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    AP article here.

    So far has Bush has blown the hell out of the middle east, has destroyed American credit, has ravaged the military, has run up historically high debt and deficits, has presided over not one, not two but three recessions, has seen the stock market crash and crash again, allowed the American infrastructure to fall into serious disrepair, ignored the health care crisis resulting in 47 million Americans with out health care, has effectively undermined public education, outsourced just about every decent blue collar job, incarcerated the largest number of people on the planet of any nation, scrapped the Geneva convention (used torture), and now-

    Of the few remaining industries we have left in the US (finance, auto manufacturing and construction) he has managed to just about destroy as well, with poor policy decisions (or ignoring the problems completely!).

    I suppose he is trying to go for utter destruction of the United States by allowing strip mining in our national parks, as well as rolling back pollution standards to the 1970's levels for many very dirty industries like mining and energy production.

    Who the hell elected this jerk?


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    ^^^ this is absolutely true. Republican efforts to rein in 'subprime' lending standards went into the dumper immediately after they were proposed ... as soon as democrats and mainstream US media ( AP among them) started levelling accustions against republicans that tightening 'subprime' lending standards was a 'racist' proposal that would selectively deny credit to blacks and hispanics !!!

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    Yeah, blame Bush for everything. There were warnings going back to 2003, but if you read the article, it says institutions fought against regulations. Congress is the one that really has to approve laws, even the presidents plans.

    Infrastructure being his fault....bwahahaha. What did Clinton do? There were reports about it all during his administration.

    Health care was an issue during Clinton's terms too. What did he do? nada. And it was an issue before him.

    Undermined public education.... bwahahaha It has been crumpling since the Federal govt first got involved.

    Outsourcing was going on before Bush even got into office.

    So we should bend over for any nation that may be offended? Other nations offend me, especially when France helped the murderous rampagers in Rwanda. When are they going to bend over?

    Information extraction teqhniques are not necessarily torture. And if you want to use the Geneva Convention, terrorists are not even afforded its provisions.

    lol so it's Bush's fault the Big 3 over leveraged themselves. If I recall, it was during Clinton's terms when oil shot down to 9 bucks a barrel. Why did the Big 3 only focus on SUVs?

    Finance. lol The Enron type stuff was going on during the Clinton administration, it was found out during Bushs.

    Strip mining our parks has gone on longer than Bush has been alive.

    Do you actually believe your hype? If yes, sad indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post

    I suppose he is trying to go for utter destruction of the United States by allowing strip mining in our national parks, as well as rolling back pollution standards to the 1970's levels for many very dirty industries like mining and energy production.

    Who the hell elected this jerk?
    Well considering he is one of those "End Times" Christians it is not that out of the realm of possibility that he has absolutely been trying for utter destruction.

    As for who elected him, my opinion is it was a bunch of fucking idiots, ALOT of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy in the Sky View Post
    Well considering he is one of those "End Times" Christians it is not that out of the realm of possibility that he has absolutely been trying for utter destruction.

    As for who elected him, my opinion is it was a bunch of fucking idiots, ALOT of them.
    More idiots voted for nObama, aye.
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    I blame Rush Limbaugh.

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    ^^^ and I blame Jean Chretien !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    Yeah, blame Bush for everything. There were warnings going back to 2003, but if you read the article, it says institutions fought against regulations. Congress is the one that really has to approve laws, even the presidents plans.
    Well, duh! Of course institutions fought against regulation. No one wants their party crashed by the cops.

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    Infrastructure being his fault....bwahahaha. What did Clinton do? There were reports about it all during his administration.
    Clinton hasn't been president since 2000. You act like Clinton has been in charge for the last 8 years.

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    Health care was an issue during Clinton's terms too. What did he do? nada. And it was an issue before him.
    Yeah, It was crazy how Clinton ignored the Health care crisis, wasn't it?

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    Undermined public education.... bwahahaha It has been crumpling since the Federal govt first got involved.
    except for the 1940's-1980's when we had the best educated population on the planet.

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    Outsourcing was going on before Bush even got into office.
    Bush elevated outsourcing to an art form. Think about it, Bush outsourced the ARMY in a time of war.

