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    from a Machiavellian viewpoint, appointing Hilary does serve several important purposes. A, it gets a powerful opponent out of the US Senate and onto Obama's 'team' (at least for the sake of public appearances). B, it provides a potential scapegoat if and when international incidents start to pile up. And C, it de-facto consolidates ALL democratic support both head count and financial to the Obama administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Obama's been appointing Clinton people like crazy. Where's the promised change?
    Clinton people have actual experience with the Administrative branch. You think he should appoint Bush people?

    So, Bem, you want change? I thought that you were a conservative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by arctic717 View Post
    We had 8 years of unsurpassed peace and prosperity from those Democratic hacks.
    The price we paid for those years of peace ( even though we were attacked somewhere in the world every 18 months or so ) and prosperity were the struggles of the last few years. 9/11 tooks years of planning and training. Clinton owns as much of that tragedy as Bush, if for no other reason than he made us seem like a bunch of wusses who wouldn't fight back. The strong-arming of banks to loan to undeserving borrowers was ramped up during Clinton's years. We are paying for that now.

    Paris- Obama campaigned saying he you can't send the same people back to Washington and expect change. He used that phrase against Clinton as well McCain. Yet he is appointing all these retreads to his administration. I think we would be far worse off if he appointed his real friends to positions but it at least rings a bit of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    The strong-arming of banks to loan to undeserving borrowers was ramped up during Clinton's years. We are paying for that now.
    OMG OMG you are on to something, under Clinton, retirement/ investment accounts could no longer only aim for the 'benefit of the account holder(s)', but also for social benefit. (Even before that IIRC) Banks had been strong armed where they had to make loans in areas that were determined 'low level', which are also high risk. Yeap, 'for the benefit of the community'.
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    Guess that prediction didn't work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    Guess that prediction didn't work out.
    veeryyyy interesting..........http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=82374
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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    Guess that prediction didn't work out.
    Ah! You beat me to it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    veeryyyy interesting..........
    Interesting read.

    I was not aware of that clause. Regardless, I feel that as long as the 'fix' still adheres to the original purpose of the clause, then there is no harm done.

    I normally am against loopholes being used (especially in regards to the constitution), yet this appears to be so simple and direct ... obviously, she (or anyone else) did not attempt to increase the salary so that she could then get appointed to a high paying job.

    I am not a fan of Hillary, but I have to say that this strikes me as nothing more than partisan politicking.

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    Interesting to look at WordNetDaily's columnist roster...
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/WND%20Columnists

    A veritable compendium of right wingers, most of them. Just so you know I know.

    About that article: it is clearly written, too clearly really. I wonder if/how they will get around it. This clause would seem to apply to anyone, even McCain if he had won.
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    and just when you thought that Machiavelli was dead ...



    (snip)"(CNN) -- After eight years as senator from New York, Hillary Clinton is trading places, moving from Congress to the incoming administration.

    On Monday, President-elect Barack Obama announced that he asked his former rival to be his secretary of state.

    That means the scramble begins to replace Clinton on Capitol Hill. Among those mentioned to take her seat as New York's junior senator is her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

    At a news conference in Chicago, Illinois, on Monday, after Obama announced her selection, Clinton said she wanted to "thank my fellow New Yorkers who have, for eight years, given me the joy of a job I love with the opportunity to work on issues I care deeply, in a state that I cherish."

    Clinton added that "leaving the Senate is very difficult for me."

    The task of choosing a successor falls to David Paterson, New York's Democratic governor. Whomever he picks would serve for two years, before a special election in November 2010 to decide who fills the last two years of Clinton's term.

    "Paterson has said he would prefer someone from upstate New York, or a woman or an Hispanic candidate," Rothenberg said.

    As for some of the more unconventional picks, Rothenberg said Paterson could "try to make a splash with a big name like Robert Kennedy Jr." or a "quirky interesting pick" of someone like Caroline Kennedy, who is not a politician.

    But some are suggesting the former president should take his wife's seat.

    In an op-ed column last week in The Washington Post, journalists Karl Meyer and Shareen Blair Brysac urged Paterson to "send Bill Clinton to the Senate."

    If that happened, Clinton would become the third former president to go from the White House to Capitol Hill.

    President John Quincy Adams lost his re-election bid in 1828. Two years later he returned to Washington after winning election as a congressman from his home state of Massachusetts. He served in the House of Representatives until his death in 1848.

    President Andrew Johnson also served as a Senator from Tennessee in 1875, 7 years after the Senate acquitted him of impeachment charges. He died a few months after taking office.

