called you out on. My statements about getting 'overheated' referred to an earlier time ... the only reason I could even possibly be considered as 'turning on my flamethrower' is because after calling you out, I was accused of something I did not do instead of having anything I actually said refuted.
So to be useful, in your eyes, I have to ignore pointed attempts at using disparaging comments to devalue those with differing opinions? I am trying to debate and I'm sorry that you are unable to see that. Do you think I enjoy coming into this forum to find myself falsely accused of things when someone doesn't like what I have to say?
You are right, I didn't directly counter the comparison at all. I did not show the differences between the two by placing them together and highlighting each and every difference. I obviously didn't do that. I know I couldn't have done that because neither of you quoted that out of my posts. Instead, I was accused of something which was false. I guess I didn't show how that was false either (you know ... by quoting things and then showing, step by step, how those things were different)?
I admit that using the word 'disorder' was the wrong word to use. You caught me. I should have said: a personality type that holds strong negative value ... or maybe even: a personality type that negatively influences the opinions of those that hear it. Would that have been more appropriate?
I love how you completely ignore the parts of my post that you can't refute and then continue on as though I never stated them. When I commented on that view and said that, to me, it seemed the opposite of progress ... I made a point of showing that I was trying to avoid being offensive. I also, as pointed out above, made it obvious that given the context of that thread ... it was a valid question and, in no way, could be seen as insulting. You are using it out of context, as I have shown already.
I also find it hilarious that rather than directly defend the post that I called out, you have made it your job of showing how I was just as wrong (which I have refuted, but I digress). Even if I had been just as guilty elsewhere, would that change the fact that I was right here? No? Then why come into this thread and 'call me out' rather than the thread that I supposedly did such a horrendous thing?
Here is a perfectly answerable question, which I hope you don't choose to ignore: do your own personal views correlate with those of threlayer's view on social responsibility?
Would making rude and personal posts count as the same as false accusations? What about ignoring the parts of my posts where I demonstrate how I was right? Taking my words out of context?
If you don't think those things are patronizing and insulting, I'm not sure what to tell you.
I fully believe that if I started to skip those parts of your posts that refuted me and continued on as if I had proven my point, then I'm sure you would question my reading ability. Have you noticed how I don't do that (skipping incriminating sections of posts)? Have you noticed that I go to the trouble of going back several posts to show where I already contended with things?
If you take my posts as rude and personal, my only current reply is to simply read what has transpired back and forth without bias.
Melonie has shown a propensity for ignoring virtually everything that is said except what directly relates to the subject matter. While that is her inclination, I choose differently.
I don't recall ever saying that you were 'out to get anyone that disagrees with you'. Have I said that anywhere? Personally, I don't remember saying that. I even took time to go look for that statement, but was unable to find such a thing. I then went back and looked for any statement I might have made that could even imply such a thing and this is all I could come up with:
Is that your basis for making such a comment? Well, inherent in that statement is a plausible answer to your question. Another one might be that you have had a longer 'relationship' with the people you named and therefore don't use the same antics with them. There are numerous possible reasons for the difference, but of course ... I'm sure the fault is my own.Either you are lacking your touted intelligence or (much more likely) you refuse to hear anything that goes against your own personal views without holding so much bias that you are unable to comprehend it.
I've never studied law, so I withdraw my assumption that trial lawyers study persuasion techniques.
Again, if we want to get back to the actual debate rather than trying to attack me with false and misleading accusations, I would be happy to do so.
Narcissus





I'm afraid I'm going to have to use the dreaded "ignore" button (only my 2nd time). This person is just entirely too annoying. Someone tell me if/when he becomes a lot better at diagreeing.
A club DJ -- now it's obvious.![]()
I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.
Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.
NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." - Bertrand Russell
"It's just a matter of people having low self esteem and being way too easily offended." -Random Guy on a Internet Forum
In other words: Boo-motherfucking-hoo





Yeah, his arguments weren't very illuminating and were almost completely 'him-oriented'.
I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.
Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.
NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.
That makes sense. You attack those with differing opinions. I call you out on it. You post fluff, which I point out is fluff. You then attack me directly and I show exactly where you are wrong. You then come back and state you will 'ignore' me, call me annoying, and then insult me again.
You have a brilliant strategy: don't defend yourself by using facts, don't attempt to refute anything I say, and attack with absolutely nothing to substantiate that attack.
Just a little bit of insight for you: look at my posts and note that after first calling you on your blatantly ignorant post, I have been able to do nothing in this thread besides defend myself. I'm not propagating this shit ... I dread opening this thread because I already know what I'm going to find.
Other than laugh, there isn't much more to say about that comment. Amazing logic.
Narcissus









a true last word man, it would seem
I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.
Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.
NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.
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