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    So we should bend over for any nation that may be offended? Other nations offend me, especially when France helped the murderous rampagers in Rwanda. When are they going to bend over?
    America is not the world's police force. America agreed a long time ago to treat enemy combatants with dignity (George Washington began that tradition).

    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    Information extraction teqhniques are not necessarily torture. And if you want to use the Geneva Convention, terrorists are not even afforded its provisions.
    Really? So being forced to remain in a standing position for days on end w/o food or sleep is considered humane treatment? I dare you to try it on your employees next time they get out of line.

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    lol so it's Bush's fault the Big 3 over leveraged themselves. If I recall, it was during Clinton's terms when oil shot down to 9 bucks a barrel. Why did the Big 3 only focus on SUVs?
    Yes. Ignorance and inaction is not responsible leadership. Inaction is the opposite of leadership.


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    Finance. lol The Enron type stuff was going on during the Clinton administration, it was found out during Bushs.

    Strip mining our parks has gone on longer than Bush has been alive.

    Do you actually believe your hype? If yes, sad indeed.

    Sooooo...Bush's failures are Clinton's fault?

    Do I actually believe the FACTS and the reality of the world today? Absolutely. The 9/11 attacks (warnings ignored by Bush) are not "my hype", it really happened. The economic crisis is not "my hype" it really happened. The fact that NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION were found in Iraq, really happened.

    Hype insinuates that a mountain was made of a mole hill. Point to one thing in this thread that didn't happen, or was grossly exaggerated.

    Even Bush himself has said that he was unprepared to be commander in chief to Charlie Gibson this week.


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    Sooooo...Bush's failures are Clinton's fault?
    I said they had been going on even before Clinton. durrr

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    Do I actually believe the FACTS and the reality of the world today? Absolutely. The 9/11 attacks (warnings ignored by Bush) are not "my hype", it really happened. The economic crisis is not "my hype" it really happened. The fact that NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION were found in Iraq, really happened.
    After 9/11, Bush acted. After 03/93, Clinton didn't act. As a result, more terrorists have been killed since 9/11, then between 03.93 and 9/11.

    The economic crisis did not just come up. Do you remember in the 90's when FMac and FMae had a crisis? And then they set up a PAC to pay off both sides, and set a grassroots campaign to avoid further regulations that allowed them to run rampant.

    Iraq violated the terms of their Cease Fire Agreement from day one. 1991 to 2003. How long to let them continue?

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    Hype insinuates that a mountain was made of a mole hill. Point to one thing in this thread that didn't happen, or was grossly exaggerated.
    Just like blaming Bush for all the ills of the world.

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    Even Bush himself has said that he was unprepared to be commander in chief to Charlie Gibson this week.
    At least he served in the military. What would that mean for draft dodging yellow belly coward Clinton? Even more unprepared, and he even said he loathed the military.

    Besides a General/ Admiral, who really is prepared to be Commander-in-Chief?
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    It is a well known fact that a certain percentage of any human population has a personality trait that is referred to as having an authoritarian personality also known as authoritarian complex. That number varies between 20-30% of the general population. These people often can also be characterized by anti-intellectualism.

    The Authoritarian Complex creates followers of charismatic religious cult founders as well as dangerous political leaders, despite evidence that following such dangerous leaders is less than wise.

    Hence the reason why Bush's popularity hasn't dropped below the 20% mark. People with Authoritarian Complex are distinguished by their fierce loyalty to their leader, and can see no imperfections in the person they have chosen to follow.

    It is this exact personality characteristic that Orwell focused on in his novel 1984. If Big Brother says 2+2=5, the authoritarian complex will agree readily despite ample evidence to the contrary. The existence of this personality complex is why so many dangerous cult leaders were able to exist in the first place.

    Here in this forum, we just call them sheeple. They seem very un-democratic.


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    Actually, a sheeple describes anyone who blindly follows.

    I accept your 20-30% figure.

    I am a conservative, however, I am not a republican. And no, I would never vote or be a democrat.

    Now, let's look at the flip side of your argument: Why did nObama get elected? Why is the 'democratic free world' full of leftist controlled govts? Because there are more lefties, who cannot accept the reality of their failed ideology when you analyze it objectively. They have all failed, in every place it has been instituted. But look at the majority of the lefties, despite fact and truth, they hold on to their failed ideology.