    Bill Clinton would bring gravitas to the job, and he obviously knows his way around Washington."(snip)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    "Paterson has said he would prefer someone from upstate New York, or a woman or an Hispanic candidate," Rothenberg said.
    Am I alone in finding the above statement as offensive?

    Interesting that they might draw Bill 'back into the ring', so to speak. That is something that deserves watching ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    Interesting to look at WordNetDaily's columnist roster...
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/WND%20Columnists

    A veritable compendium of right wingers, most of them. Just so you know I know.

    Abpouit that article: it is clearly written, too clearly really. I wonder if/how they will get around it. This clause would seem to apply to anyone, even McCain if he had won.

    No different than all the left-wingers on the roster of CNN, CBS, etc..

    WND broke the Clinton- Chinese nationals (improper bribin.....campaign contributions) debacle, as well as many more that the left (and Fox), were not willing to investigate/ report. I had been a fan since they came out, but I have seen a 'conspiracy' type mentality and it's a site I go to less often.
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    It's just news media speculation, Mel. Wake me when they start talking business.

    No different than all the left-wingers on the roster of CNN, CBS, etc..
    Except that the readers of this post may NOT know that. And that's why I informed them. Did you notice that? I did not denigrate it, just informed, as per my social 'duty'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post

    Bwahahahahahaha! World net daily is a tabloid! ie; not based in fact. You might as well listen to Alex Jones or other conspiracy theory entertainment sources for all the "real" information that is there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    WND broke the Clinton- Chinese nationals (improper bribin.....campaign contributions) debacle, as well as many more that the left (and Fox), were not willing to investigate/ report. I had been a fan since they came out, but I have seen a 'conspiracy' type mentality and it's a site I go to less often.
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    Except that the readers of this post may NOT know that. And that's why I informed them. Did you notice that? I did not denigrate it, just informed, as per my social 'duty'.[/quote]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Bwahahahahahaha! World net daily is a tabloid! ie; not based in fact. You might as well listen to Alex Jones or other conspiracy theory entertainment sources for all the "real" information that is there.

    If you notice I used the word HAD in my post, and then I elaborated a lttle about their 'paranoia' posing.

    Most people don't believe CNN, CBS, etc. are lefties, but they are quick to point out the righties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Bwahahahahahaha! World net daily is a tabloid! ie; not based in fact.

    I was waiting for someone to come right out and speak the truth about that so called source. I thought about doing it myself but I've been a little hard on the site conservatives lately so I refrained.

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    I've noted it before, as well as a few other strongly biased site links.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

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    I heard over the weekend that Hillary is technically ineligible to be SOS. Something in the constitution about senators who vote pay raises for executive branch positions being ineligible to sit in those positions. She voted for a pay raise 4 years ago for that position. I doubt anyone will object to her appointment on those grounds though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    I heard over the weekend that Hillary is technically ineligible to be SOS. Something in the constitution about senators who vote pay raises for executive branch positions being ineligible to sit in those positions. She voted for a pay raise 4 years ago for that position. I doubt anyone will object to her appointment on those grounds though.
    I believe there is a thread around here that discusses just that topic.

    The actual wording should prevent her appointment, but, if like past presidents, Obama only allows her the previous pay rate ... there should be no problem.

    The intent is to prevent 'padding' the position before moving into it ... obviously not the case here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus View Post
    I believe there is a thread around here that discusses just that topic.
    Narcissus
    Or just check out post #31 in this thread.
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    I Told You So; I Told You So

    While Obama seems intent on appointing her and Bill has apparently covered his tracks sufficiently to release the names of the contributors to his Library and Foundation, Hillary just can't help herself. In an effort to reduce her outstanding campaign debt, she is selling tickets to fundraisers touting herself as the "future Secretary of State" AND as someone who just missed getting the Democrat nomination for President, "this time" = her words.

    First, she is literally "selling" herself and her Cabinet position inviting all kinds of conflicts of interest between and among those buying tickets to her fundraiser and foreign lobbying interests and Americans with overseas interests. Then she has to keep her hand in about running again for President. Just what Obama and the country needs.

    As for appointing a successor, there is another "family feud " brewing between the Kennedys and the Cuomos. Andrew Cuomo wants to be appointed. So does Caroline Kennedy. Cuomo's divorce from Kerry Kennedy was particularly nasty and public and left a LOT of bad blood on both sides. Look for Governor Patterson to select a compromise choice - former Senator Bob Kerrey now President of The New School. Insiders say Kerrey would jump at the chance to leave TNS and go back to the Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Snark View Post
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    She'll take it in spite of the lowered salary.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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