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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    No, no , sorry. Palin doesn't need any help to come across as an ill-informed Hockey Mom Governor. I've read the transcripts of her interviews and watched a few on T.V. She is more articulate than Bush ( who isn't ? ) but just as intellectually uncurious. Nobody told her to say that she's waiting to hear from or get a sign from God to run in 2012. But that's exactly what she said. JUST WHAT WE NEED. Another President who thinks that God talks to them.
    Even though the focus is off of Palin, I absolutely have to ask you: Excusing those first couple of interviews in which she demonstrated having a masters in dumbfuckery, did you really think Palin did so bad?

    I'm not trying to give the lady a 'free pass', don't misunderstand ... I'm just considering the fact that she, in the political arena, went from 0-60 in 0.5 seconds. Considering her sudden situational change and all that comes with it, I was actually surprised at how well she carried herself.

    I'm not a Palin supporter, by any means, but the way she was attacked incessantly by the media was outright sickening and abhorrent to me. All I could think was the fact that her sex had to be the cause of such voracity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus View Post
    All I could think was the fact that her sex had to be the cause of such voracity.

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    I had to quote this for posterity. Too funny, sorry.

    Ironic, right? You know, that Obama wins because he's black and Palin loses because she's a woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jennahoff View Post
    ^^
    For those of you who dont know, Nancy Pelosi is the speaker of the house
    Yeah, she ain't great either from my understanding. But it's a good point. I'm sure we can find just about anyone in Congress to criticize if they get enough publicity to make it worthwhile to do so. But Palin is especially newsworthy in spite of 'certain people' trying to blame news media for her own failings.

    Further, I presume you've forgotten how Obama had to pass thru a lot of garbage thrown at him (including almost being called a terrorist spy). Not all this was on the news, but neither did he say nearly as much jingoistic nonsense as did Palin. I'm not defending the media, but I have a pretty durned low opinion on any politician that reminds me of any kind Bush-like outlook on life.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus View Post
    Even though the focus is off of Palin, I absolutely have to ask you: Excusing those first couple of interviews in which she demonstrated having a masters in dumbfuckery, did you really think Palin did so bad?

    I'm not trying to give the lady a 'free pass', don't misunderstand ... I'm just considering the fact that she, in the political arena, went from 0-60 in 0.5 seconds. Considering her sudden situational change and all that comes with it, I was actually surprised at how well she carried herself.

    I'm not a Palin supporter, by any means, but the way she was attacked incessantly by the media was outright sickening and abhorrent to me. All I could think was the fact that her sex had to be the cause of such voracity.

    Narcissus
    Actually, I thought she did rather well at the press conference at the recent Republican Governors Conference and didn't need Governor Rick Perry ( Rep. Texas) to step in and cut off questioning.

    Some of what she got from the press was unfair but on any objective basis she was not adequately informed. She's not stupid and is bright enough. She does have a decent track record as a Governor. Inter alia, she's learned that book-banning is unconstitutional.

    I don't think we've heard the last from her. The Republican base LOVES her.

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    ^^ I'd bet in particular, the religious branch of that (currently) misguided party LOVES her. She gets her particular crowd enthusiastic, somehow(?), but at the cost of distancing herself from EVERYONE else...Not the mark of a person who can form coalitions to get things done.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
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    "Unqualified" politically.

    Hell, I'm qualified legally.

    A lot of her "tarnished image" was her own doing, if you'll recall.
    I call bullshit.

    The media ran all over her ass. Obama got the kid gloves, Palin got the bull whip. SNL spent weeks making her look, and sound dumb. Hell the "news" media devoted time to covering SNL making fun of her.
    I think most of that was Palin's own words. And her response to Couric was just atrocious. SNL is not the press, it is entertainment. If Pailn weren't more entertaining than serious, that would have not happened. It's her own doing.

    You know, sometimes people are so biased that they are apologists for the most silly reasons. Why is that?
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Myth- Obama won because of the "youth" vote i.e. voters under 30.
    Fact- Obama won 2/3 of voters under 30 but they made the difference in only two states, Indiana and North Carolina.

    Myth- There was "record" turn out.
    Fact- About a million more people voted in 2008 than in 2004.
    In "04 Bush won the popular vote 62 million to 59 million. In '08 Obama won 65 million to 57 million. A difference of about a million.
    Younger voters turned out in only slightly higher numbers than they did in 2004.

    Myth- Obama owes his election to Latinos.
    Fact- If there were no Latino voters; only New Mexico and Indiana would have changed hands.

    Myth- Obama owes his election to the "union" vote.
    Fact- The union vote split. McCain did well among white, working class males and union members are down to 12 % of all workers. Their money, volunteers and phone-banking didn't hurt but it's not why he won.

    The REAL reason Obama won was 97% of the African-American vote. Without such support Obama would have lost 107 Electoral votes in Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia.
    Not necessarily...

    Hispanic women swell ranks of Obama support

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    I firmly believe that Palin was not up to the job of being in national politics. Being a governor of a (politically) insignificant state and correcting some serious corruption is not a strong pre-requisite or qualification for the job in DC. Though it is for Alaska, where she should be staying in IMHO.

    And what has nObama run that is greater than Alaska?
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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    ^^ I'd bet in particular, the religious branch of that (currently) misguided party LOVES her. She gets her particular crowd enthusiastic, somehow(?), but at the cost of distancing herself from EVERYONE else...Not the mark of a person who can form coalitions to get things done.
    Imagine, nObama didn't take any heat for his attendance at an extremist church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    And what has nObama run that is greater than Alaska?
    "She dont know much else though."
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    Yeah, she's a governor of an out-of-the way state with a very small population and with some commecial/environmental issues. And yes it's very cold and remote in parts and it has a lot of coastline and a big indigenous popuilation. However..... Just listen to the scope of what they both say. She's quite provincial and seems to be a cardboard cutout. Durn, I thought, waaay too much like Bush but she talks a little better. While Obama has a lot of scope in his understanding. He wants to listen to others' opinions; whereas she's already made up her mind. I gave up on her about two weeks after she started talking. That's just too durn close to bush country for comfort.
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    That is a great way to refute him. Excellent.

    She has actual experience whereas he doesn't ...

    He was running for president and she was running for vp ...

    Her experience is questioned, yet Obama's lack of exp is not ...

    Then when you are asked what exp Obama has ... you counter the question with:

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    "She dont know much else though."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus View Post
    That is a great way to refute him. Excellent.

    She has actual experience whereas he doesn't ...

    He was running for president and she was running for vp ...

    Her experience is questioned, yet Obama's lack of exp is not ...

    Then when you are asked what exp Obama has ... you counter the question with:



    :clap:

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    From the quote it looks like another PERSONAL attack. This guy hasn't learned SW standards.
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    From the quote it looks like another PERSONAL attack. This guy hasn't learned SW standards.
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    ???????? Would you please clarify this. Thank you.
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    Narcissus i meant, not you.

    Oh, forgot to add. In my post above I edited it to add some specifics; I posted most of this in another thread a month or so ago.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    From the quote it looks like another PERSONAL attack. This guy hasn't learned SW standards.
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    That is rich. Now if I point out anything, it is labeled as a personal attack? What?!?

    I love this logic ... no matter what anyone says and no matter how absurd it is (like pointedly not answering a direct question), if I point it out, I am personally attacking someone.

    Here is an eye-opener: Glabman quoted my statement and added a ""+1"" because he agrees with what I've said, yet Threlayer goes out of her way to say that it was a personal attack on my part and does not include him.

    Maybe because it wasn't an actual personal attack? Maybe?

    Narcissus

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