    You wanna talk about the blind leading the blind? That's the Democratic party to a tee. 99% losers.

    ohhh, and the lefties have killed more innocent people than the righties. Yeah, go point your finger at the righties and remember that while you are finger pointing, your side has been doing even worse things.

    http://www.libertymind.com/

    And let me end with this quote: If you are 20 and not a liberal, youve got no heart; but if you are 30 and not a conservative, you've go no brain.

    I've never had a heart, but have always had (and still have) a brain. ohh, and go look at the stats, conservatives are more generous donating. You dumbasses actually think a govt program is charity. What a fucked up way of thinking the lefties have.
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    ^

    That quote fails to take into account that people mostly vote in their own interests. At 20, most people are served best by policies that suit students and low-wage workers. By 30 and beyond, more people are higher earners (and maybe even employers themselves) and are thus best served by policies that minimise tax. It has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with self-interest.

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    ^^^ well, a bit of intelligence does come into the equation. There is a difference in voting for one's self-interest in the short term versus voting for one's self-interest in the longer term. The latter requires 'connecting dots', understanding that actions cause reactions etc.

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    ^

    At 20, though, you don't necessarily know whether or not you will in time become a higher earner. Plenty of people with degrees serve Big Macs.

    Also, in some cases idealism may trump self-interest. My father, for example, falls into the highest tax bracket yet is a lifelong Labor supporter for idealistic reasons, though this tends to be the exception rather than the rule. Most people in the highest tax bracket support conservative parties.

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    ^^^ I would make the argument that this clearly isn't true in regard to American 'coupon clippers' ... who heavily support liberal parties. The likely reason for this is that the 'coupon clippers' come from old money thus they have little linkage to present business climate. Instead, they recognize that liberal politician promises to increase their income taxes can be circumvented by various gov't provided tax shelters i.e. tax free muni bonds, production tax credits from alternative energy investments, or by simply making anonymous offshore investments that are off the IRS radar screen. Other popular terms for this segment of rich liberal supporters are 'limousine liberals', 'LearJet liberals' etc.

    Where 'subprime' mortgage issues are concerned, the 'coupon clippers' benefitted greatly from the high interest rates (and federal tax exemption) provided by investing in Fannie and Freddie bonds. At the same time, the 'subprime' borrowers themselves benefitted from the loan approvals and subsidized low interest rates that Fannie and Freddie made possible. As these two segments of registered voters make up two of the three key segments of Democratic support (with the third being union workers in both public and private sector), it's not surprising that Democratic politicians and Democrat leaning mainstream media made efforts to minimize the growing risk of the Freddie and Fannie subprime situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    'limousine liberals', 'LearJet liberals' etc.

    Yeap. Robert Kennedy Jr was on Hannity and Commie one night extolling the virtues of environmentalism and forcing people to fall in line. He left the show to go to a waiting lear jet to take him elsewhere.

    Another group is the entertainment group. Most probably had to 'earn' their movie role. lol How else does one explain Pretty Woman? It was a completely different script, about an old pervert. But somehow she got the script changed. Okay. I would they do it out of shame, but looking at them they have none. So maybe because they didn't get there on their own merit.

    The other issue is that I put my money where my mouth is. I believe in helping others (not political donations or donations to 'vested' groups), but it seems entertainers want to use others' money for all these programs they want, while taking benefit of tax breaks. Bono wants his government to spend more money to help others, yet he moved his publishing company out of Ireland and moved to IIRC Denmark so he could take advantage of the lower tax rate. lol Hypocridiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
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    That quote fails to take into account that people mostly vote in their own interests. At 20, most people are served best by policies that suit students and low-wage workers. By 30 and beyond, more people are higher earners (and maybe even employers themselves) and are thus best served by policies that minimise tax. It has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with self-interest.
    From a strictly personal, selfish pov, I voted AGAINST my own economic interests by voting for Obama. Or Did I ? We'll see how the economy responds to his leadership. One thing that might be helpful is a little consistecy in policy. One reason the Dow and Nasdaq are on roller coasters is because Paulson keeps changing course and the lights are off in the Oval Office until January 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Well, duh! Of course institutions fought against regulation. No one wants their party crashed by the cops.



    Clinton hasn't been president since 2000. You act like Clinton has been in charge for the last 8 years.



    Yeah, It was crazy how Clinton ignored the Health care crisis, wasn't it?



    except for the 1940's-1980's when we had the best educated population on the planet.



    Bush elevated outsourcing to an art form. Think about it, Bush outsourced the ARMY in a time of war.



    America is not the world's police force. America agreed a long time ago to treat enemy combatants with dignity (George Washington began that tradition).



    Really? So being forced to remain in a standing position for days on end w/o food or sleep is considered humane treatment? I dare you to try it on your employees next time they get out of line.



    Yes. Ignorance and inaction is not responsible leadership. Inaction is the opposite of leadership.





    Sooooo...Bush's failures are Clinton's fault?

    Do I actually believe the FACTS and the reality of the world today? Absolutely. The 9/11 attacks (warnings ignored by Bush) are not "my hype", it really happened. The economic crisis is not "my hype" it really happened. The fact that NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION were found in Iraq, really happened.

    Hype insinuates that a mountain was made of a mole hill. Point to one thing in this thread that didn't happen, or was grossly exaggerated.

    Even Bush himself has said that he was unprepared to be commander in chief to Charlie Gibson this week.
    One set of facts for everybody.

    Congress, especially Dodd and Frank squelched ANY effort to rein in Fannie and Freddie. They were in charge for the last two years and did NOTHING.

    Clinton left a few messes for Bush to clean up but nothing compared to the quagmires Bush is leaving for Obama. Nonetheless, Clinton continually dropped the ball when it came to dealing with Al Queda.

    After "Hillary's" plan couldn't even make it to a Congressional vote, Clinton ignored health care for the next seven years. So did Hillary.

    The U.S. NEVER had the best educated population. At our founding, we weren't too bad but in the 19th Century we were passed by England, Germany and several other European countries. After W.W. II we almost doubled the number of people with college degrees thanks to the G.I. Bill but public education has been
    declining steadily since the late 60's; early 70's.

    G.W. was bound by the military customs and traditions of the time to observe certain protocols in treating regular army British and Hessian prisoners. Even when the British were not always reciprocal. We abused prisoners during the Mexican War; the Civil War; The Phillipine Insurrection ( good thing we won as we committed many a War Crime ) the 1916 Mexican Punitive Expedition and even in W.W. II ; mostly with Japanese.

    The Al Queda prisoners are NOT covered by the Geneva Convention. Only the broadest definitions of "torture" encompass stern interrogation techniques although waterboarding is clearly over the line to almost everyone except for Bush and Cheney.

    Bush did NOT say that he was unprepared to be C in C although he's changed his tune on whether he'd still invade Iraq knowing what he knows now. In 2005 and 2006 he said he'd still invade even if he knew there were no WMD's. In the Gibson interview he wasn't so sure. He said that he was "not prepared for War".
    No President ever is.

    The bottom line is that Bush has been an awful President and on any objective basis he's been a failure. Consistency, perserverance and adherence to principle are all admirable qualities in a President. Especially in the face of of harsh criticism and even lack of popular support. The problem with Bush was a stubborn refusal to face facts, particularly in Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
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    That quote fails to take into account that people mostly vote in their own interests. At 20, most people are served best by policies that suit students and low-wage workers. By 30 and beyond, more people are higher earners (and maybe even employers themselves) and are thus best served by policies that minimise tax. It has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with self-interest.
    Very true and I'd like to suggest here that it is also a big part of the problem.

    When people make choices based solely on their own self interest with no consideration of the impact or the needs of others thing turn to shit real quick.

    When intelligence comes into play choices are made on the basis of balancing both the needs of others and our own self interest. Intelligent votes are made with that in mind. Ignorant votes are made with only ones own self interest in mind.

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    I didn't vote for Bush but they put him in anyways. I gave up on voting a long time ago. I've been reading alot of political history and revolutions, and one thing I've noticed is that people always wind up embracing what they sought to destroy. In 44 BC Julius Caesar was assasinated on the pretext of preserving the Roman Republic. in 30 BC Octavian becomes Emperor. The Russian revolution got rid of the Czar Nicolas II and made way for Lenin and Stalin. The French revolution gave me the biggest laugh of all. It paved the way for the biggest megalomanic the world has ever seen, nevermind the fact that he was only 5'3. The vampire Lestat has some pretty good insights into the Revolution, ironically. The bourgoise helped destroy the aristocracy, the class they wanted to join. One of hsitory's little ironies.
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    The Al Queda prisoners are NOT covered by the Geneva Convention.
    That is phenomonally wrong on so many levels but being that it is not connected to the topic of mortgages I'll leave it alone other than this response.



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    Congress, especially Dodd and Frank squelched ANY effort to rein in Fannie and Freddie.

    I'd be interested to see just how many votes regarding that matter came from Republicans on vs. Dems.

    Perhaps it's just a bit of partisanship on my part but in terms of deregulation it has always been my understanding that Republicans are the ones who on a number of different topics are the ones constantly pushing for less and less regulation. The Enron loophole is one such situation that comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy in the Sky View Post
    I'd be interested to see just how many votes regarding that matter came from Republicans on vs. Dems.

    Perhaps it's just a bit of partisanship on my part but in terms of deregulation it has always been my understanding that Republicans are the ones who on a number of different topics are the ones constantly pushing for less and less regulation. The Enron loophole is one such situation that comes to mind.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1216...n_commentaries


    While the Repubs want deregulation, it does not mean going to a free-for-all. The Dems on the other side want regulations that strangle companies.

    Also, the Enron loopholes/ accounting standards came before Bush even took over. It was found out after he go in, and even though it wasn't as quick as I would've liked, it was dealt with. It was a top down standard, Clinton lied about a budget surplus, so why not have other companies lie about their bottom line.

    If you want to se a good example of deregulation helping the country/ the people, look at the deregulation of the airline industry under Carter. Probably the only good thing from his administration.
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    Regarding banks being forced to make loans to people who could not afford to pay off the loans (subprime loans).... Several banks chose to recognize the problem and were able to avoid those risky decisions. It's not that the rest of them were too stupid to avoid the problem. Instead they figured a way to accommodate the risk with the expectation of making increased net profits. Turns out that way was even more risky. That's the part that was stupid. The Rebublican administration, in their efforts to 'reduce government' by deregulating capitalistic interests, let them develop their own Vegas-style games. The administration of many of its early years certainly had the power to change laws regarding how FM and FM were operating under; yet they didn't. Even when the obvious housing bubble indicated that things were going wrong with those laws/policies.That's their part in the stupidity.

    I have to presume this was because the Republican administration liked to play 'footises' with capitalists, who at the time were making big money. In their inattention to the rest of world economics (here oil speculation), they neglected to recognize the effect of rising prices on people's abilities to make those mortgage payments. They also forgot to keep an eye on just what those deregulated finance/bank organizations were doing in their new deregulated 'playgrounds'.

    I'm saying Bush's people had plenty of chances to observe and to change the rules. But they like to see big businesses make lots of money, regardless of the consequences to the actual workers in this country. This latter characteristic has been true for most all Republican incarnations. And its is precisely why there MUST be an opposition party. People tend to like to make enemies so they can get into little fights because it is fun. However, if the Democrats disappeared, as most of the 'conservatives' I know would appear to like, this country would become very unbalanced and would fail in just a few administrations. The truth is that overall the country NEEDS to be balanced in the longer term, and every few administations the tide needs to turn around.

    I am a Centrist and I've voted for Republicans and Democrats when it made sense at the time. I've been voting for many general elections and I've seen a lot. I believe the biggest political danger to our political system is putting idealogues in power for too long. I even believe in limiting the terms of Congress.
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    I have to presume

    Presume, assume. Same thing, and I'm sure you know the quote.
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    That is phenomonally wrong on so many levels but being that it is not connected to the topic of mortgages I'll leave it alone other than this response.






    I'd be interested to see just how many votes regarding that matter came from Republicans on vs. Dems.

    Perhaps it's just a bit of partisanship on my part but in terms of deregulation it has always been my understanding that Republicans are the ones who on a number of different topics are the ones constantly pushing for less and less regulation. The Enron loophole is one such situation that comes to mind.
    I'm sorry but facts are facts. The Geneva Convention covers POW's and the Al Queda prisoners are NOT POW's. We can line them up tomorrow and shoot them if we want to.

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